2010.04.22 - Chelsea's Comments On Nancy Grace

[azwriter]

I wouldn't say RC's expression was "stone cold." He's a man in handcuffs, shackles and a prison uniform being transported in public in front of cameras to hear that his daughter is almost certainly dead. On camera, we get a 5-10 second glimpse. I don't believe it is possible to determine what people are thinking and feeling based on that brief observation in that circumstance. Many people, especially males, do not care for messy public emotional displays.

If Haleigh overdosed, the question would be whether it was accidental (she opened a drawer and found pills and took them), negligence (Misty and the boys were doing drugs that they left in reach of Haleigh and she took them while unsupervised), or deliberate (Misty wanted Haleigh to go to sleep for a while or Misty wanted to hurt Haleigh, for example). Ron would certainly have moral culpability just for having drugs on site with small children, but he is already morally culpable for the decision to leave the kids with Misty (as Flora Hollars pointed out very cogently last night). RC would not be legally responsible for Haleigh's death in my view, since he did leave Haleigh with a person over 18. The parents of children who were killed by babysitters, negligently or deliberately, are not prosecuted for choosing a bad sitter. Ron is already under arrest for the drug charges; I suppose it is possible for him to be charged with "endangerment," but I don't see that happening. All this, of course, follows "if Haleigh overdose."

Pittsburgh,how then does the line I bolded fit with Ron's appearance in an eary video where he falls to the ground in tears? I, and I think others here, would call that a messy public display of emotions. Perhaps you have never seen that video.
Also, Misty was 17 the night Ron left her in charge of his children. She didn't turn 18 until December, a month before her drug arrest this past January.
Just wanted to point that out for clarity.

 

[Donjeta]

Yes, Chelsea contradicts herself. Everything at first was geared towards let's paint it all as an idyll where everybody is as responsible as they come and maybe they will look at somewhere else other than anybody in our circle. But it didn't work out because some the responsible adults had to go and get themselves arrested for multiple criminal offenses. Now they admit the drug use and no doubt it still isn't the whole truth... people usually admit only to a fraction of their substance abuse.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I would like to know why LE questioned Chels for 14 hours this past weekend. http://www..com/2010/04/rope-tied-around-the-screen-door-at-ronald-cummings-trailer/ Hope it's ok to post this link. There is a video of Lindsey talking about it.

They didn't. That was an old video from months ago. The video was just to show the rope on the door at about 1:01 in the video. The close up still pictures of the rope on the door from the video also appear nearby .

Misleading, yes, but not new. This was when Lindsy was having her yard sale, way back when. The date under the video on youtube is Sept 30, 2009. Only the attached article about Grandma Hollars, the cinder blocks, and the rope are from this past weekend.

On Nancy Grace, Chelsea said they haven't been questioned lately.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Chelsea sure never mentioned pills laying around the house here: http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

snip~ As for the custody dispute, she calls it a big distraction that took the focus off finding Haleigh–and takes issue with those who accuse Ronald of being an unfit father.

“Even though we’re at odds now, because there’s a lot of stress in the family, I’m not going to lie about it,” Chelsea tells The Bald Truth. “I’ve never seen Ronald hit the kids. He’s a very good Dad, and he’s proved it. How often do you see a father get custody over a mother?”~ end snip

Does a very good Dad leave pills laying around the house? Inconsistencies....

It is not a fact that there were pills laying around the house. That is just the opinion of some people. It isn't even a fact that everyone in jail now were selling drugs at the time that Haleigh went missing. That is also just a guess.
The only one that we are sure of doing drugs at the time is Misty as she had gone on a binge with her friends right before Haleigh went missing. Everything else is just opinion or guessing. We won't know the answers until LE make some arrests.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Chelsea lost any credibility she may have had with me when she was talking about Flo Hollars like she wasn't involved with the family, and had only seen her a couple of times in 7 years, then when she started talking to Flora Hollars she immediately called her "Nanny". Everything with Chelsea isn't what she'd like us to think it is. I don't trust her.

Nanny didn't come to visit but twice in seven years, so the young people couldn't make the trip visit her? She's the grandmother who lives far away. :shakehaed: She took a tone with her right off, and then she got softer, calling her, "Nanny". I wasn't impressed with Chelsea when she was on the other night, and even less so this time. She definitely sounded like she was playing a little came called Cover Our Azzez. The audacity!

If I were LE, she & Timmy would be at the top of my list, if it weren't so crowded already. She was on the defensive from the beginning.

 

[Bobbisangel]

If Ron is dealing (a felony) and someone dies as a result of that felony and that person is your child.... Ron could very well be charged. Misty would be charged as well, most likely with negligent homicide. And I think Tommy got looped in on the clean up process. But I also think that the real reason TN was there and didn't mention she was there until late in the investigation is because she was there for clean up as well.

TN cleaned the MH imo, and that led to Misty being horribly inconsistent when she tried to describe the scene and how she moved about in it. Misty didn't do the clean up, didn't do the rearrange, so as she was asked detailed questions about it it appeared she was pulling answers out of her a@@, because she was. Frequently pulling out lies that directly contradicted the lie she had just told.

Are you saying that Ron's mother came and helped clean up and cover up the death of Haleigh? I have a hard time believing that. I don't think that any of that family know what happened to Haleigh and I think if they had known LE would have known right away. Teresa is broken hearted over Haleigh missing and especially now that LE is saying it was a homicide. I don't think she would have kept it to herself for a second if she knew anything. I also don't think that gramma or Ron know what happened. I think we will find that out when the arrests come down.

 

[Bobbisangel]

(BBM)


RE: "messy public emotional displays"

Hi pittsburghgirl,

This is not the first opportunity many of us have had to observe Ronald Cumming's demeanor. Over the past fourteen + months we've been able to observe Ronald in many different settings, for various amounts of time (with and without his knowledge, ie., undercover tapes...).

With that said; When I think of "messy public emotional displays" and Ronald, I think of the first day HaLeigh was reported missing ("someone stole my child...") and Ronald, on camera, falling to the ground ("I'd give my life for my child's back...") crying. He claims that his child was abducted; in that case, there's still a chance she's alive, especially in those initial critical hours; All hope is not gone at this time and yet, Ronald falls to the ground, making a "messy public emotional display" rather than being strong, standing up like a man, like a father whose little girl is out there somewhere counting on him to help bring her home, looking into the camera because he just may be looking into the eyes of the person or persons who stole his child; perhaps even looking into the eyes of his lost little girl who needs to know, dispite her fears, that Daddy's strong and he's coming to get/find her to bring her home.

Now, fourteen months later, his little girl has still not been recovered and he's informed by LE that the status of her disappearance is now a "homicide" - IMO, that's as hopeless as it gets - and yet, now, after hearing the most horrific news a parent could possible hear about their child, Ronald's expression shows no grief, no anguish; nothing - just the reaction or demeanor of a typical male who doesn't want to make a "messy public emotional display." While I respect your right to believe whatever you like regarding Ronald's reaction, or should I say, lack of reaction - I could not disagree more. JMHO ~

Fact, not opinion: Misty was seventeen, not eighteen at that time.

No one can even begin to guess how they will react when told that their child is missing or dead. Unless you have been in those shoes you can't possibly know how you would react. I've yet to see a parent who has been told that their child is missing or dead remain on their feet....myself included.
I don't think it is fair to judge a person's reaction to any type of horrible news about their child. People react differently and after all of this time I just wonder if Ron hadn't accepted that Haleigh was probably dead or maybe he was just numb. We have no idea what was going through his mind or the feelings he was dealing with. I just don't think it is fair to judge a person when it has to do with their child. Even though I have walked in those shoes my reaction and Rons are probably a lot different in many ways because we are two different people. Just because a person doesn't stand tall and be strong doesn't mean a thing. That is a lot of ask of any parent of a missing child when that parent has had a knife stuck through their heart.

 

[yosande]

I wouldn't say RC's expression was "stone cold." He's a man in handcuffs, shackles and a prison uniform being transported in public in front of cameras to hear that his daughter is almost certainly dead. On camera, we get a 5-10 second glimpse. I don't believe it is possible to determine what people are thinking and feeling based on that brief observation in that circumstance. Many people, especially males, do not care for messy public emotional displays.

If Haleigh overdosed, the question would be whether it was accidental (she opened a drawer and found pills and took them), negligence (Misty and the boys were doing drugs that they left in reach of Haleigh and she took them while unsupervised), or deliberate (Misty wanted Haleigh to go to sleep for a while or Misty wanted to hurt Haleigh, for example). Ron would certainly have moral culpability just for having drugs on site with small children, but he is already morally culpable for the decision to leave the kids with Misty (as Flora Hollars pointed out very cogently last night). RC would not be legally responsible for Haleigh's death in my view, since he did leave Haleigh with a person over 18. The parents of children who were killed by babysitters, negligently or deliberately, are not prosecuted for choosing a bad sitter. Ron is already under arrest for the drug charges; I suppose it is possible for him to be charged with "endangerment," but I don't see that happening. All this, of course, follows "if Haleigh overdose."

For the record, Misty had just turned 17 years old, in Dec. Two months later, Haleigh disappeared. He did not leave his children with a person over 18, or even 18. She had just turned 17, and if it would have happened 2 1/2 months previous, Misty would have been 16 years old.

Misty stated that she and Ron were living together and were a couple since Sept. when she was 16 years old. At that time, he was 24. and turned 25 when she was still 16. LE let this criminal act pass for now they said, b/c they wanted to find Haleigh. That was in Feb or 09.

moo,

 

[Emeralgem]

Are you saying that Ron's mother came and helped clean up and cover up the death of Haleigh? I have a hard time believing that. I don't think that any of that family know what happened to Haleigh and I think if they had known LE would have known right away. Teresa is broken hearted over Haleigh missing and especially now that LE is saying it was a homicide. I don't think she would have kept it to herself for a second if she knew anything. I also don't think that gramma or Ron know what happened. I think we will find that out when the arrests come down.

And IF Ron's momma and grandma aren't included in any arrests coming down something is real hinky down in Putnam County because Ron's family has been involved in the coverup since day one...JMO

 

[yosande]

Chelsea looks so different than she did a year ago, I didn't recognize her.
Now she looks like any other strung out girl in Satsuma, but a year ago, her hair was blonde, her eyes were bright, and she smiled. She was back then pointing a finger at JO as she is now, and she did confuse the issue of who the van belonged to as well.

There is likely a reason why the purposeful confusion as to who the van belonged to, but I've yet to understand why, except the family unity of disinformation flowing, because where confusion is, reason is not. The Croslins and the Cummings caused massive misinformation, and confusion at every turn, imo. and imo, they all knew what happened. Tommy was always the weakest link. We learned that in Aug of 09.
But they all knew it from the beginning. RC imo, would not have asked Tommy to help in any way, so he must have been there when whatever happened happened. just my opinion. I'm surprised he's still alive to tell the tale. moo

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

IMO, Chelsea is full of it.. She's just trying to take the heat off of Misty and the brother.
I hope nanny smacks her!

Poor Flora (is that her name?) Ms. Hollers...
She tries to do the right things and gets made an @ss out of on TV.
Of course nobody heard the tapes yet.. I'm sure they won't be released for quite a while.

 

[RoseRed]

Pittsburgh,how then does the line I bolded fit with Ron's appearance in an eary video where he falls to the ground in tears? I, and I think others here, would call that a messy public display of emotions. Perhaps you have never seen that video.
Also, Misty was 17 the night Ron left her in charge of his children. She didn't turn 18 until December, a month before her drug arrest this past January.
Just wanted to point that out for clarity.

Still does not matter as it is not against the law to have a 17 or even 16 year old babysitter. Happens all the time everywhere.

 

[chesterp]

After seeing Chelsea on NG the other night I can tell you why I think she did not call about pills laying around at Ron's. She did not call because she appears to be a user too.

In the early video's she is seen walking with MC smoking a cigarette while pregnant. I hope to God she did not do drugs as well.

Whisperer, your Avatar, is that Chelsea's new baby...lol

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I think what everyone has to really keep in mind is that all of the men in this picture have a history of violence. The Croslin brothers have arrest records all over the state of Florida from abusing their women.

If I were a woman close to them I would be careful about what I said - to avoid it.

Just sayin'.

 

[debs]

Still does not matter as it is not against the law to have a 17 or even 16 year old babysitter. Happens all the time everywhere.

Nope, it's not against the law, until you start shtupping the sitter, and from both of them, Misty was described as his girlfriend, and they talked about "their" bed.

 

[chesterp]

I think what everyone has to really keep in mind is that all of the men in this picture have a history of violence. The Croslin brothers have arrest records all over the state of Florida from abusing their women.

If I were a woman close to them I would be careful about what I said - to avoid it.

Just sayin'.

and other States that will come out in the future.

 

[elle1919]

That was way back in August though. Not recently.

Hi Grandmaj....yes that was waaa-y back in August but it reinforces something in my mind that I have felt from the beginning. Misty Croslin isn't the only one with inconsistencies, and Law Enforcement has been onto these inconsistencies since waaa-y before August, hence the 14 hour interrogation in Mass.
JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

IMO, Chelsea is full of it.. She's just trying to take the heat off of Misty and the brother.
I hope nanny smacks her!

Poor Flora (is that her name?) Ms. Hollers...
She tries to do the right things and gets made an @ss out of on TV.
Of course nobody heard the tapes yet.. I'm sure they won't be released for quite a while.

IMO Poor Flora injected herself in this mess. She continues to go on shows. If she just wanted to do the right thing, she would give LE the info and let that be that. Why the need for T.V. coverage? IMO that is not the right thing.

As far as getting made an arse on TV, she did a pretty good job of that before Chelsea called. IMO

 

[elle1919]

Misty was not 18 when Haleigh was taken and she certainly wasn't a baby sitter in Ron's little world, she was his live in underaged girlfriend. Ron was also in clear violation of the custody agreement as well, his kids were to be in the care of his mother or a 24 hour day care when he was at work. This is what he agreed to.

Whether the support of Misty was accurate or misleading, your post gives us a great example why Ronald's family would seek to support him so fervently. He was in direct violation of his custody agreement.

 

[Pensfan]

In the early video's she is seen walking with MC smoking a cigarette while pregnant. I hope to God she did not do drugs as well.

Whisperer, your Avatar, is that Chelsea's new baby...lol

This is a generational problem with these clans. The Croslin kids all have low IQs and Tommy Croslin has a "strange appearance" because their mom used drugs and alcohol during her pregnancy. ToC looks mentally retarded possibly Fetal Alcohol Syndrome IMProfessionalO. He may get a reduced sentence or escape the death penalty if his IQ is tested. Misty is probably borderline mentally retarded with an IQ in the 70s. With this IQ, can they tell right from wrong....absolutely YES.

Hellooooo Department of Children's Services? Send help now!