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  1. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    I really don’t know if I can put any faith in your posts if you can’t discern whether to use a colon or a semicolon. Thank goodness you weren’t the one writing the notes to the judge.
  2. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    I’d like to know, too. The note referred to “our” principles and “us”. According to the alternate juror, everything was hunky dory and kumbaya between jurors. I feel like the jury devolved into a hippie peace cult from the 70’s and no one wanted to hurt anyone’s feelings. Or, now that I...
  3. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    You may be right. However, seems like half the town was driving while intoxicated that night. I guess their moral convictions are limited.
  4. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    Did the defense team miss the mark during voir dire? We always hope that voir dire will rule out bias, prejudice, etc. How do they delve into beliefs and moral convictions to ensure an impartial jury?
  5. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    Hey, 4th of July weekend was coming up. She needed to beat the traffic to the Cape and indulge in some chowdah and lobstah! What don’t you understand? :cool:
  6. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    I keep going back to the jury note: "The deep division is not due to a lack of effort or diligence but rather a sincere adherence to our individual principles and moral convictions. To continue to deliberate would be futile and only serve to force us to compromise these deeply-held beliefs.”...
  7. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    The article below gives a decent explanation of the charges. The reports coming out state that she was found NG on counts 1 & 3 and hung on #2. https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/karen-read-verdict-watch-a-closer-look-at-the-charges-jurors-are-considering/3410287/
  8. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    Agree. Plus, since the PHD’s did study the autopsy report, they would also believe the evidence or lack thereof of additional soft tissue injuries not visible to the naked eye on the torso which would occur with a body/vehicle impact.
  9. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    Can you imagine how many pow wows are going on in Old Cape Cod this summer? They have to be very careful though because, if they change their stories to fit the narrative, they just might be looking at a perjury charge.
  10. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    They did not just “look at pictures” which seems to be an oft repeated statement here by folks who believe that John was hit by a car. The folks who prepared the report are PHD’s in their related fields. They were NOT hired by the defense to spout out opinions that would mimic what the defense...
  11. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

    This is not an either or situation. You do not have to believe the “conspiracy talk” to believe and understand that JOK was not hit by a vehicle. Physics, kinetics, science, and medicine all prove that JOK was not hit by a vehicle. The fact is we don’t know, and may never know, how JOK died...
  12. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

    He can be, but sometimes it takes a while. The police unions and bargaining agreements outline procedures which must be followed when determining punishment for a LEO who is being charged with any type of misconduct. It will also depend if he is charged with a crime vs violation of policy and...
  13. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

    It might be that but, just as likely the clan closed in. “He’s so young. It will ruin the rest of his life. Blah, blah blah.” And the cloak falls over him….
  14. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

    I respect your opinion but, I didn’t see Lally the same way you did. That’s okay because that’s one reason we got a hung jury. To me, Lally mumbled a lot and was constantly told by the judge to speak up. He shuffled around the room rifling through his yellow legal pad. He talked about the...
  15. OldCop

    MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

    I’m not sure Lally is able to jump to his feet and quickly elucidate the reason for his objection. It was like he knew to object but couldn’t come out with the proper verbiage. I think the judge knows this is and was trying to help him along.

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