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That's just an example of something dramatic and sudden. I think they disappeared in one day, and haven't been found for 50 years.

Is the 'plans for lunch with other girls' a known fact in terms of their plans? Because it's also possible that was a cover story to give them time with NOT other girls after the mall. Could one or them OD'd and the whole thing is a panicked coverup rather than an intentional criminal act? It's...

I'd agree with sold-into-prostitution victims having a hard time reaching out. But I think of these and other 'kept' victims as either having no one actively looking for them in the first place, having a language barrier, and/or extraordinary cases like Jaycee Dugard. But I agree if they were...

Meaning they died another day, or are still potentially alive?

Ah. But what about straight up facts i.e., "Rachel's sister is named ..."?

And if the girls weren't killed, they were...sold? And were either unsuccessful in trying or NEVER tried to contact someone, even 50 years later? If multiple families AND LE were involved (or complacent) I find it next to impossible no one cracked. Or at the very least came across something and...

This thread could benefit from a permanent one-pager with cast of characters, locations, and a multi-family tree forest. I think I've seen more than one before, but as the years go by, they wade into the rehashing.

That makes sense. But the leap to killing her seems a big one. Esp if TT wasn't involved. To kill the other two says to me it wasn't planned, at least that day, and Rachel was supposed to be taken care of on her own. So...there must have been an urgency that overrode Renee and Julie being there...

So, is it generally thought that Rachel's parents wanted her out of the picture? And why is that reason strong enough to likely kill two other girls, unless they were collateral damage?

And that's where LE might look first as well. I don't mean immediately, the car may have been somewhere else initially.

You might find the heavier focus on the mind of the killer in the original interesting: The Vanishing (1988) "Spoorloos"

In a case with these circumstances, she'd need to be declared legally dead to officially (albeit rhetorically) deem her not alive - thereby freeing her assets, starting probate and other legal situations where her estate is in limbo. Her family trying to declare her a 9/11 victim isn't...

I'm talking about Sr., not Jr.

Yes, obviously. I was stating it, not opining on anyone's rights.

I will see if I can find it.

If members of LE were involved, IMO it was after the fact - in either a cover up or muddling of facts. I don't think the 'drugs gone wrong' would happen if Julie was there. Of course, it's possible as I've mentioned that Julie was in the car waiting outside at a location that Rachel and Julie...

And since the MM threads started there has been the issue of at least one property owner in the vicinity not allowing access to searches.

I'd forgotten this detail. Do we know the age of the child? Because if Tommy had supposedly been dropped off by Rachel at work and was w/o a car, and Rachel was en route to get Renee, or Julie, or had both and was on the way to the A/N store...who was watching the child? If no one was, I can see...

So frustrating in this case is who (actually) saw what, and wasn't just an alibi, mistaken or flat out lying.

True. And if the car was planted there, it was by someone who knew they had plans for the mall. If it was planted, it also wasn't by someone who was concerned about any hair or prints left behind. So either someone not yet in the system, a pro at a wipe down, or a person whose hair or prints in...