Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #13

Spinnaker said:

This article has previously been posted by Meticulously (link below).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11/page75

Raising it again as find the below statement interesting and feel that it perhaps warrants further thought.

As stated in the attached article "Inspector Ferguson said that there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found. They were still being examined but did not appear to belong to Miss Rimmer".

It has been reported that JR was found without any clothes, however it appears that from this article that clothing was indeed found at the site. If this is the case, who did the clothing and items belong to?

As we are aware, there were some items missing also from both JR & CG.

Would be interested in people's thoughts on this.

We could also consider the Kimono, did this perhaps belong to a previous victim and the MO is to take clothing to another attack, Just a thought.

All of the above IMO.

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Canning Vale said:

The clothing is certainly worth more discussion. Prior to the 1988 break-in, a local reported clothing missing from their clothesline. My thoughts were that he used large objects of clothing to disguise fingerprints whilst opening doors etc (that's only IMO)

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Spinnaker said:

This article has previously been posted by Meticulously (link below).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11/page75

Raising it again as find the below statement interesting and feel that it perhaps warrants further thought.

As stated in the attached article "Inspector Ferguson said that there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found. They were still being examined but did not appear to belong to Miss Rimmer".

It has been reported that JR was found without any clothes, however it appears that from this article that clothing was indeed found at the site. If this is the case, who did the clothing and items belong to?

As we are aware, there were some items missing also from both JR & CG.

Would be interested in people's thoughts on this.

We could also consider the Kimono, did this perhaps belong to a previous victim and the MO is to take clothing to another attack, Just a thought.

All of the above IMO.

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JoWa said:

The kimono bothers me too, if they showed it in the media at the time everyone would have seen it.

So some pervert steals your clothes and tried to rape someone, you would come forward, right?

So why wouldn't someone come forward? Maybe it was owned by someone who wanted to protect BRE. Don't know if he has a sister, but maybe it's his mothers.

Maybe they aren't old victims clothing, but he is dressing them as someone he knows. IMO

Or he's a cross dresser.


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Spinnaker said:

Is it possible that the items of clothing found with JR as mentioned below and referred to in above article belongs to the victim of the KK attack? (Note just stating a personal thought, not fact).

"Inspector Ferguson said that there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found. They were still being examined but did not appear to belong to Miss Rimmer".

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Canning Vale said:

The kimono was shown in the paper (about 1988). At the time, the police thought it was in relation to a murder in Leonard St, Victoria Park, but another perpetrator was imprisoned for that crime.

If he's a cross-dresser he'd need large clothing - evidently he's about 6ft 2".

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Spinnaker said:

This article has previously been posted by Meticulously (link below).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11/page75

Raising it again as find the below statement interesting and feel that it perhaps warrants further thought.

As stated in the attached article "Inspector Ferguson said that there had been several items of clothing and a pair of shoes found. They were still being examined but did not appear to belong to Miss Rimmer".

It has been reported that JR was found without any clothes, however it appears that from this article that clothing was indeed found at the site. If this is the case, who did the clothing and items belong to?

As we are aware, there were some items missing also from both JR & CG.

Would be interested in people's thoughts on this.

We could also consider the Kimono, did this perhaps belong to a previous victim and the MO is to take clothing to another attack, Just a thought.

All of the above IMO.

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DaleCooper said:

No, no compensation.

As for proof: first, the police can't charge someone without evidence. Second, the strength of the Crown case is relevant to bail - even on serious charges where there is a presumption against bail, if the Crown case is weak, this improves the prospect of bail. Third, regardless of whether the accused gets bail, the matter has to go to a committal hearing - a trial before the trial to test the evidence. If a person is committed to stand trial following this hearing, you can be assured that there is substantial evidence against them.

I'd be pretty confident the police have their guy here. They have forensic evidence for a start.

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MyLeftFoot said:

But was his first wife living with him in 1988? Did she even know him back then?

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Spooks-R-Us said:

More of my Wellard pics taken at D-site and southern end of Woolcoot Rd.

Like I mentioned in my post above, there was much rubbish and evidence of partying and bonfires.

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Eaglette said:

That newspaper report^ had me agreeing with the comments "unable to locate a body" in swampy/creek type areas due to the thick vegetation. There was one such swampy area down near the Canning River near the train line. As a matter of fact a woman's remains were located there - approx. 20 years after she went missing (Mrs Thomas). Police had even searched this creek/area as the woman was seen nearby - at the time of her going "missing". On finding her remains - they came to the conclusion there was no foul-play, however, it makes me wonder if they couldn't find her in the 1970's - they certainly had trouble in these types of swampy areas e.g. near O'dell Street and Spring Road, Thornlie (suburb next to Huntingdale). We played along the rail line and played "chicken" with the trains on the bridge (poor train drivers!) My primary school years were spent down by that swampy area in the '70's and we all enjoyed the popular game of "spin the bottle" in Grade 5 - and; we were oblivious to the danger and; of what could lie nearby!

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Spinnaker said:

Thanks Spooks, quite a mess and disrespectful.

I guess the question is whether it was like this 20+ years ago - I doubt it, as housing did not go too far North at that point. This would be interesting to look at.


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Canning Vale said:

I remember when the body was discovered. I thought it was fairly close to housing.

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Spooks-R-Us said:

Hey Spin I answered your question in post with first lot of my Wellard pics.

Yes - the area was the same 21 years ago. I asked someone that grew up in Wellard, and that person said there was always rubbish around and parties happening at southern end of Woolcoot Rd.

The train line is adjacent to the bonfire spot and I'm guessing the locals probably also played chicken with the trains.

The noise of passing trains would have drowned out any party shenanigans, or nefarious noise from SK activities.

The CSK obviously didn't abide by the top message on this sign.... "Do the Right Thing".

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Spooks-R-Us said:

Yes it was - small hobby farm area - so quite close

Not as remote as Pipidinny Rd

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JoWa said:

My proposed scenario is that BRE had a habit of walking about in the dark and a fetish for wearing female clothing on top of his own clothing. As reported he saw the kimono on a line and took it on the night. The Kimono looks quite large and it would only need to fit where it touched. In an aroused state he has seen an opportunity to indecently assault a young woman and probably cleaned himself up with the kimono before dropping it during his get away.

I suspect that SS is somewhere in Wellard and so would CG have been except with the finding of JR the killer couldn't risk leaving another body there as it would now be under surveillance.

Despite there being dumping of trash, parties and bonfires no one knew that JR was there and they wouldn't know if SS was there. Maybe Dt Ferguson's gut feeling is right again.

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