2010.08.17 - Croslin says she heard Haleigh Cummings attack

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I respectfully disagree.. Jo did not kill Haleigh and neither did Misty or Tommy..
They may have helped hide her body for a short period of time and Jo and Tommy may have taken her body to a certain location for Ron or someone in his family to dispose of when the time was convenient but she was not thrown in the river....JMHO..

bolded by me....I have been trying to keep up on this case here, and don't always post regularly, but I keep coming back to this opinion, and it seems, other posters, as well....that Haleigh was not buried in the river...The reason I feel so strongly about it, grandparents, and relatives, could not sleep at night KNOWING Haleigh was in the bottom of a river...They may be druggies, but not THAT cold and callous about their grandchild...
I believe this idea...She could have been put there, only temporary..IF AT ALL..then retrieved and quietly buried near TN, or the others...I also believe she was temporarily placed in the dumpster that 3 dogs "hit" on..then she was moved...again...

Now for who "done it"?????......It could have been any one of them......But my stongest thought...is....Ron...from the 911 call...

As convoluted, crazy, changing stories, and all the finger pointing going on..I do believe...this case WILL be solved...

As for this latest Misty "story"...........I believe it is........TOTAL BS!!!

She is putting up posters the next day WITH Joe.........come on!!!!
 
Misty didn't have any marks or bruises on her from any assault. The kids could have ran out or been screaming during an attack, and Tommy doesn't mention hearing any crying or screaming from a bag. In fact, he claimed that Joe came by his home, held a knife to his throat, and that he saw Haleigh in the back of the van. What a bunch of liars. Tommy was the one who was hard to wake up when the call came about Haleigh. Joe was easy to wake up, seemingly straight, and went right to the hospital to visit Hank. Why didn't Lindsey hear the pit bull barking (the one she hates so much) or hear Tommy up and about since she claims to have woken up if he so much got up to watch tv for even 30 minutes. And: Why do none of them or any of the tv shows ever mention those blankets. Haleighs blanket and the one from the window or that was taken in the van.

I remember at the very beginning of this case Misty was always in a jacket or long sleeves. There may be video of her bare arms during this time but I don't remember seeing one. She also had 3/4 length sleeves on a black shirt when she and Grandma bailed Ron out on the assault charges. If you have seen a video of her bare arms immediately following Haleigh disappearance will you point me to it please.
 
remember waaaaay back at the beginning the reports of junior saying "man in black took my sissy", JR was 3, maybe in broken kid-lish he was saying....
man---black (bag) ----took sissy

Just throwing that out there.
I've been giving your theory some serious thought, & think you might be right. To a 3 yeard old, witnessing this, what would stand out most? the clothes that the man was wearing, or what the man put his sister in? But, that doesn't make me necessarily believe Misty saw this. According to one of last night's news shows, Misty isn't sure if it was a bag or a suitcase. I think she's trying to avoid being backed into that answer, because if Haleigh is found in the opposite of what she says, she'll be caught in a BIG lie.
 
I remember at the very beginning of this case Misty was always in a jacket or long sleeves. There may be video of her bare arms during this time but I don't remember seeing one. She also had 3/4 length sleeves on a black shirt when she and Grandma bailed Ron out on the assault charges. If you have seen a video of her bare arms immediately following Haleigh disappearance will you point me to it please.
if she was bruised, it's MOO, that were left over from the beating she took, before her WBG weekend.
 
one of the few things that LE released early on, (& still), is that they had reason to believe that Misty wasn't in the trailer that night. Since they rarely go to the trouble, of releasing information, I believe that, at least at some point, Misty wasn't home. Since a neighbor heard a female scream, & then another neighbor saw her in the yard, crying on the phone, I think Misty was gone earlier in the night, & came home to find Haleigh gone. Early in the evening, it has been reported that she & Ron argued over babysitting. I think it's possible that instead of the argument being about her wanting to babysit her brother's kids, it was about her wanting her brother to babysit Ron's kids. I think it's possible that she left the kids with him anyway, or just left them alone. If Ron called Tommy, looking for Misty, & he really did go check, then he would've found the kids alone. & whatever happened happened. It seems that the cinderblocks, yellow rope, etc...can be connected to Tommy. I don't know about the bag. Tommy being responsible, could explain why this story doesn't jibe. Misty, coming home to a gone Haleigh, would've suspected Tommy, but wouldn't have known for sure, & she would've latched on to a stranger abduction theory. (at Tommy's urging, maybe). & claimed to have been asleep, (again, maybe at Tommy's urging), because to a teenager, there wouldn't be much difference, between being asleep & being gone. After they were arrested, & Tommy came up with the 'Joe did it' story, Misty's role was kept to a minimum. She was in another room, under the covers, & wasn't an actual witness. But Tommy claims to have been there for the whole thing. He explained the rocks, the rope, the disposal location, etc...It's MOO, that Misty has been repeating the story that Tommy later fed her. & this is why I think she would go along. #1, she's in deep, & knows it. She has lied & lied & lied. #2, she didn't hurt Haleigh, so that in her warped logic, makes it ok to lie about other stuff. #3, her dad has put the screws to her...threatened to move away & not visit anymore, relayed a question from Tommy, on why she hated him, claimed (at a very late date), that he was on the fishing expedition that implicates Joe, related the story of Joe stabbing his sister, & (very early in this case), made a point to verify that Misty had always been a rock solid sleeper, that wouldn't have awakened to a stranger. IMO, these things point to Hank, taking suspicion off of his kid(S), & on to other suspects. I think Hank knows where Misty was that night, so it's MOO, that Tommy is the kid he's been protecting. & one other thing, in an attempt to stay on topic. I think Misty is lieing about hearing Haleigh's attack, & Jr.'s account leads me to believe that there was no screaming Haleigh or Misty, no raging Joe, no struggle or ransacking for a gun. The house was quiet, Jr. heard the squeaky shoes, & saw the bouncing couch.
I've got no edit button, so I'll just quote my own post. Also, I wanted to add that Misty & Ron could've been arguing about her not wanting to babysit, at all. I never believed that she wanted to babysit more kids. What kind of sense would that make? Lindsey was at school, & expected Tommy to stay home, I'm sure...the kids had schedules to keep, (supposedly), & Misty was worn out. (bus stop witness).
 
IMO, LE does not want to charge Ron Cummings for this crime. I really thought that Ron Cummings would have been charged a year ago. We still to this day do not know when Ron showed up at work and when he left. We also do not know when what happened to Haleigh really happened. We do now know if Haleigh was dead prior to Ron showing up for work and then the clean up began by other people or what. IMO, the jury is still out on this.

JMO- These people would not cover for Ron at all, they didn't like him. IF they were araid of him, they would have not been at his house while he was not at home. If Ron was at work the police know this and they have al the records. I really believe that if Rons cell phone pings did not match his work hours, he would be in jail as LE usually looks at parents first.
I don't understand why LE would not want to arrest Ron? that doesn't make sense to me if he harmed his daughter? LE knows IF the kids were outside at 7pm or whatever as there are neighbors that witnessed seeing them outside and a few of them were on here talking and answering questions in the beginning of this case. It has been too long though it would be nice to have closure on this case.
 
.... and Misty woke up and seen a '3', the light on and the backdoor bricked open and tries to call Ron .... at the exact same time as Ron is arriving home around 3:25am after working overtime and stopping by the store. TN arrives too quickly when 911 is called. No-one quickly searches the immediate neighborhood and just get frustrated with LE.

I don't debate Ron was 'at werk' but it fits together too closely with the MH staging and does not map with the 'stories' or actions.

A.L.I.B.I.

well by reading your post, I remember early on that Ron had called like 20 times and they were fighting and Misty would not answer the phone so there might be a chance that Misty was lying then as she wouldn't answer and now all of a sudden she is trying to call Ron?.... it don't work for me.
TN lived really close so why wouldnt she get there fast? and also she works with dispatch the next county over so she would get the news before we would if she had the scanner on.... that doesnt concern me at all. If one of my grandkids was missing I would be there pretty fast too probably still in my jammies looking for them.
 
well by reading your post, I remember early on that Ron had called like 20 times and they were fighting and Misty would not answer the phone so there might be a chance that Misty was lying then as she wouldn't answer and now all of a sudden she is trying to call Ron?.... it don't work for me.
TN lived really close so why wouldnt she get there fast? and also she works with dispatch the next county over so she would get the news before we would if she had the scanner on.... that doesnt concern me at all. If one of my grandkids was missing I would be there pretty fast too probably still in my jammies looking for them.

That information has been sleuthed.. TN was not living close at the time and she was not employed as a dispatcher at the time Haleigh disappeared...JMO

BTW.. Last I heard it was 90 plus calls that night to Misty...
 
My biggest problem believing the latest version from Misty is that awhile ago, Ron had made a comment that the bed had never been slept in that night (was it to Cobra? I can't remember) But now we are supposed to believe that Misty cowered under the sheet with Junior, and when everything was done and over with she got up and actually made the bed before she called 911? JMO
 
My biggest problem believing the latest version from Misty is that awhile ago, Ron had made a comment that the bed had never been slept in that night (was it to Cobra? I can't remember) But now we are supposed to believe that Misty cowered under the sheet with Junior, and when everything was done and over with she got up and actually made the bed before she called 911? JMO

That does not make any sense...I agree with you...A more likely senerio would be....The home WAS straightened up and tidy to the POINT THE BEDS WERE MADE..and the door bricked...That throws Misty's story she was sleeping and awakened to find H gone...out the "window"..Surely...if Haleigh was screaming and being put into a bag..Jr hiding under the sheet could hear it to, and tell the LE..but it seems his story is..there was someone with squeaky shoes and a bouncing couch..IF he could hear shoes and a couch "bouncing"..he could surely hear his sister screaming from JO "attacking her"....PURE BS....all in my opinion.
 
My biggest problem believing the latest version from Misty is that awhile ago, Ron had made a comment that the bed had never been slept in that night (was it to Cobra? I can't remember) But now we are supposed to believe that Misty cowered under the sheet with Junior, and when everything was done and over with she got up and actually made the bed before she called 911? JMO

IF I am not mistaken that statement was made to Tim Miller and the gentleman who gave Misty the LVA test.. He may have also told Mark NeJame that story too....
 
could black bag been the "black man" little brother said he seen-just a thought

I am thinking along these lines also, I think his words were something like he saw a black man jumping on the couch, could he have seen "whomever" stuffing Hailey into a black bag? To his eyes it could have been someone black moving on the couch??? And where is this black blanket, wasn't there a mention of a blanket in the beginning of this case?
 
Miller now says that Ronald is not buying her story. We heard that differently last night right here on the show. Miller is saying that, according to Ron, she had never slept in that bed that night. That bed was still made. Nobody has been in that bed. And now -- and she is also, speaking of that thing, no, I`ve been in that bed. It would have been made if someone was -- wait a minute, I was sleeping in there. But she wasn`t. And Ron is not buying the story according to Tim Miller.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/01/ng.01.html
 
Originally Posted by sherrymurph
could black bag been the "black man" little brother said he seen-just a thought


:waitasec: What if Jr. saw something black on the couch, like maybe Haleigh?
What if she was put in a black duffel bag/suit bag and she was still alive kicking and screaming? Maybe that is why the couch was bouncing?

I sure pray that what ever Jr. saw it will not give him nightmares for the rest of his life. I pray that he is still in therapy and gets the help and healing he needs.
 
:waitasec: What if Jr. saw something black on the couch, like maybe Haleigh?
What if she was put in a black duffel bag/suit bag and she was still alive kicking and screaming? Maybe that is why the couch was bouncing?

I sure pray that what ever Jr. saw it will not give him nightmares for the rest of his life. I pray that he is still in therapy and gets the help and healing he needs.

IMO, I don't take anything Jr. allegedly says as true. If I am right and there was a cover-up and Jr. was not at the MH, I would bet that TN and/or GGma Sykes told him over and over "a man in black took sissy."

I just do not believe they would not repeat what they wanted Jr. to say over and over. Kids at that age, when they hear something enough times, will take it on as "their" memory.

I would also bet that the child pscyhologist who talked to Jr. got the truth from Jr...he was asleep and does not know.
 
JMO- These people would not cover for Ron at all, they didn't like him. IF they were araid of him, they would have not been at his house while he was not at home. If Ron was at work the police know this and they have al the records. I really believe that if Rons cell phone pings did not match his work hours, he would be in jail as LE usually looks at parents first.
I don't understand why LE would not want to arrest Ron? that doesn't make sense to me if he harmed his daughter? LE knows IF the kids were outside at 7pm or whatever as there are neighbors that witnessed seeing them outside and a few of them were on here talking and answering questions in the beginning of this case. It has been too long though it would be nice to have closure on this case.
From what I understand the clock (of sorts) starts ticking upon arrest, so unless LE's sufficient ducks are in a row....

IDK
 
IMO, I don't take anything Jr. allegedly says as true. If I am right and there was a cover-up and Jr. was not at the MH, I would bet that TN and/or GGma Sykes told him over and over "a man in black took sissy."

I just do not believe they would not repeat what they wanted Jr. to say over and over. Kids at that age, when they hear something enough times, will take it on as "their" memory.

I would also bet that the child pscyhologist who talked to Jr. got the truth from Jr...he was asleep and does not know.
Yes, THIS.

Cant really add anything to it, just a, "yes this."

:-)
 
That information has been sleuthed.. TN was not living close at the time and she was not employed as a dispatcher at the time Haleigh disappeared...JMO

BTW.. Last I heard it was 90 plus calls that night to Misty...

20 or 90 calls I guess depends on where you read...lol no offense intended, just confusing as nothing is concrete in this case.
 
IF MC heard Haleigh being attacked and did nothing or maybe even helped...........
I truely hope MC has nightmares for the rest of her life!
 

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