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  1. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Interesting that Cora's lawyer has asked for her case not to be combined with Cole's, but Cole's lawyer made no such request.
  2. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I agree, but I think their motives for doing so will differ a bit. I think Tifany will do whatever is best for Tifany. I don't think she has any intention of taking the blame to spare the others in any way, but she will most certainly not hesitate to throw them to the wolves if it serves her...
  3. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I thought there was a McLendon (sp?) in there somewhere as well. Or maybe that was just a paternity thing? I would think after marriage #2 you would just stick with your maiden name. Elizabeth Taylor & Zsa Zsa Gabor did and they should know. Seems like it would save on paperwork.
  4. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    "Judge Jett ... also asked them to discuss if the defendants should be tried separately or all together." I would think that the prosecution will want them tried together, but that at least one of the defendants would want to go separately so they can lay the blame on the others. Of course...
  5. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I should have been more clear. I knew that all five hadn't been together in one room since the arrests, but I was wondering if any of them had seen any of the others before now. Have the Twombly's seen each other before now? or Cora and TA? or are they all still being kept completely isolated...
  6. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/medical-examiners-report-kansas-moms-case/ "At one point, nine deputies, seven defense attorneys and three prosecutors were present in the courtroom. All five defendants were also present..." I wonder if this is the first time any of the 5 has actually seen...
  7. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I don't think the official paperwork stated which of the Rickman relatives were the problem, but I seem to recall their father had some legal issues. When I first read it I didn't really think about Wrangler being the problem, but given his drug issues & criminal record you certainly could be...
  8. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I don't think TA is anyone's idea of "mother of the year" outside of her misfit friends. I was thinking the other day that TA's younger son recently changed his last name from Rickman to Adams and his stated reason was that the Rickman name had too many negative connections locally and he didn't...
  9. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    It's likely that while plenty of people believed that TA was manipulative and vindictive, and possibly feared her wrath, they likely didn't think she was actually homicidal. I would guess she had threatened all sorts of things in the past but (presumably) hadn't killed anyone. I do think Cora's...
  10. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    The most recent court filings had Cora with an attorney hired/appointed through the Indigent Legal services. She is not an attorney actually employed by the state, but rather a private attorney with the necessary DP experience who the state will pay to represent Cora.
  11. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    In addition to Wrangler's rights, there is the matter of the other charges regarding the maternal side of the family. I have no doubt TA did everything in her power to make things seem as terrible as possible, and I have concerns regarding the local therapist she chose, but the charges don't...
  12. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/suspect-kansas-moms-killings-cant-afford-attorney/ Yes, his wife relocated with their children around the time of Grice's arrest. I believe they returned to Colorado. She has indicated she knew nothing about the Misfit's plans and was not involved in the...
  13. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Do we actually know for certain that none of the other accused ever filed to revoke their citizenship? We know that the Cooks, including their adult daughters, filed their revocations the same days as Grice, so maybe the other misfits had done so as well? or planned to?
  14. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    It could also be as simple as the fact the TA's hair is long enough to braid and Cora's is not.
  15. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    So Paul Grice was not only still hanging out with the other misfits when they were getting arrested, but then goes to another friend and essentially implicates himself with his oh-so-casual questions about his DNA at the burial site and options for fleeing to Mexico?!? There should be extra...
  16. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I wouldn't put it past this group to have purchased a freezer just for this, but it's also likely that they used one that was already in their possession. Hunters and anyone who butchers their own meat (or has it done locally) would likely have a least one large freezer around, maybe more. IMO...
  17. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I would assume this would be to make sure none of the other attorneys give interviews, answer reporters asking questions outside the courthouse, etc. Three of the defendants have attorneys appointed, they are chosen through the OIDS system and likely already understand the policy of the OIDS...
  18. Rixey

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I personally think the Cooks knew what was going on, perhaps not the nitty gritty details, but the general plan. We know Cora was openly discussing it with or in front of her daughter and I can't believe that any of inner circle misfits were from similar discussions. Whether there is an proof...

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