2010.08.17 - Croslin says she heard Haleigh Cummings attack

[Snowbunny]

I have no idea why Fields, Misty's attorney, would face the press and tell this tale. However, he has asked for a three hour time block on the day of her sentencing to plead her case. He promises a surprise witness, too.
Perhaps he is letting out this information as a way to build up the public and the courts for his presentation on the day she appears to be sentenced.

I suspect he will bring in authorities from the Mental Health field, maybe a behavioral specialist and perhaps an authority on her learning ability and IQ.

Until then, he may want to drop information pertaining to Misty and the prediciments she found herself in during her short life.

I don't think he would bring up anything about Haleigh's fate in that hearing but I do believe he will try to paint Misty as a poor, uneducated, mistreated, 18-year-old from a home full of drug users and lawbreakers.

jmo

This is a good thought which would make sense of this mess that has come out today. It's so sad that this had to happen on Haleigh's 7th birthday. Without a doubt this has had to have been a tough day for Crystal Sheffield and her family.

 

[suspicious1]

wow new to this but feel totally ignored-why tell plp to join in when you just ignore new plpl?sorry my thoughts were not relevant!

Hey Sherry, I just jumped on here for a few but I would love to hear your thoughts on the situation. You are not being ignored, why do you feel like that? I always welcome new people, it's always good to hear different views in this case. Keep posting!

 

[dodie20]

If misty were in Gainsville visiting her dad, why didn't she include that in part of her day's routine? I have never seen so many liars in one case (with the exception of Couey's relatives). I am starting to take great interest in Jerry Springer. The mindset of these people in this case has to represented on this show....and I used to think it was an act! :banghead:

speaking of liars...Ron's told a few of his own, & I wonder why...hmmm...I wonder if THAT'S the real reason he was included in this sting. Say, he wasn't involved in Haleigh's death. He still did his darndest to stonewall the investigation, any chance he got, & I would imagine that LE was none too pleased with his behavior. LE already knew who he was, & knew that he had slid on all the priors that their hardworking cops, went to the trouble, of arresting him for. So... maybe while LE was setting up Tommy & Misty for Haleigh, they set up Ron, for hindering the investigation. You never know...he IS sitting in jail with the rest of them & he can't make his huge bond either.

 

[Snowbunny]

I prefer to stay with this crime being simple. I do not know how Haleigh died. I choose to beleive she heard Haleigh screaming....from what will be determined later. I believe misty has severe mental problems though, always have. She is disconnected in a major way. Ever since I heard about the first court case with misty and another young man, my antennae have been up. She speaks in pieces that are not connecting. If misty is not dissociated, she is severely borderline.

I agree with you as well Whisperer. I don't think this crime is as complicated as it seems. It's all the side shows and lies that's caused all the confusion. Everybody is disguisted by the turn of events and we still haven't found our beautiful little angel "Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings."

 

[Emma Peel]

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

THIS is how Attny Robert Fields chose to honor Haleigh on her 7th birthday? :furious:

Et tu Art Harris?

I'm glad I decided to stay away the news and lit a candle for Haleigh.

 

[krkrjx]

I have no idea why Fields, Misty's attorney, would face the press and tell this tale. However, he has asked for a three hour time block on the day of her sentencing to plead her case. He promises a surprise witness, too.
Perhaps he is letting out this information as a way to build up the public and the courts for his presentation on the day she appears to be sentenced.

I suspect he will bring in authorities from the Mental Health field, maybe a behavioral specialist and perhaps an authority on her learning ability and IQ.

Until then, he may want to drop information pertaining to Misty and the prediciments she found herself in during her short life.

I don't think he would bring up anything about Haleigh's fate in that hearing but I do believe he will try to paint Misty as a poor, uneducated, mistreated, 18-year-old from a home full of drug users and lawbreakers.

jmo

I, too, suspect Fields will bring in mental health professionals to testify at Misty's sentencing. It's about all he can do, and he has to do something! I am not too confident he can win YO status for Misty as he hopes, but I cannot ignore the possibility. Clearly, Misty is one mixed-up gal. What I would find ironic, though, is if one or more defense witnesses says under oath that Misty may be a pathological liar--one who knows the truth but is unable to tell it.

I did not see it as a positive move on Fields' part to repeat the "Joe did it" story. That tale did enough damage when TC and MC first told it; refreshing everyone's memory of it was not wise, IMO.

 

[Whisperer]

speaking of liars...Ron's told a few of his own, & I wonder why...hmmm...I wonder if THAT'S the real reason he was included in this sting. Say, he wasn't involved in Haleigh's death. He still did his darndest to stonewall the investigation, any chance he got, & I would imagine that LE was none too pleased with his behavior. LE already knew who he was, & knew that he had slid on all the priors that their hardworking cops, went to the trouble, of arresting him for. So... maybe while LE was setting up Tommy & Misty for Haleigh, they set up Ron, for hindering the investigation. You never know...he IS sitting in jail with the rest of them & he can't make his huge bond either.

I will never forget the lies and distractions he and Tn have done. Ron is also a very sick individual but he functions on a higher level than misty. Both ron and his mother are very controlling types. They have to have more info, more kge, and more toys than others have. TN controls ron's girls by buying things for them. Ron does the same, I'm sure....up to a point. Ron is not a generous type but uses any kind of persuasion he has to totally control his peeps.

He lies consistently and can be very vague and speaks out of both sides of his mouth....he has inherited that gene, amongst some others. The problem with him is, he would lie when he doesn't have to. He lies to make himself appear better than he is. This is part of the problem. It is hard to tell the reasons for his lies but you can bet it all comes down to ron looking good and not being responsible, even indirectly for anything he says or does. :waitasec:

 

[dodie20]

I will never forget the lies and distractions he and Tn have done. Ron is also a very sick individual but he functions on a higher level than misty. Both ron and his mother are very controlling types. They have to have more info, more kge, and more toys than others have. TN controls ron's girls by buying things for them. Ron does the same, I'm sure....up to a point. Ron is not a generous type but uses any kind of persuasion he has to totally control his peeps.

He lies consistently and can be very vague and speaks out of both sides of his mouth....he has inherited that gene, amongst some others. The problem with him is, he would lie when he doesn't have to. He lies to make himself appear better than he is. This is part of the problem. It is hard to tell the reasons for his lies but you can bet it all comes down to ron looking good and not being responsible, even indirectly for anything he says or does. :waitasec:

the control thing...that's what I think is his defining characteristic.

 

[txsvicki]

When I read what Misty has to say about Haleigh being put into a black bag, it makes me think that Misty is saying that Haleigh was suffocated. I don't believe that Misty saw or heard anything, but she is telling what Jr. heard and saw.

Edited: One of the posts say that Haleigh was wrapped in a blanket and put into a black bag. After reading the link provided and other links I see no mention of Haleigh being in a blanket inside the black bag. Do we still have no mention of what happened to that blanket or blankets?

 

[dodie20]

I, too, suspect Fields will bring in mental health professionals to testify at Misty's sentencing. It's about all he can do, and he has to do something! I am not too confident he can win YO status for Misty as he hopes, but I cannot ignore the possibility. Clearly, Misty is one mixed-up gal. What I would find ironic, though, is if one or more defense witnesses says under oath that Misty may be a pathological liar--one who knows the truth but is unable to tell it.

I did not see it as a positive move on Fields' part to repeat the "Joe did it" story. That tale did enough damage when TC and MC first told it; refreshing everyone's memory of it was not wise, IMO.

but Werter put Misty in between a rock & a hard place. He stood up for Tommy, in court, & used that cockamami story, as an example of Tommy's cooperation. If Misty had let that story go, what would that do to her brother? If she goes with it, she's doomed, because it's hogwash, but if she backs away from it, she's doomed, because she's left with no alternative but to tell the truth. The pressure is on for Misty.

 

[krkrjx]

Yeah, what did she do? I guess she spent the next several hours cleaning up the house. It sure was squeaky clean! I wonder what her story will be about that! BBM

...that someone broke in and cleaned.

 

[Whisperer]

I cannot believe JO came for a machine gun. Where is this gun? How did rc get it? Guess we will never know because it may make ron look bad....can't have that, can we? *sarcasm*. I am sick of ron and he is a..[ most unusual person]

I think Haleigh was first covered with a blanket by misty. Whoever took Haleigh was angry allright, angry at misty for the mess they were in. If it was JO, he may have put a knife at either one of their throats because he felt he had to be the one to dispose...I bet he threatend both of them with not talking.

The scream occurred but we don't know what time it occurred. They mix up their details and place them in different times and dates.

 

[txsvicki]

...that someone broke in and cleaned.

Perhaps a couple of other females who have inconsistent stories that conflict with what their husbands told.

 

[dodie20]

I cannot believe JO came for a machine gun. Where is this gun? How did rc get it? Guess we will never know because it may make ron look bad....can't have that, can we? *sarcasm*. I am sick of ron and he is a..[ most unusual person]

I think Haleigh was first covered with a blanket by misty. Whoever took Haleigh was angry allright, angry at misty for the mess they were in. If it was JO, he may have put a knife at either one of their throats because he felt he had to be the one to dispose...I bet he threatend both of them with not talking.

The scream occurred but we don't know what time it occurred. They mix up their details and place them in different times and dates.

I think Joe may have gone for a gun, but on what night? It might've been before Misty's weekend with WBG, & then Tommy seized it as a motive for Joe. (some motive). But then I think about what Hank said about Joe stabbing his sister over a piece of bologna, & think, 'Joe wouldn't need much of a motive'. But then I think that Ol' Hank has been doing his own share of throwing Joe under the bus, & I'm not so sure if I believe that bologna story. I get the feeling that all of this drama wasn't that unusal in that trailer, & there was probably something going on every single day. I bet that Tommy & Misty took details from other fights, other nights, & added them to the story. maybe Joe did grope Misty...but when? maybe he did go to steal a gun...but when? I don't think it was this particular night. When I try to picture all of the screaming & chaos, I instead get the image of Jr. hearing those squeaky shoes. That house was quiet & I don't think Misty was there.

 

[txsvicki]

I wonder if anyone has a black cloth bag missing or if they claim the bag was Joe's. I'm wondering if the machine gun was stored in a black bag and had to be taken out by whoever put Haleigh in this bag.

 

[Whisperer]

something not right-why didnt misty say this in the beginning-or middle-i know she wants drug charges lessened but this just don't seem true or right (feeling wise) just my opionion-sorry for bad spelling-I'm old!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Welcome aboard Sherry!

You're right. Something is not right..

..there is a chance though that she has told this story before and that is why they have been after tommy. JO lawyered up the first week and they have no evidence on him.

Misty is a very difficult person to figure out.

Don't apologize for being old. The eyes and spelling both take a hit as we grow wiser and older...definitely not for sissies.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

MC has yet come up with another tale. Not buying it. If she's under the covers hugging Jr., how did she see this "black bag"?

Now that she's facing 240 yrs. she's willing to "tell what she knows"? All these months, 19 months, she don't know nothing, I told everything I know, they can all kiss my arse, and yet another tale..:furious:

This child is just like ICA and can't get her "story" together. Unless she can lead LE to HaLeigh's remains, no dice, give her the max...besides, I believe, if precious HaLeigh was thrown in the river, any river, theres nothing of her left...JMHO


Where is HaLeigh!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

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CROSLIN: When Haleigh is found I will be let out of jail because that`s the only reason they`re keeping me in here. The only reason they set me up and all that stuff. And that`s why my bond is so high. And it`s not right, because me being in jail has nothing to do with Haleigh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a bombshell in the Haleigh Cummings mystery. Explosive details from the mouth of the woman we just heard from, Misty Croslin, via her attorney. He says Misty told cops she was there when her cousin, Joe, busted into the family trailer and snatched Haleigh, putting her inside a black bag.

Misty and Joe`s Grandma Flo said this here on ISSUES back in April.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLLARS: She started crying and saying, "Nanny, see, I`ve told you all along that Joe had something to do with this. I knew he did. I knew he did." And then she called me on Monday to let me know that Tommy and Joe had wrapped Misty -- I mean had wrapped Haleigh in a yellow rope and tied a brick to it and throwed her off the dock in the St. John`s River.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe Overstreet saying through his attorney this is all a big fat lie, and Misty is not to be believed.

Mora, Indiana, your question or thought, ma`am.

CALLER: Hi, Jane. I just have a quick comment. You said earlier that she said she was hiding under a blanket in the bedroom with Junior and that she could hear Haleigh screaming. If she could hear Haleigh screaming, then Junior could hear Haleigh screaming. And why has Junior not said anything about hearing his sister scream?

KAVINOKY: Good point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Fascinating question. Drew Petrimoulx, you`re with WDB Radio, joining us on Skype. We`ll get to you in a second.

But Darren Kavinoky, that certainly is an important issue. Could they have interviewed this child? But he`s only 3 years old at the time.

KAVINOKY: Yes. Well, obviously, that presents a real difficulty, although children are interviewed with great regularity, and there`s special techniques to be able to deal with that. Three years old, though, quite young, although this caller does raise an important point. And that is it`s these little details that turn cases.

And the really sad thing in all of this is that the -- when there is finally a prosecution, we`ve had so many story changes. And as Dr. Karim points out, we`ve had so many people that have problems with drugs, and who knows whether there`s psychosis or not. But we certainly have so much of a credibility problem that, ultimately, defense attorneys will have a field day doing the kind of cross-examination on the -- on the minutia that this caller really sees now. I think it`s a good point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now back to Flora Hollars. Grandma Flo is how we know her.

How would Misty know about what happened down by the river if she was cowering under a sheet and only heard the van door slam and drive off? She -- the cops took her down to the river, and you see her right there talking to investigators on that shot. Now, if she was cowering under a sheet, she wouldn`t know what happened down by the river?

HOLLARS: No. I`m sure she was carried down there to be shown.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Say that again.

HOLLARS: I`m sure she was carried down there and shown where it was at.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: By who?

HOLLARS: By Tommy and Joe.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well...

HOLLARS: Y`all just really don`t know what kind of a child Joe is. Joe didn`t pass his lie detector test, just like none of the rest of them did.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, he has not been named a suspect. Cops have interviewed him twice, and they elected not to name him a suspect or a person of interest.

So -- and by the way, if he wants to come on and tell his story tomorrow he`s invited along with his attorney.

But what do you make of the fact that people are saying the story doesn`t really completely add up. Like why would he hurt the child because he couldn`t find a machine gun, Grandma Flo?

HOLLARS: Because he was wanting that machine gun.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What?

HOLLARS: He was wanting that machine gun. He had already stole the pistol, and they had to get it back from him because Ron was fixed to beat him up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Misty was adamant -- OK. I just want to get to this one aspect of the case. Misty was adamant that she was not involved in Haleigh`s disappearance. And you`ve got to listen to this clip from a jailhouse visit with her dad. Listen carefully.

All right. We don`t have it. But I got to tell you, basically what she says is, "They`re not going to put me away for something I didn`t do. I didn`t have anything to do with Haleigh. And if I knew who did, I would tell them. I told them everything I can tell them. So they need to leave me alone."

Now, Darren Kavinoky, suddenly when she`s looking down the Barrel -- and this is my big issue -- is Misty flaunting a bargaining chip there. She faces 240 years in prison. Her sentencing is coming up in October. So is she just -- is this a big strategy to basically get prosecutors to promise that they`ll go easy on her sentencing if she tells them the whole story?

KAVINOKY: Right. Well, it certainly should be part of the strategy. She`s looking at over 200 years in prison, so she better have something. And really, the only thing it sounds like a person in her circumstances would have to offer would be information about this.

But sadly, again, for prosecutors, they`re at a place, I`m imagining, where they`re not going to be able to rely on anything that she says. Her credibility is so very shot through.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Grandma Flo, are you scared for your granddaughter to go to prison for the rest of her life?

HOLLARS: Yes, I am. I`ve also stated that I wish they`d send me down there and lock me in the jail -- in the cell with her for about a week, and I`d get it out of her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Grandma Flo, thank you for joining us

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/17/ijvm.01.html

 

[Emeralgem]

Now that is a fairytale if I ever heard one!

NO fairytale... THE TRUTH...Wonder IF Haleigh thought it was a fairytale when it was happening to her?

 

[Emeralgem]

Instead of having a split personality I guess Ron is capable of splitting himself into two people as he was at work when Haleigh disappeared.

Haleigh never disappeared and the Cummings /Sykes Clan know it...... Ron is responsible for Haleigh's death and it happened before he ever went in to work... His momma and his grandmother I suspect are the ones who told him to high tail his rear into work so he would have an alibi..