2009.11.23 & 2009.12.10 Joy Wray Transcripts

[magic-cat]

Wow, now I'll have to go read the whole thing - thanks a lot - ha!

It's intriguing that JW has had direct contact with CA

It will be painful, but gives you a much clearer perspective on Joy...and THAT will be painful as well...

 

[denjet]

I made it through all of her interviews, taped phone calls, emails, etc, and just wow! The stories that this lady tells are amazingly unbelievable. She claims at one point to have been raped by three guards when she was once arrested. She talks about knowing the President and how they are friends and how people laugh at her when she talks about the President. She talks about her involvement and "her side of the story" and her book and about a meter reader sneaking around in the Anthonys yard and acting suspicious but that they had NOT called the authorities but would if it happened again. She talked of seeing Roy Kronk come out of the woods on August 11 and that she was unsure if she had taken his picture. She is very concerned that someone will think SHE switched dates on the "pictures" when she knows that it was the Best Buy people who would have done that. She talks of the defense physically basically stealing her camera memory card and that she did not give them permission. She talks of the defense trying to frame her and Roy Kronk and them saying she and Roy were in the woods playing with the body. And on and on like that it goes until finally it is over and you realize that if this is where the defense is getting even a shred of their "proof"? Well Casey has had it...for sure.

All I can say is LOONEY TUNES!

As crazy and delusional as Joy seems to be, she does, at times seems to know truth from lies and changes her story accordingly ... I'm not saying she doesn't believe some of her "stories" but this also is the same person who was a protester in front of the Anthonys' in the beginning and then switched sides, inserting herself into the case however she could ...

Most people who hang in trees taking pictures of people and spying on them without any kind of VALID credentials, who aren't working for LE or the Secret Service and are not even a LICENSED PI are not considered spies ... they are considered stalkers and can be arrested for it !!

I don't understand, with as many times as she's been Baker Acted why she doesn't follow doctor's orders and stay on medication ... she's obviously a paranoid schizophrenic or acts like one ... and who is taking care of those children ?? You would think she would get help and follow advice for them even if she doesn't care about herself ?? :crazy:

 

[ynotdivein]

You know how the stenographer translated when someone in the room coughs (and there was a lot of coughing!).........well instead of (cough) insert (officer rolling on floor stifling laughter) .......JMO

Sportingly BBM... We need a new "OROFSL" smilie!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Joy Wray just stated on Levi's show that the pictures she asked Best buy to erase were of her and her husband together and none of their business. Ummm Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/03/29/breaking-news-in-haleigh-cummings-caylee-anthony-c

 

[Gypsy Road]

I just heard JW on Levi's show. Co-Co pops. JMHO!

 

[Just Jayla]

I am concerned that Le did not use the crime scene photos to show that her pictures were not part of the crime scene. I am sure they took pictures one step at a time over a grid. Also, in Dec of 08 when JA interviewed Jw on scene , she gave him the photos at that time. Both him and the Fbi agent interviewed her. At the end of that interview at the end of the wood fence line, they could have simply walked into the crime scene to see if they could match the pictures up. If they did, they could have said that here in this report. But they didn't, instead they talk about a fire from 2007 and a crooked vine. I don't get it. IMO

We should keep in mind that we have seen doc dumps before that were "incomplete," but were later made whole by a second or even third release. There may be more to come. We also have to be mindful that there are some things that the FBI has not released, and they might not be compelled to release short of an order from a federal judge.
The state said they had passed 90% of the evidence they have along to the defense already. That has to mean there is not much more forthcoming, but hopefully the remainder of the discovery ties up some loose ends.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

She never did adequately explain her actions for continuing to go to the woods if she thought Caylee was alive. JA asked her that and she just danced around it.

I just finished reading the transcript of 11/23/09.

:waitasec: Did JW ever state that SHE thought Caylee was alive? JW testifies that is what the A's claimed but I don't recall her testifying that she believed Caylee was still alive.

It's seventy plus pages so maybe I've already forgotten what I read earlier in the transcript. :waitasec:

I'm Bewilda too. lolololololololololo A person. Me.

That was great!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It will be painful, but gives you a much clearer perspective on Joy...and THAT will be painful as well...

Yes some things don't add up. I'm choosing to have as much compassion for her that others' seem to have for all the other 'players' in the case that have popped up and inserted themselves or not into the case. She's passionate, that's for sure.

Joy told LE that although she doesn't find the situation funny, she thinks her jibjab video is funny. I don't think the case if funny either, but reading her interview had me laughing and wondering. :waitasec:.

One of my favorite lines - LE wanted to know if JW could give them a copy of the video she sent to the White House.
JW replied, "You guys have my computer. You can make your own."

I'm still laughing and I can't explain why. Bewilda II.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I haven't heard that she was at the last hearing but was she really at the A's to eat Thanksgiving dinner in 2008? If so, where were her kids that day? I haven't read the whole interview yet.

snipped by me.

I ran across her testimony regarding the above question - she wasn't asked about it, she conversationally mentioned that she brought the A's a pie on Thanksgiving Day and that her two children were with her. Afterward, she stopped by the area where Caylee was later found.

 

[SuziQ]

I just finished reading the transcript of 11/23/09.

:waitasec: Did JW ever state that SHE thought Caylee was alive? JW testifies that is what the A's claimed but I don't recall her testifying that she believed Caylee was still alive.

It's seventy plus pages so maybe I've already forgotten what I read earlier in the transcript. :waitasec:

I'm Bewilda too. lolololololololololo A person. Me.

That was great!

True that it's not in the transcript. But the lady walked all over Orlando yelling that Caylee is alive! And carrying a big sign that said the same thing. I think though that JW clarifies in the transcripts that Caylee is alive.....in heaven. Sheesh, JW could have saved us over a year of head scratching if she would have just finished the sentence.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It will be painful, but gives you a much clearer perspective on Joy...and THAT will be painful as well...

Yes some things don't add up. I'm choosing to have as much compassion for her that others' seem to have for all the other 'players' in the case that have popped up and inserted themselves or not into the case. She's passionate, that's for sure.

Joy told LE that although she doesn't find the situation funny, she thinks her jibjab video is funny. I don't think the case if funny either, but reading her interview had me laughing and wondering. :waitasec:.

One of my favorite lines - LE wanted to know if JW could give them a copy of the video she sent to the White House.
JW replied, "You guys have my computer. You can make your own."

I'm still laughing and I can't explain why. Bewilda II.

Excuse me, can someone please explain how I missed the details about this JW person prior to now? I can't explain it other than there are so many
layers that come up in the case - I must have just glossed over this one. :waitasec:

I just viewed several of JW's videos on You Tube and now have a bigger picture of who this person is - seems like she's doing this to keep herself
entertained and draw attention to herself.

OLG was right when she pointed out that JW feigns mental illness when it's convenient for her to do so - unbelievable. It is hard to believe she's on the witness list.

 

[logicalgirl]

Excuse me, can someone please explain how I missed the details about this JW person prior to now? I can't explain it other than there are so many
layers that come up in the case - I must have just glossed over this one. :waitasec:

I just viewed several of JW's videos on You Tube and now have a bigger picture of who this person is - seems like she's doing this to keep herself
entertained and draw attention to herself.

OLG was right when she pointed out that JW feigns mental illness when it's convenient for her to do so - unbelievable. It is hard to believe she's on the witness list.

Feigning? But she's been Baker Acted five or six times - the woman has some very serious problems - she isn't feigning IMO!:waitasec:

 

[OneLostGrl]

Excuse me, can someone please explain how I missed the details about this JW person prior to now? I can't explain it other than there are so many
layers that come up in the case - I must have just glossed over this one. :waitasec:

I just viewed several of JW's videos on You Tube and now have a bigger picture of who this person is - seems like she's doing this to keep herself
entertained and draw attention to herself.

OLG was right when she pointed out that JW feigns mental illness when it's convenient for her to do so - unbelievable. It is hard to believe she's on the witness list.

I don't think she feigns mental illness so much as feigns the extent of it. I suspect she may have Bipolar and this case gave her a purpose in life other than regular ol' boring life.. (taking care of the house and kids and that freak show of a husband she has that was busted for punching their own child!) and she threw herself into it with all she's got (maybe thinking things like-Finally something to DO, to FEEL, maybe I can make a difference?!) but she ended up a tad manic and lost her ability (or perhaps her will?) to separate herself from the story and got lost in the drama (including having a hand in the creating of it). She got a little crazy but she's of sound mind.. she is as capable of making a good decision as she is a bad one.

She's not in the grocery store acting this way... she sits in court watching the show, not showing a bit of crazy (other than normal crazy )... she's not going on the news talking about president bush blah blah. she has her children, they go to school- she must come into contact with their teachers.. She doesn't run around being crazy, having people following her, paranoid and afraid. She's running around with a video camera playing in the woods, singin' songs with her daughter on video, having birthday parties for dead children. Like a child caught up in the drama. the video of her in the yard with her kids, lighting candles for missing children? That is not the lawn of a crazy person... the whole process imo is not a thing an actively psychotic person would be capable of. So organized. The videos of her in her home- she seems to be a pretty decent housekeeper. Anyway, my point here is.. she functions in society, lives her life in a functional manner (other than normal dysfunction lol) until she comes into contact with the POlice. Then she uses her secret weapon. and comes out on top.. not having to account for a thing.

I think Joy is easily lead and easily manipulated... gets "wrapped around the finger" of anyone who gives her positive attention. Their agenda becomes her agenda. People like Cindy have a radar for people like Joy.. it's like they can smell the vulnerability and neediness.

MO

 

[OneLostGrl]

Feigning? But she's been Baker Acted five or six times - the woman has some very serious problems - she isn't feigning IMO!:waitasec:

That, she does.

 

[logicalgirl]

That, she does.

I don't know.......JW is very split - her task side - she gets it done, or has a very tidy husband. But, she certainly has an emotional rollercoaster side to her. Once she engages emotionally she gets out of control. You only have to watch her dance to see that.

A couple of websleuths have met her at court and confirmed her looniness.

 

[notthatsmart]

So far the only one I have seen say they searched before Faye is uhm, Joy...and after November 1? Well, we know several of them, Dominik Casey, James Hoover, Texas Equasearch and several private individuals...ALL those who searched with the exception of Joy Wrap, Jim H and Dominik have clearly stated the area where Caylee was ultimately found was full of water.

See the problem with that is the "area" statement is too generic. The question is, is how far from the wood line was her body found? You can clearly see in many videos that there was no water at the wood line. Dc and Jh went down into the woods and you can clearly see that their feet are not under water. I believe the searchers are clearly confused as to where her body was found JJ thought it to be 40 to 50 feet in. She was not anywhere near that far in.

I think there was a keith williams also that searched the area early. There were Tes volunteers that stated they had searched the area early. Sherriff Keven Beary stated that they had searched the area. I am sure the police searched that spot before the storm. It is just a matter of time before one of them come forward. IMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Feigning? But she's been Baker Acted five or six times - the woman has some very serious problems - she isn't feigning IMO!:waitasec:

Feigning was the wrong word to use - sorry.
She's not unaware of what she's doing imo.
During one of those phone call audios when a female friend called her, the friend said, "You're going to get in trouble." Joy replied, "I know." I guess she doesn't care? Weird.
I'm ashamed to say that I found her transcript kind of funny in spots. Maybe if I had been hearing it, I wouldn't have, depending on her tone of voice. I don't mean to say that I think it's funny to be smart alicky to LE but she did make some funny comments.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't know.......JW is very split - her task side - she gets it done, or has a very tidy husband. But, she certainly has an emotional rollercoaster side to her. Once she engages emotionally she gets out of control. You only have to watch her dance to see that.

A couple of websleuths have met her at court and confirmed her looniness.

I wonder why LE doesn't dismiss her then. :waitasec:
Do they think there's merit to something she has told them?

 

[notthatsmart]

I wonder why LE doesn't dismiss her then. :waitasec:
Do they think there's merit to something she has told them?

There are pictures, and pictures don't lie. If she has a picture of the wooded area on suburban, then that means she was indeed there searching. She appears to have the opinion that the body was not there.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't know.......JW is very split - her task side - she gets it done, or has a very tidy husband. But, she certainly has an emotional rollercoaster side to her. Once she engages emotionally she gets out of control. You only have to watch her dance to see that.

A couple of websleuths have met her at court and confirmed her looniness.

No doubt, ITA with your assessment. The "roller coaster" and over-engagment.. latching onto things with all ya got is IMO quite "normal" for untreated Bipolar. So's the not caring about getting into trouble Woe points out until the phase is gone and then it's like "Utohh WTF did I just do?!"

I'm not saying she's not sick- it's obvious this woman has mental health issues and has zero self-control in all things Caylee (or whatever she's latching onto at the moment) but it doesn't seem to effect her ability to live a semi-normal life. Raising children (though clearly she makes really bad choices when it comes to dragging them into her obsession with Caylee and someone should do something about that!), keeping a home and a marriage in tact. If she were crazy, crazy it would effect every aspect of her life- she would have no control as to where the crazy pops up.. she'd be saying this crazy paranoid stuff everywhere she went (she does her Caylee is alive, blah blah stuff everywhere she goes but she doesn't pull her crazy president bush, people are following me, psychotic type behaviors) not just once she's confronted by LE.


Psychosis (which is the part she seems to be wanting to play when LE is present) is not something you can decide what part of your life it effects. You can't shut it off when you feel like it.. it touches every part of you, every day, every moment. If this woman really felt she were being followed she would say that every chance she got- she'd probably stay away from TV camera's afraid the people out to get her will find her... she would be afraid.. because to a psychotic person it is real (think tinfoil hats etc.) Instead she takes field trips into the woods making videos for the internet, sticking her face in front of TV cameras every chance she gets, writing online blogs, contacting news sources wanting to be interviewed. She is out of control but no more-so than an addict with drug seeking behaviors (not saying she's an addict but the behaviors are the same IMO). It effects only those aspects of her life. She is addicted to the rush of drama and the attention and does whatever it takes to get it. Then uses her "crazy" to excuse her behaviors.

It seems from the interviews that the first thing she says to LE is "Do you know I have been baker acted?" (it's funny because one of the biggest issues with psychosis is that you lack insight into your state of mind. A psychotic person would believe their thoughts were real not that they are crazy.. but she seems to grasp her crazy quite well- warning LE right up front she is crazy, that she has crazy thoughts.) Then once she is called on things (pictures, videos, contact with the Anthony's) she starts playing the paranoid crazy lady who thinks she knows president bush and has people chasing her and it works because she has a documented history of mental illness. So nobody pays any mind to her lying and obsessive drama creating behaviors- it's written off as crazy talk. She needs help big time and clearly has some type of a mental illness but mental illness does not = crazy. She's far from crazy.. She has an agenda IMO.