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Absolutely disgusting that she made the appeal however glad it has been refused. I hope Neal Gray and his family are able to somehow move on from this and that Ellie's sister is doing well it is such a travesty the whole story and how Judge Hogg can sleep at night I do not know.

Just saw this update :( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39001788

I have read the appeal has been approved......:facepalm: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-38029170

I followed the Poppi Worthington case too, it was terribly tragic that mistake after mistake happened and now another similar story. I assume this new case with Craig Beattie was held in relation to other children now in care ? This then reported today , another mum & dad arrested on...

This may be random but I did wonder from the start how were the text messages found. Where they kept on their phones or were the deleted but recovered? Does it seem possible without their evidence it would have been harder to convict? Very good point, along with the 11 visits allowed while...

Thank you to everyone who has shared links and information , I have read the full two threads and the full judgements all linked ( on my phone which has taken some time ! ). This has really affected me as having young children I cannot understand these monsters and find it interesting /...