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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    I appreciate your point, but one purpose will be served. It is much more likely that it will lead to community outrage which will result in the parole system being overhauled. As I mentioned before I don't have a problem with the parole system where it relates to property theft. It's good to...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    Newtown in Sydney was pretty similar. And it was a good place to live when I was young, but you always needed to have your wits about you at night. Some of these inner city suburbs used to be the wealthy areas of our expanding young cities at one time. They go through cycles. Newtown is a...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

    I think I understand what you are saying. It's usually in areas where there is still some relatively cheap accommodation available, often privately run boarding houses. People need to be able to live somewhere, or they end up living on the streets. It is a major problem for government housing...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    Sadly, the do-gooders believe prison is about rehabilitation for everybody convicted of a crime no matter what the crime. I am firmly on the left of Australian politics, but I still think that prison is about punishment when the crimes are against innocent victims. And the system is too...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    Sorry, but Jones is hardly credible. He's a bigot IMO. Hinch though has some runs on the board for being outspoken and credible at the same time.
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    Thanks to everyone how replied. So the perp could have gone to his home first thing after the abduction, and rendezvous with others was set-up. IMO. I don't wish to speculate further at this stage, but I was the support person for woman who survived a similar "set-up". But my own experience...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    Thank you. Would it be usual in such cases that the perp had a "deadly" weapon? I'm just wondering how a person could be abducted otherwise and be so intimidated they would not scream out. Or do such offenders use persuasion and charm? Sorry, if this sounds stupid, but they are genuine...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    I think many of us, myself included, have learnt a lot from the WS moderation. It is the rules they use that make it such a credible site.
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    I'm curious about this point as well, and without being specific to this case, I'd like to ask a general question. It is "standard" MO in these types of cases for the perp to act alone? I ask because I generally don't read any criminology or related books, and first got interested in WS...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    Not sure how similar Brunswick and Newtown are. They may look to be similar like all suburbs that undergo gentrification. As an ex-Sydney University student who lived in Newtown for 12 years, I know it was as rough as guts when I first moved there. It was full of cheap pubs and Friday and...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    Agree totally Doc. Just like with Bayden-Clay, I feared, and was angry about it, that all the discussion of domestic violence was going to hand him a manslaughter charge. When I thought: Innocent until proven guilty, but if guilty it was premeditated murder.
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    No serious criminal history could mean anything, I guess. But it suggests to me that he was already known to the police, perhaps for more minor crimes or at least has been a suspect previously. MOO.
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    Wonderful news. I really hope she is still alive. My gut feeling tells me that the police have it right. They knew who they wanted.
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #2

    This is a great logical point. Thank you! Two options, car or no car. With the no car scenario you would expect that Jill's body would have been found during the search (sorry, it's a sickening thought) or she is being held in a house quite close by. Her body wasn't found in the...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

    I think that is pretty close to what she thought. I think it was what everybody would have thought in the situation. We are by and large culturally conditioned not to over-react, be cool, etc, and doubt your natural instincts.
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

    That's the way I saw it too. One of things I've noticed from past experience is that busy streets like this late at night do get sudden gaps in foot traffic. There are people way up ahead and people way back, but the people you were walking with - you don't know them, but they are heading home...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

    Lots of interesting sleuthing today. I've watched the video a few times and it does seem that blue hoodie was looking for someone to put the bite on - money or just generally harass. I agree with others who have said that Jill looks like she is moving back and trying to keep a safe distance...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

    I don't find it odd that she rang her brother on the way home at that time. I see people walking down the street all the time with their mobile phones glued to their ear. I can imagine that she was walking home and suddenly thought "*advertiser censored*, I promised to ring my brother and see how dad was."...
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    GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

    The timeline appears to be critical. Some one did one before. Has it been updated? I'm presuming that the big question here is that we don't actually know when Jill went missing. Did she actually go home? Find her husband wasn't there and go looking for him, thinking perhaps that she was...

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