2009.11.19 Defense Files Motion suggesting Kronk as Killer #4

[jade78]

There are approximately 100 to 130 abductions by strangers every year in the US. In 2001 the FBI documented 93 cases of abduction by strangers. Relative to the amount of abductions committed yearly in the US, abduction by stranger is rare. However, it is possible. So simply because RK did not know Caylee or any of the A’s, this does not automatically exclude him as the abductor. It is unlikely, yes, but it is also unlikely that a mother would murder her own child.
RK made multiple inconsistent statements to police (some consider this to be lying). RK was 100% certain he saw a skull on Aug 11th that was likely Caylee’s. He had the opportunity on aug 13th to prove it to officer Cain, but chose not too. Although he was 100% certain he waited 120 days to finally beyond any doubt discover the remains. RK allegedly told his son he knew where Caylee’s remains were, and that he was going to be on tv. Although he was not partying for those 120 days while Caylee’s remains were continuing to deteriorate, he was relaxing at home, watching NG, out buying a new car, reconnecting with his family, and he did all this with the 100% certainty that Caylee’s remains were still laying in the woods. He did not bring the police to a non existent nanny’s apartment, but he did bring officer Cain to a spot where he is 50 percent sure was the same spot, the skull he was 100% sure of was ultimately found. Nothing was found there at that time, nor was it found for another 120 days. The point I am making is that we are dealing with a circumstantial case. These circumstances are suspicious. When you add these to the testimony provided in the motion by the defense, well, it makes me wonder about RK.
This may all be spaghetti thrown at the wall by the defense, but it is sticky enough that when the judge rules on the motion whether or not to allow RK’s prior bad acts that he will have a lot to consider. As always my entire post is moo.

I totally agree.
Personally I do not hail Roy Kronk as This SUPER HERO!
He left poor Caylee sitting there for 120 extra days.
If I had stumbled on the scene and I am sure if any of you did.....I would of walked right back there with the officer and said it is right here!

I have many questions about Mr.Kronk.

 

[LambChop]

I totally agree.
Personally I do not hail Roy Kronk as This SUPER HERO!
He left poor Caylee sitting there for 120 extra days.
If I had stumbled on the scene and I am sure if any of you did.....I would of walked right back there with the officer and said it is right here!

I have many questions about Mr.Kronk.

Very true. I have questions, too. Because of RK's behavior not pushing the officer to let him go back and look at the site together does not go along with the behavior his ex-wife reported about his agressive personality. But then I believe if we really look at this situation it should be the officer who we would be questioning. He clearly had no intention of looking seriously for what RK described. Plus the fact that KC dated a number of men from LE, JG for one and the another officer so why would are we not looking at this person. Did this officer ever meet KC? It appears he did not investigate properly and what was his motivation. The officer is certainly not a suspect and WAS investigated by LE but if you seriously want to consider others, his actions would also be suspect and I would say more so than RK. Killers just don't go back and find the body. Bodies are found by ordinary people not people who always live the perfect life with the white picket fence around the house. JMO

 

[jade78]

Very true. I have questions, too. Because of RK's behavior not pushing the officer to let him go back and look at the site together does not go along with the behavior his ex-wife reported about his agressive personality. But then I believe if we really look at this situation it should be the officer who we would be questioning. He clearly had no intention of looking seriously for what RK described. Plus the fact that KC dated a number of men from LE, JG for one and the another officer so why would are we not looking at this person. Did this officer ever meet KC? It appears he did not investigate properly and what was his motivation. The officer is certainly not a suspect and WAS investigated by LE but if you seriously want to consider others, his actions would also be suspect and I would say more so than RK. Killers just don't go back and find the body. Bodies are found by ordinary people not people who always live the perfect life with the white picket fence around the house. JMO

That is not exactly right.
Many times the actual killer has been known to partake in actual search for missing persons.
The Shania case tells me killers often tell others were they disposed of body,hence why Shania was found so soon.

 

[LambChop]

That is not exactly right.
Many times the actual killer has been known to partake in actual search for missing persons.
The Shania case tells me killers often tell others were they disposed of body,hence why Shania was found so soon.

But they rarely find the body and continue to insist that they have found the body by trying to get LE to investigate what they just found unless they have some psychological disorder. LE often looks at searchers or those who show up a pray meetings. Plus mother's put their child close to home....someone else would have put her where she would never be found and there is plenty of water in that area. JMO

 

[jade78]

But they rarely find the body and continue to insist that they have found the body by trying to get LE to investigate what they just found unless they have some psychological disorder. LE often looks at searchers or those who show up a pray meetings. Plus mother's put their child close to home....someone else would have put her where she would never be found and there is plenty of water in that area. JMO

Here is the only way I can sum this up.
Roy Kronk says he thought Caylee could be there because" Casey Said CAYLEE WAS CLOSE TO HOME".
Well the first time we the public heard this qoute from Casey was July 29 ,2008 I believe ,this was phone call to Lee .{give or take a day or so}

Roy Kronks First call to 911 August 11,2008
Which means it took Kronk about 2 weeks times or less depending on when he first REALLY went into those woods,to find Caylee.
Now remember hundreds of searchers and dogs had been in that area...So Roy old boy in that short span of time did what hundreds of searchers and trained dogs could not accomplish? I think not!

 

[LambChop]

Here is the only way I can sum this up.
Roy Kronk says he thought Caylee could be there because" Casey Said CAYLEE WAS CLOSE TO HOME".
Well the first time we the public heard this qoute from Casey was July 29 ,2008 I believe ,this was phone call to Lee .{give or take a day or so}

Roy Kronks First call to 911 August 11,2008
Which means it took Kronk about 2 weeks times or less depending on when he first REALLY went into those woods,to find Caylee.
Now remember hundreds of searchers and dogs had been in that area...So Roy old boy in that short span of time did what hundreds of searchers and trained dogs could not accomplish? I think not!

It was his first day on the job working in that area. He discovered the body while he was on the job. He was not part of any search group, nor did he know that he would be assigned to that area on that particular day on June 16th when Caylee went missing. Most people who stumble on a body are not looking for a body. We all heard that video when while KC was in jail and we all thought the same thing, that she was giving her parents a clue, which turned out to be true. There is no reason to believe RK had anything to do with the death of Caylee and defense's motion is baseless. I still do not know why anyone is questioning RK when KC's stories have so many holes in it that you could drive a truck through it. Plus I believe we are straying OT here.

 

[Turnadot]

It was his first day on the job working in that area. He discovered the body while he was on the job. He was not part of any search group, nor did he know that he would be assigned to that area on that particular day on June 16th when Caylee went missing. Most people who stumble on a body are not looking for a body. We all heard that video when while KC was in jail and we all thought the same thing, that she was giving her parents a clue, which turned out to be true. There is no reason to believe RK had anything to do with the death of Caylee and defense's motion is baseless. I still do not know why anyone is questioning RK when KC's stories have so many holes in it that you could drive a truck through it. Plus I believe we are straying OT here.

Well said, and I have to be done with this thread because I feel like it's going in circles. As soon as Baez&CO, or LE produces actual evidence that Kronk is a viable suspect in Caylee's death, it's all 'maybe this' and 'perhaps that' based on Kronk being a bit of a shady character, according to his ex-wives.

One does not have to do such with KC. There is no maybe, here, imo. The facts are laid before us, we do not have to guess at what her involvement is.

Even of Kronk knew that poor Caylee was there for 120 days, it's sick, but irrelevant because he did not kill that poor baby then toss her out to rot; KC did.

As for as the many questions some private citizens may have for Kronk - - too bad, imo. Sinner, saint, hero, - there's not a shred of evidence that makes him a viable suspect in Caylee's murder and our curiosity as to why Kronk did X,Y, or Z, isn't going to be answered unless LE has probable cause to think he had something to do with what happened to Caylee. So far, it's a no go, and for good reason, imo: Caylee's killer didn't report her missing for 31 days, lied, lied and lied some more, and partied her tail off, now she is awaiting trial.

 

[jade78]

It was his first day on the job working in that area. He discovered the body while he was on the job. He was not part of any search group, nor did he know that he would be assigned to that area on that particular day on June 16th when Caylee went missing. Most people who stumble on a body are not looking for a body. We all heard that video when while KC was in jail and we all thought the same thing, that she was giving her parents a clue, which turned out to be true. There is no reason to believe RK had anything to do with the death of Caylee and defense's motion is baseless. I still do not know why anyone is questioning RK when KC's stories have so many holes in it that you could drive a truck through it. Plus I believe we are straying OT here.

Kronk has said he was looking in those woods for Caylee because Casey said "close to home"
He did not just stumble upon her going to the bathroom.

here is exact day Casey saying that was released.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17017382/detail.html

Says July 28th

So how in just 14 days did Kronk do what FBI - LE - cadaver dogs and Texas equa search could not?

 

[BeanE]

What's the topic of this thread please?

 

[LambChop]

The fact is he was working. He has a timesheet and an assignment for that area. There were also other people with him. It was not his child and he did not have possession of her at any time. KC did and so far the last information is that KC was the last person to see her child alive. That is a fact. There is no nanny. That is a fact. If KC had said I feel she is right down the street lying in a ditch someone else may have found her but she did not say specifically where she was. If you can acknowledge KC saying she's close why would you even consider that someone other than KC knew exactly where her daughter was. RK was working, what was KC's excuse for knowing the location of her daughter??????

We need to get back O/T?

 

[BeanE]

The jury will be instructed to look at the defense's alternative explanations for what is reasonable, logical, and more highly likely to be true than untrue, as compared to the state's explanation of what happened. The jury will be instructed to use their common sense in doing this, and that they are to accept as an alternative explanation only what they find to be reasonable, logical, etc.

Based on that, I think it's somewhat possible, but highly improbable, that any juror would accept what the defense contends in this motion, or what notthatsmart contends in his mountain post, as alternative explanations.

The motion is without merit.

MOO

 

[RR0004]

Respectfully nothatsmart, whether any of these things that you call a "Mountain of circumstantial evidence against K being involved" rise to the level of even a tiny mole hill is really a matter of individual perception rather than anything resembling hard and fast facts against RK...at least IMHO anway.
I see it as nothing more than JB grasping at straws..and I believe any jury would too...

Curious...mountain of evidence against RK being involved...isn't that saying he isn't? At least that's what it means to me.

 

[RR0004]

I have a question I loved to ask Kronk!
If he and his buddy's had the thoughts of taking pictures of the DEAD SNAKE,why did they not take pictures of what Kronk says he seen numerous times!
so many question.....

I think seeing the snake scared him off from going any further into the woods...but that's just my take.

 

[RR0004]

Kronk has said he was looking in those woods for Caylee because Casey said "close to home"
He did not just stumble upon her going to the bathroom.

here is exact day Casey saying that was released.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17017382/detail.html

Says July 28th

So how in just 14 days did Kronk do what FBI - LE - cadaver dogs and Texas equa search could not?

I also never believed the bathroom story (entirely)...I think he definitely was going by his gut feelings and what he thought he had seen earlier. He was earnestly searching in my opinion...and didn't want it to be known he was doing so on company time. I would think that LE has investigated him...especially to rule out any ties he may have had to DC who was videotaped not that far from the site just weeks earlier.

 

[Novice Seeker]

Well said, and I have to be done with this thread because I feel like it's going in circles. As soon as Baez&CO, or LE produces actual evidence that Kronk is a viable suspect in Caylee's death, it's all 'maybe this' and 'perhaps that' based on Kronk being a bit of a shady character, according to his ex-wives.

One does not have to do such with KC. There is no maybe, here, imo. The facts are laid before us, we do not have to guess at what her involvement is.

Even of Kronk knew that poor Caylee was there for 120 days, it's sick, but irrelevant because he did not kill that poor baby then toss her out to rot; KC did.

As for as the many questions some private citizens may have for Kronk - - too bad, imo. Sinner, saint, hero, - there's not a shred of evidence that makes him a viable suspect in Caylee's murder and our curiosity as to why Kronk did X,Y, or Z, isn't going to be answered unless LE has probable cause to think he had something to do with what happened to Caylee. So far, it's a no go, and for good reason, imo: Caylee's killer didn't report her missing for 31 days, lied, lied and lied some more, and partied her tail off, now she is awaiting trial.

:clap: I'm right behind you. IMO BY discussing how RK may be considered a suspect in a crime he did not commit, invading his privacy makes us NO BETTER than Baez, Lyon, KC, George, Cindy and Brad.

Novice Seeker

 

[notthatsmart]

If I were to stumble upon a body in the woods, I would expect Le to fully investigate me. I commend them for that. It is their job and it certainly will give the SA an edge over any defense for the actual perp. I do not believe this will deter people from searching. Most people realize that it is our responsibility to do our part in society withing reason.

 

[RR0004]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon aquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here.
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too.
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

Yea!!! I'm proud of you NTS!! You did it...links and all.

OK...I'm just gonna deal with some of your points...FWIW, associating JW with any argument is tantamount to losing said argument. (IMHO) The "child screaming" incident accounts for nothing...but a child screaming (in a neighborhood on edge). And EVERYONE was trying to keep the defense from their phone records (think JG, AL, etal.). It's a matter of course.

Stll proud of you...understand your need to see JB's motion work out...but highly doubt it will.

PS- whatever happened with your other possible suspect?

 

[RR0004]

If I were to stumble upon a body in the woods, I would expect Le to fully investigate me. I commend them for that. It is their job and it certainly will give the SA an edge over any defense for the actual perp. I do not believe this will deter people from searching. Most people realize that it is our responsibility to do our part in society withing reason.

I have to disagree with you here. I think it does more harm than good. I'd think twice now and I have a squeaky clean past.

 

[RR0004]

Kronk has said he was looking in those woods for Caylee because Casey said "close to home"
He did not just stumble upon her going to the bathroom.

here is exact day Casey saying that was released.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17017382/detail.html

Says July 28th

So how in just 14 days did Kronk do what FBI - LE - cadaver dogs and Texas equa search could not?

Everyone is entitled to their opinions...but I just have to say THANK G-D HE DID!!

At anytime, Casey could have spoken up and told LE where Caylee was...but from Day 31 she never said a word. Saving herself, reducing her child to bones as a result, prevented Caylee from receiving the dignified burial she so very much deserved. This motion is a slap on Caylee's memory. I understand that it's the defense's attempt to save their client from the DP, but at least come up with something plausible. Thank G-d RK found the remains. He allowed the family to bring this precious child home.

 

[Just Jayla]

There are approximately 100 to 130 abductions by strangers every year in the US. In 2001 the FBI documented 93 cases of abduction by strangers. Relative to the amount of abductions committed yearly in the US, abduction by stranger is rare. However, it is possible. So simply because RK did not know Caylee or any of the A’s, this does not automatically exclude him as the abductor. It is unlikely, yes, but it is also unlikely that a mother would murder her own child.
RK made multiple inconsistent statements to police (some consider this to be lying). RK was 100% certain he saw a skull on Aug 11th that was likely Caylee’s. He had the opportunity on aug 13th to prove it to officer Cain, but chose not too. Although he was 100% certain he waited 120 days to finally beyond any doubt discover the remains. RK allegedly told his son he knew where Caylee’s remains were, and that he was going to be on tv. Although he was not partying for those 120 days while Caylee’s remains were continuing to deteriorate, he was relaxing at home, watching NG, out buying a new car, reconnecting with his family, and he did all this with the 100% certainty that Caylee’s remains were still laying in the woods. He did not bring the police to a non existent nanny’s apartment, but he did bring officer Cain to a spot where he is 50 percent sure was the same spot, the skull he was 100% sure of was ultimately found. Nothing was found there at that time, nor was it found for another 120 days. The point I am making is that we are dealing with a circumstantial case. These circumstances are suspicious. When you add these to the testimony provided in the motion by the defense, well, it makes me wonder about RK.
This may all be spaghetti thrown at the wall by the defense, but it is sticky enough that when the judge rules on the motion whether or not to allow RK’s prior bad acts that he will have a lot to consider. As always my entire post is moo.

Carefully considering your points...You stated above that just because RK does not know the A's, that he still could have done it-True, but then, so could many people. The power company meter reader, a pedophile in the neighborhood, the guy from the computer store that had a thing for KC's looks, the teenagers that found the old bomb at the remains site, Keith W......
...I know that was not your main sticking point, but I have to point out anyway that this is not thick enough for me to even begin suspecting Roy.

In regards to Roy's behavior: Even the superficially nicest person in the world has the capability of being uncaring and selfish. It is uncaring and selfish for Roy not to have thrown an almighty fit and had 20 cops out there looking for that body, if he really felt it was there. It was uncaring and selfish for him to worry more about the money in the end, for him to stay away from the site for months because he really was not trying to wade in water or muck. It's uncaring and selfish to want to be on TV when a little 2 year old is dead.

But it's the real world. There are lots of things about lots of people in this case, aside from KC, that are uncaring and selfish-RM is selfish, Kio was selfish, BrittanyS and so on....everyone who sold their story had their own self interests in mind. Richard Cain was very uncaring and self-serving. And LE looks at this behavior, I am certain. But without evidence to tie RK or any of these other people into it, it's a waste of time and tax payer money (selfishness and self-preservation on behalf of the taxpayers?).

JG, the least selfish in all of this, is the one who can most easily be tied to Caylee's person, to her recent whereabouts when she died, had a more viable motive, and left the state after this happened. And RK is their suspect? not makin sense to me (and I don't think JG did anything wrong, just makin a point).