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But then he’d actually have to be responsible for them. Too much work and not enough time to play you know? :rolleyes: (Hoping that’s an eye roll)

I agree. IMO I also think she won’t admit to knowing he did it because then she’d have to take the public scrutiny of “being responsible” for raising someone “like that”. If she SAYS she thinks Shannan did it then she can keep her perfect parent image (Hilarious irony given the image she’s...

I have no idea why my reply came out like this but my original comment is the second paragraph! Sorry!

Thank you. My previous thoughts EXACTY, even if expressed differently. I guess I should have said “a partial motive” rather then “indirectly responsible” but other then that I stand by my OPINION. Also, why she felt the need to specifically say she “barely knew him” stood out to me. If you’re...

Okay, I can accept this, this all sounds plausible. But for whatever reason (personal experience, too much tv, too many Twinkie’s) I can’t comfortably call her a 100% victim...your response gets a 100% though!

We have the gift of polished intuition, I’d say we’re right. I also feel she was there or was seen by CW during Shannan’s business trip...this helped seal his decision. And his loathing of the family life, he saw exactly what it would be like to have the girls in “his own apartment”. A lot of...

Comments like this one (and the NAU with all her annoying intuition and friendship one, which I’m STILL laughing at btw) make me wish I could have you all over for Christmas dinner... lol damn... ETA ...and I totally WOULD have you all over buttt, I’d need to meet your mothers first

Me too. I was only blessed with girls so I’m speaking from a place of ignorance but I’ve always felt it was a result of a poor relationship with the father/husband. They’re getting their emotional needs met through the male child and the father/husband is stuck in a mindset of jealousy and...

She probably felt even more threatened/replaced, especially as they were girls (and Shannan’s at that). She’s clearly the narcissist I assumed she was but I’m actually shocked at just how personality disordered she appears to be. Most people would have the good sense to at least pretend to have...

Strong, unbiased AND an inspiration. You got lucky ...Happy for you. See you around!

K not sure what happened there lol but what I said was, that could not have been easy for her. Especially back then when we women had even less space to feel empowered. Your MIL is my kind of woman!

There’s a big part of me that feels that the friends have hugely downplayed the knowledge of AP or her suspicions. Particularly NAU. They were extremely close so I believe she’s heard a lot of “bitching” as well as defeated tears. But she’s such a loyal friend (as all of Shannan’s friends...

Yup...”and now look at what that little witch made him do, my boy was perfectly fine until SHE came along...” that history sure does likes repeating itself!

That’s how I remembered it too. It was posted in a support group for parents of children with nut allergies. The comments by SW in that group can be found online. ...As I said in another post serious SP mom vibes from Mrs.Watts. Disdain for the outspoken, NATURALLY charming, bubbly DIL who...

I believe it happened too! I also believe this incident is helping fuel her reported doubt in her son’s guilt (on top of being his mother). She probably in her own way felt like Shan’ann deserved it...IMO!!! I’m really not trying to paint an ugly picture of a victim in their own right buttt I’m...

Great response! You took my abstract thought and made it ALL the way comprehensible... “annihilating his family, however, is still linked to the way he thinks, not the mood”. Amen.

My ex fooled me too. Turns out he just wanted to be able to “prove” (when I left him, cause he knew I eventually would grow tired of his ways) that he wasn’t a manipulative narcissist and I was just a “psycho *advertiser censored*” because why would I have posted all those sweet pictures, allowed the syrupy...

In regards to your comment about Ted Bundy’s eyes and how they had “that” gleam, but then you appeared to doubt yourself so said “tons” of people have it...I am more inclined to agree with your first thought that there’s something to be said about it. Especially after cases like this. Where the...

“When NAU came along with all of her annoying intuition and friendship” you KNOW this is exactly how he feels about her/the situation (and what went wrong). What a sick pig... Also, thank you for the laugh, that line is so true it’s comical..