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  1. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Actually, I've been thinking the opposite. I think these charging documents are terribly flawed in that they throw W-1 under the bus and, even worse, make the unnecessary conclusion that the crime "required" more than one person. This is like candy for the defense team. Now the defense can...
  2. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    I don't know, but my guess that he didn't want to talk about the red bag for the same reason he decided not to leave the money in the bag. Instead, he switched the money to a manila envelope, which would be more businesslike. The red bag, by contrast, was very unbusinesslike. Maybe he didn't...
  3. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    C'mon. From the affidavit: "The other employee took four bundles of money from the employee's pockets and placed the money in a red bag which belonged to W-1." So ... drumroll ... if W-1 happens to have a red bag (later described as a "red lined bag") in his car, he's "in on it"? I don't know...
  4. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    You are conflating morality with sanity. Wint knows that it's wrong to kill people, but doesn't care about the wrongness of killing people from a moral or empathetic perspective. It's not a "problem" for him in that way. However, it is a problem for him if he kills these people and is caught, or...
  5. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Sometimes in cases you know things without direct evidence, but rather as a reflection of other direct evidence. Direct evidence: a silent night. Reflection: "the dog that didn't bark." The direct evidence here includes: - 4 people killed in a house which is then set on fire - Report in...
  6. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    No. The charging document states that "W-1 admitted the text was accurate and [W-1] made a mistake about when [W-1] was first told to get the package." The "lie" was about handling the money: "W-1 admitted that [W-1] had lied when [W-1] stated the money was in a manila envelope when [W-1]...
  7. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    About a week ago, someone posted a theory here as to why Philip was burned alive instead of being killed like the adults. Countering the prevailing sentiment that Wint hated Philip, this person had the idea that Wint couldn't stomach taking Philip's life with his own hands. Instead, he did the...
  8. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Excellent post! You've outlined a very plausible reason for that "lie." As for the lie about handling the cash, we already have two plausible reasons - namely, his embarrassment about having texted pictures of the cash to his gf, and also wanting to distance himself from a transaction that...
  9. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Right, in fact this is exactly one benefit to come from this case for my wife and me. We've agreed that if she ever needs to communicate that she's in danger, she will use my full name instead of my short name. (Example: Daniel vs Dan.) We came up with this because it's so easy to remember and...
  10. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Right, everyone has a different history. I was given a plaque for what I did in a tough situation many years ago. At the same time, my wife has nicknamed me Call for Backup because I'm forever critiquing how various people respond to danger, usually in TV dramas and movies. It takes no time to...
  11. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Excellent response. An audible house alarm with a call for help, taking no time at all, while surprising Wint. You've just convinced me of the value of such an alarm with remote on the keys in your hand as you walk in the door.
  12. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    As a second answer to your same post ... I've revised what I think I would want to do in that situation. I still think it makes sense to head for the door, yelling "I'm calling 911!" However, once that call has been made (20 - 30 seconds outside), I'd do more than merely yell in the front door...
  13. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    This also feels emotionally correct. I anticipated that a mother might be willing to risk her own life, but not her child's life. Unfortunately, that's not good enough. I think Wint threatened the boy all along, and controlled the parents through the boy. This leads to a terrible calculus...
  14. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    See, this is what I feel as well emotionally, as the husband in that situation. I have a commitment and a fierce desire to protect my wife and child against all harm. I am responsible for their safety. So, heading for the door, while the right logical decision (IMO), might be an unforgivable act...
  15. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    True: we don't know whether Wint would slit Philip's throat in that situation. But, as a man, I want to ask you and other women in this forum a question. Would you forgive your husband if he fled out the front door calling 911 in that moment, and then your son had his throat slit in response...
  16. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    To the last point, I don't think so. I don't see an adult man wanting to take on another adult man in his own house, with merely the element of surprise in his favor. Any husband should have sensed something was "off" and come in with caution, anyway. I think Wint had the women tied up...
  17. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Time enough, but that would be irrational. Think this through: SS escapes yelling "I'm calling 911!" This turns the tables on Wint, who is now trapped in a house with typically 2 exits in addition to the garage. SS is now effectively "guarding" the front door. Wint can't know whether SS will...
  18. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    But this is factually false, by outcome. There was no possible worse outcome. Therefore the strategy was wrong. My question is, what would the best strategy have been? Even from the first moment walking in the door? Even if there were 10 bad guys in the house, SS was still on the phone. There...
  19. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    Adding to my prior reply .... SS's coolness under fire, honed as a successful CEO and even in motorsports, turned out not to be an asset in this situation. We know Philip was screaming, and we know that Wint didn't trust either of the women to be on the phone, other than AS briefly with...
  20. J

    DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #7

    As the hired driver, JW may have had an opener with him to help with jockeying cars when needed, or knowledge of a garage door code. TexMex and I debated this earlier. TexMex wrote: I found the conference-call bit persuasive. I replied: This was following the theory that SS directed W-1 to...

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