2009.11.19 Defense Files Motion suggesting Kronk as Killer #4

[Pondering Mind]

Bold one: Of course they do, this is a fact finding mission. That is why they are so confident. This motion was very bold. You know, be careful what you wish for. They are not afraid of the truth, or they wouldn't be making motions like this.

Bold two: 235000.00 is a lot of money. Perhaps the perp was willing to share.

Just speculating here and all of just my opinion.

NTS, no offense.. but I had to chuckle at the "confident defense" in your post. It's just so interesting that you see confidence and I see grasping/desperation. Of course we can agree to disagree, but I do just have a couple of questions if you don't mind.

In your theory IF your 'perp' was after the reward, why do you suppose that he was not more more persistent in his calls to LE to report what he saw?

Also in one post you were questioning RK actions and inconsistencies..and I was wondering if you have already been able to make sense of KC's? (of course I'm assuming since your focus is on RK that you have been able to clear her in your mind) and if so would you share? (in the appropriate thread of course) TIA!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Let's look at this from a rational POV for a brief moment. IMO the reason the A family would want the body found would be to attempt to create the impression that SODDI OR the more likely reason...IMO......to get rid of it and make sure it was never tied to their daughter. Remember the outrage at the A family NOT SEARCHING?????? They didn't want to risk connecting the body to KC.......but all those minions that had that could "fly under the radar" could have been at the ready to make sure that body was never discovered. Now....back to the motion.

 

[notthatsmart]

Surely you're not saying there was no smell? People complained of the smell coming from Dahmer's home for some time.

And he only froze small portions of some of his victims. The bulk of their bodies he used chemicals and acid to boil down and then flushed the mush down the drain. Other large body parts he put in sealed barrels.

It stunk.

I know this is off topic, but I believe his freezer broke down and thats how the smell came about. Animal clinics freeze their dead animals. This is nothing new. You could easily freeze a body just like meat and preserve it. MOO

Mods, sorry for being off topic. Won't discuss Dahmer anymore.

 

[flourish]

I know this is off topic, but I believe his freezer broke down and thats how the smell came about. Animal clinics freeze their dead animals. This is nothing new. You could easily freeze a body just like meat and preserve it. MOO

Mods, sorry for being off topic. Won't discuss Dahmer anymore.

bolded by me, for emphasis

(Sigh) So you got a link or anything whatsoever to back that statement up?

ETA: Oh, I see, there's a "MOO" after it. It's my opinion that your opinion would be more convincing if there were some evidence behind it.

 

[notthatsmart]

Fact finding mission ? How many other people have they tried to pin this on before Roy ? Which one is the real killer ? Doesn't it take away from the defenses claim, that Roy K. was involved, when they have said basically the same about many others ?

This motion was very bold, I will admit that.

The defense is afraid of the truth and that is why they are writing motions such as this.

I am not here to defend the defense. I am not aware of other motions claiming others as being involved. I am here to get the whole truth for Caylee. I think the motion to point to Rk being involved and having circumstantial evidence pointing to that is brilliant. The judge will have to address this motion and take it seriously. Its not just Ca making a claim, its a legal motion.

 

[BeanE]

I know this is off topic, but I believe his freezer broke down and thats how the smell came about. Animal clinics freeze their dead animals. This is nothing new. You could easily freeze a body just like meat and preserve it. MOO

Mods, sorry for being off topic. Won't discuss Dahmer anymore.

Back on topic. Do you have anything whatever that's factual that would support Kronk having put Caylee in a freezer for months? Anything at all?

 

[flourish]

Back on topic. Do you have anything whatever that's factual that would support Kronk having put Caylee in a freezer for months? Anything at all?

Makes me wonder if the bones wouldn't hold some sort of trace of being frozen for a period of time...?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Let's look at this from a rational POV for a brief moment. IMO the reason the A family would want the body found would be to attempt to create the impression that SODDI OR the more likely reason...IMO......to get rid of it and make sure it was never tied to their daughter. Remember the outrage at the A family NOT SEARCHING?????? They didn't want to risk connecting the body to KC.......but all those minions that had that could "fly under the radar" could have been at the ready to make sure that body was never discovered. Now....back to the motion.

adding my opinion.......
Agree with all you said. The only other reason I can see is that Cindy seemed meticulous and needed to control her world. *IF* she knew Baby Caylee was in those woods, she or someone on the 'team' might have sent out the word in hopes of getting back what was 'rightfully theirs' before Fay hit. But, that didn't happen and word was out but even control freaks can't control mother nature and they then had to wait. Sure would be hard to explain why you were diving in the woods and just happened to find a body. :waitasec: :waitasec:

 

[BeanE]

I am not here to defend the defense. I am not aware of other motions claiming others as being involved. I am here to get the whole truth for Caylee. I think the motion to point to Rk being involved and having circumstantial evidence pointing to that is brilliant. The judge will have to address this motion and take it seriously. Its not just Ca making a claim, its a legal motion.

Anyone can file a 'legal motion'. You can. I can. And it can say anything at all. And a judge has to consider it and answer it.

Have you seen the two totally incoherent 'legal motions' filed for this case by that nutcase that files motions in cases across the country?

And yes, this motion is Casey making a claim - "Comes now the defendant".

 

[Just Jayla]

I am not here to defend the defense. I am not aware of other motions claiming others as being involved. I am here to get the whole truth for Caylee. I think the motion to point to Rk being involved and having circumstantial evidence pointing to that is brilliant. The judge will have to address this motion and take it seriously. Its not just Ca making a claim, its a legal motion.

What is the circumstantial evidence you write of? I know there are inadmissable stories, and statements from RK that are not really evidence (though they shed light on his not so altruistic character), I am just wondering what circumstantial evidence ties him that would be a solid enough foundation for this motion...
Maybe the defense picked RK because they know this is a soft spot for the state-Their own officer flubbed the calls, and the state was obviously not as prepared to eliminate RK as they were to eliminate JG.
But I don't see that the defense has actual circumstantial evidence against Roy.

 

[BeanE]

Makes me wonder if the bones wouldn't hold some sort of trace of being frozen for a period of time...?

I'm not an expert, but from what I've read and understand, there wouldn't have been adipocere on the bones as there was.

 

[notthatsmart]

NTS, no offense.. but I had to chuckle at the "confident defense" in your post. It's just so interesting that you see confidence and I see grasping/desperation. Of course we can agree to disagree, but I do just have a couple of questions if you don't mind.

In your theory IF your 'perp' was after the reward, why do you suppose that he was not more more persistent in his calls to LE to report what he saw?

Also in one post you were questioning RK actions and inconsistencies..and I was wondering if you have already been able to make sense of KC's? (of course I'm assuming since your focus is on RK that you have been able to clear her in your mind) and if so would you share? (in the appropriate thread of course) TIA!

Bold one: I believe he was persistent in his calls. (3 calls that we know of)
I found it disturbing that he was not persistent once the police arrived on the scene.

Bold two: I am concerned about Kc's lies and inconsistencies. Most of the Lies and inconsistencies came from the interrogation out at Universal Studios. In that interview, they were all under the misconception that Caylee was last seen on June 9th. I am sure she was confused as well. Not sure you can prove someone lied when you were talking about a false date.

But your right, this thread is about Rk and his inconsistencies. We can't get to the truth of the matter if we flood it with a different part of the case.

All they have to do is investigate to clear up any inconsistencies. The SA should be confident and go ahead with a full investigation. That would clear up this whole mess and point the finger back to Kc. With this in the way, they can't keep their eye on the ball.

 

[Just Jayla]

Anyone can file a 'legal motion'. You can. I can. And it can say anything at all. And a judge has to consider it and answer it.

Have you seen the two totally incoherent 'legal motions' filed for this case by that nutcase that files motions in cases across the country?

And yes, this motion is Casey making a claim - "Comes now the defendant".

I've had to file on a Rule to show cause on missed interrogatories three times for the same defendant....and he never shows, the judge never issues a capias-In some cases, you can motion, summons, and beg the court until you are blue in the face, doesn't a judgement make.

 

[notthatsmart]

Anyone can file a 'legal motion'. You can. I can. And it can say anything at all. And a judge has to consider it and answer it.

Have you seen the two totally incoherent 'legal motions' filed for this case by that nutcase that files motions in cases across the country?

And yes, this motion is Casey making a claim - "Comes now the defendant".

I meant Ca as in Cindy

 

[flourish]

I'm not an expert, but from what I've read and understand, there wouldn't have been adipocere on the bones as there was.

Thank you. I'd also imagine there might be some of sort of change, or evidence of change like...molecularly or something. Obviously, science is not anything I know about.:angel:

 

[sleutherontheside]

I am not here to defend the defense. I am not aware of other motions claiming others as being involved. I am here to get the whole truth for Caylee. I think the motion to point to Rk being involved and having circumstantial evidence pointing to that is brilliant. The judge will have to address this motion and take it seriously. Its not just Ca making a claim, its a legal motion.

BBM


Brilliant is a subjective term.......the defense must exhaust ALL avenues in hopes that one sticks. I have used that term before and realized that a more appropriate term would be "clever".....perhaps even "diabolical" (where have I heard that term?) Have you read any of my info on AL and her strategy, method, routine, MO.......?? This is her plan, it's what she teaches, it's protocol. Nothing about this is brilliant...just routine. AL has said.."if you don't like it....file a motion".....YES A DIRECT QUOTE. Having attorneys and a Judge in my family, as well as my social circle......I feel confident that any of them would agree that you throw it out there because it just may work. I think that given the "desire and motive"...that the defense could file a similar motion about any number of players in this saga with other circumstantial evidence they have manipulated or interpreted to their benefit. If RK "did it"...as in killed Caylee....I'll eat my laptop. Getting the whole truth means exploring all threads and considering options in addition to SODDI.

 

[flourish]

Bold one: I believe he was persistent in his calls. (3 calls that we know of)
I found it disturbing that he was not persistent once the police arrived on the scene.

Bold two: I am concerned about Kc's lies and inconsistencies. Most of the Lies and inconsistencies came from the interrogation out at Universal Studios. In that interview, they were all under the misconception that Caylee was last seen on June 9th. I am sure she was confused as well. Not sure you can prove someone lied when you were talking about a false date.

But your right, this thread is about Rk and his inconsistencies. We can't get to the truth of the matter if we flood it with a different part of the case.

All they have to do is investigate to clear up any inconsistencies. The SA should be confident and go ahead with a full investigation. That would clear up this whole mess and point the finger back to Kc. With this in the way, they can't keep their eye on the ball.

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This was discussed a while back. In awesome forum form, I'm gonna quote myself:

My friend was recently arrested and spent two nights in jail for "interfering with a police officer," for essentially "bothering" him (obviously long story no one here really needs to hear...just suffice it to say that cops don't like to be interrupted when busy yelling at hippies).

My point? I am a law-abiding citizen whose few interactions with police officers have been positive ones. Even so, they scare the carp out of me! If I call for police assistance, and they arrive and are appraised of the situation, it would never occur to me question their assessment. Would I still call again later or on another day if I felt the need? Indeed.

So, reiterating here...I wonder how many people are keen on continuously questioning armed authority figures...I can't imagine telling a cop how to do his job gets you far...

 

[notthatsmart]

What is the circumstantial evidence you write of? I know there are inadmissable stories, and statements from RK that are not really evidence (though they shed light on his not so altruistic character), I am just wondering what circumstantial evidence ties him that would be a solid enough foundation for this motion...
Maybe the defense picked RK because they know this is a soft spot for the state-Their own officer flubbed the calls, and the state was obviously not as prepared to eliminate RK as they were to eliminate JG.
But I don't see that the defense has actual circumstantial evidence against Roy.

Well if you are a Lawyer and I am not. You would know a lot more than me. In the motion there is plenty of info that ties Rk to duct tape. There is plenty of info that shows Rk knew where the body was before he showed it to police.
There is plenty of info that shows many searched the area after Aug 11th and did not see the body. Not sure of the definition of circumstantial evidence. Maybe you could help me out? thanks

 

[christee]

Someone there did because the picture of that snake got $10,000 and it was Mr.Kronks picture.

Is there a record of Kronk being paid $10,000? I really don't know if there is...can you share your source of info plz?

 

[flourish]

Mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk being involved

1: Rk said he was 100 percent sure it was a skull he saw on Aug 11th. (If I were that sure about something so important, I would make sure the police saw what I saw.)
2: Rk said he was only 50 percent sure it was the same area. ( I have listened to the 911 tapes and looked at the dump site pics and his description of the scene doesn’t seem to fit. ) Where is the white board hanging over and where is the mowed area beyond.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


3: Rk said he had only been out there on Aug 11th, Nov 11th and Dec 11th. Yet Yuri reported upon aquiring his schedule and routes that he thought he had been out there in Sept or Oct. One of them is wrong.
4: Rk had been following the case. He said that she said she was close. He also said he waited until after Nancy Grace to Call 911. He talked to his coworkers about the case. He gave them his theory. He also told dispatch, and I quote, No! I told you she was here.
5: Rk was the meter reader. He had been in front of the Anthony home at some point.
6: Rk said I didn’t tell anyone about it because I knew there was a reward out there. Rk said you know what? Rk has to eat too.
7: Rk said he had to sell his car. (possible car crime scene with forensic evidence) If I were the police, I would find that car and look at it.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html


8: Rk tried to keep the defense from looking at his phone records.
9:Rk ex wife said first thing she thought when she heard Rk found Caylee was that he did it.
10: Rk ex wife said that Rk bound her with “duct tape”
11: Rk other ex wife said that when Rk was arrested for kidnapping, his father called her and asked her to help Rk get out of jail. She said the father said they found “duct tape” and hand cuffs in his car. Rk and “duct tape” are no strangers.
12: Rk son said that in Nov, Rk told him that he knew where the body was and he was going to be on Tv in Dec.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1120/21678734.pdf

13: On Oct 9th 2 witnesses called 911 to report a child screaming for help at 8:50 am. They pointed to the North West where the remains were found . Not sure if Rk was working there that day, but Yuri said Sept or Oct and the 11th was a Saturday and 8:50 is around the same time he found Caylee in Dec.
14 Jw said she saw a strange man in those woods between 1 and 2 pm on August 11th. Did Rk eome back after meeting with his co workers there?
This is the beginning of the mountain of circumstantial evidence of Rk being involved in this some how. He should be investigated thoroughly. Since SA complained that Jb did not give them addresses of the ex wives, I assume that to mean that they are now going to investigate RK.The mountain of circumstantial evidence is in the motion and it is very disturbing. After reading the facts I come to my opinion and this is all just my opinion.

Well if you are a Lawyer and I am not. You would know a lot more than me. In the motion there is plenty of info that ties Rk to duct tape. There is plenty of info that shows Rk knew where the body was before he showed it to police.
There is plenty of info that shows many searched the area after Aug 11th and did not see the body. Not sure of the definition of circumstantial evidence. Maybe you could help me out? thanks

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Um :waitasec:

MOO