2011.01.04 Defense Motion to Suppress Casey's Statements to LE

[lauriej]

So let me get this straight. Baez is asking for something to be thrown out that would be thrown out anyway and probably wasn't going to be used by the prosecution? Wow, talk about focusing on things that don't matter!

I just do not get Baez, not at all...

..seems so------you have to wonder how he has time for this----shouldn't he be packing for the "Unique Oppurtunity"??

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Totally OT i think

BOLD ITALICS UNDERLINED By me...WHY does she say that BETWEEN 9 am and 1pm she took Caylee to Zanny's?

Does she NOT recall what time she starts work? There is a 4 hour gap there. Could she not narrow the time down? Most people who WORK regular jobs, KNOW what time they start work everyday. Their daily routine would usually be the same week after week. So you would think she would be dropping Caylee off at the same time every day? Not only is she a habitual liar but She totally SUCKS at lying! There are so many lies in this written statement. Another thing I spotted on this thread somewhere, and I cant recall exactly but i will go back and find it, just another hole in her credibility, is ICA mentioned that she dropped Caylee off at the bottom of the stairs that lead up to the apartment. WHO PULLS UP WITH A 2 YEAR OLD AND SAYS "OK HONEY GET OUT! MOMMA'S GOTTA GO TO WORK!" I don't care how many times you have taken your toddler somewhere or how familiar they are with the place they are going, you get yer ttub out of the car, and you walk with your child to the door of the nanny's house and you go in and help her with her coat, give her a kiss good bye, tell her you will see her at 5:30 like always. You don't send a two year old off on her own up a flight of stairs to the nanny's apartment and just drive off. WHAT IF THE NANNY WASN'T HOME! NO real sane mother on earth would do that. I would be hard pressed to let my 5 or 6 year old do that. It would just be uncomfortable. I couldn't do it. I really don't think many mothers could.

She is a terrible terrible liar. And this ENTIRE Written statement is RIFE with Lies. I would be hard pressed to find more than 5 TRUTHS littered among the pathetic and completely ludicrous lies. So I would tend to agree that regardless of whether or not the Universal "interview" is allowed in or not. ICA is still hooped. In fact.. This written statement ALONE seems to be enough. IMO


On June 9th, 2008 between 9am-1pm, I Casey Anthony took my daughter Caylee Marie Anthony to her nanny’s apartment. Caylee will be 3-years-old on August 9th, 2008. She was born August 9th, 2005. Caylee is about 3 feet tall, white female with shoulder-length brown hair. She has dark hazel eyes (brown/green) and a small birthmark on her left shoulder. She was wearing a pink shirt, jean shorts, white sneakers, and her hair was pulled back in a ponytail.

On Monday June 9th, 2008 between 9am and 1pm, I took Caylee to the Sawgrass Apartments located on Conway Rd. Caylee’s nanny, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzlez is twenty-five-years-old, and is from New York. She is roughly 5 foot 7 inches tall, 140lbs. She has dark brown, curly hair, and brown eyes. Zenaida’s birthday is in September. I met Zenaida through a mutual friend, Jeffrey Michael Hopkins. She has watched his son, Zachary Hopkins for about 6 months to a year. I met Zenaida in 2004, around Christmas.

On the date listed above, June 9th, 2008, after dropping Caylee off at Zenaida’s apartment I proceeded to head to my place of employment Universal Studios Orlando. I have worked at Universal for over 4 years, since June of 2004. I Left work around 5pm and went back to the apartment to pick up my daughter. However, after reaching the apartment I realized that neither Zenaida, Caylee, or her two roommates were home. I have briefly met Raquel Farrell and Jennifer Rosa on various occasions. After calling Zenaida to see where she and Caylee were, and when they were coming home. I waited outside of the apartment - I had called Zenaida earlier that morning, prior to bringing Caylee over for the afternoon. When I called her that afternoon her phone was no longer in service. Two hours had passed, and around 7pm I left the apartment, and headed to familiar places that Zenaida would go with Caylee. One of Caylee’s favorite places is Jay Blanchard Park. I spend the rest of that evening pacing and worrying at one of the few places I felt “at home.” My boyfriend Anthony Lazzaro’s apartment.

For the past four weeks, since Caylee’s disappearance, I have stayed at Anthony’s apartment, in Sutton Place. I have spent everyday since Monday, June 9th, 2008 looking for my daughter. I have lied and stolen from friends and family to do whatever I could by any means to find my daughter. I avoided calling the police, or even notifying my own family out of fear. I have been and still am afraid of what has or may happen to Caylee. I have not had any contact with Zenaida since Thursday June 12th, 2008. I received a quick call from Zenaida. Not once have I been able to ask her for my daughter or gain any information on where I can find her. Everyday I have gone to malls, parks, any place I could remember Zenaida talking Caylee. I have gone out, and tried to find any information about Caylee, or Zenaida. Whether by going to a popular bar, or restaurant. I have contacted Jeff Hopkins on several occasions to see if he had heard from or seen Zenaida. Jeff currently lives in Jacksonville, Florida.

On Thurday, July 15th, 2008, around 12pm, I received a call from my daughter, Caylee



RBM - I just highlighted the OBVIOUS bold faced lies in this statement. The


Green is the only Truth i see.

Sorry for the long rant. It blows me away that she had the audacity to write out this drivel and the Cajones to declare that it was the TRUTH. I can not wait. I live in Canada and I am SOOOO tempted to come down there for the trial on the day of her conviction, just to see the smart look wiped right off her face forever.

Oh I share your frustration - don't forget this fantasy was scrapped in favor of the Jay Blanchard Park "Beatdown" story, which was all but certainly concocted by Cindy and Casey when she was out on bond.

I guess we were supposed to ignore the Sawgrass story in favor of the "Zanny took Caylee to teach Casey a lesson" story. Lee Alexander Anthony helped propagate that pile of horse dung as well. It is these things that make me think the Anthonys would lie cheat, obstruct, etc to help Casey. No way they believed any of this, especially with Casey's history. They knew her character quite well.

There is something offensive to me about the idea that a court can choose to leave these statements out of a trial. I don't know if they will be excluded or not, but there should be no question about them being rightfully included. We have too much protection for the monsters and not enough for the victims.

 

[lauriej]

Oh I share your frustration - don't forget this fantasy was scrapped in favor of the Jay Blanchard Park "Beatdown" story, which was all but certainly concocted by Cindy and Casey when she was out on bond.

..the blanchard park fantasy couldn't have been put together by cindy & kc while she was bonded out ----kc wasn't out on bond until august 21st 2008.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17251390/detail.html

August 21, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's was released Thursday morning on $500,000 bond, walking through a throng of media but making no comment.

..and yet cindy was telling the story to the FBI--already---on july 30th 2008--while kc was still rotting in jail.

( FBI interview-----agent scottB and cindyA july 30, 2008 )


SB And Casey has got to get over the fact that Caylee's safety maybe in danger.
Caylee's safety is in danger by the fact that she's not telling us where Caylee is.


CA I know. Wait.. some of the things that Casey had um, shared that will probably be public knowledge very soon. Because Lee urn, this is something that you need to get specifically from Lee because um, Lee told.. or Casey told Lee urn,what had happened. Casey said that she was at Blanchard Park with Zanny and urn, now I believe she said Zanny's sister. And I I'm not mistaken I'm not sure ifher name's Stephanie or whatever. But I think Zanny's sister is blonde too so there's a blonde reference there. But Zanny when they were at the park urn, with Caylee um, and I guess her sister had some children and I don't know if this part is um, truthful or whatever.

SB Uh-huh. (Affirmative)


CA But she said, Zanny, when they were getting ready to leave Zanny's sister or the person with Zanny took Caylee. And Casey said where are you guys going?
And Zanny pushed Casey to the ground and the description of Zanny is that she's at least five six, five seven.

SB Uh-huh. (Affirmative)

CA Casey's only.. barely five one an a half if you really put shoes on her.
SB (laugh)
CA Or she stretches out. And like you know maybe ninety-seven, a hundred pounds.
SB Okay.
CA And this person's at least one forty is what she's says. Then she said, this person pushed her to the ground and threatened her. And told her, "listen *****," is what she said.

SB Right.

CA "I'm gonna teach you a lesson."
SB Okay.
CA "I'm gonna teach you a lesson. " "So, you're not getting Caylee back." And again I don't know all the particulars, Lee has all that conversation from Casey.

( problem for cindy with "lee having all of the particulars"------we heard the jail phone calls and jail visit tapes between kc & lee-------there was never mention of the 'new' blanchard park story.)

---------cindy concocted the BPark story on her own------and then quickly whispered it to kc (when they had their 'private time' in the bathroom when kc 1st arrived home on bond.)

 

[NoNameLeft]

The motion is a little vague, but it says she was handcuffed "upon" the "confrontation" by LE "in the evening hours of July 15, 2008." IIRC the police got to the house around 10 pm, and the apartment tour didn't start until around 4 am the next morning.

This is how I remember things: A deputy took Casey to Sawgrass prior to Yuri's arrival. She was gone when Lee got back from Tony (somewhere around 1 or 2 AM?). Yuri got briefed about Sawgrass and spoke about it with John Allen before going over to Hopespring Drive and taking her for her 2nd drive.

ETA: I don't think she was handcuffed during her first trip, tho. She said 10 minutes and the car ride would have been longer. So any handcuffing should have been prior.

 

[logicalgirl]

This is how I remember things: A deputy took Casey to Sawgrass prior to Yuri's arrival. She was gone when Lee got back from Tony (somewhere around 1 or 2 AM?). Yuri got briefed about Sawgrass and spoke about it with John Allen before going over to Hopespring Drive and taking her for her 2nd drive.

ETA: I don't think she was handcuffed during her first trip, tho. She said 10 minutes and the car ride would have been longer. So any handcuffing should have been prior.

NoNameLeft - look up at post 415 - you may have scooted past that one. And AZLawyer's comments right after it.

 

[JWG]

I don't think he's mentioning the handcuffs to show mistreatment--I think he's mentioning them to support the argument that she was "in custody" and therefore entitled to Miranda warnings before being questioned about her involvement.

** [SNIP] **

I wonder if there is any form of police standard-operating-procedure that would entail handcuffing someone when putting them into a police car for police safety? Did they put her in the car to separate her from the family so that they could speak with her? Obviously they fairly quickly decided to remove the cuffs, and at some point that early morning all law enforcement left the Anthony home altogether - KC still at home, of course. And able to take that hot shower she mentioned to Tony.

 

[logicalgirl]

I wonder if there is any form of police standard-operating-procedure that would entail handcuffing someone when putting them into a police car for police safety? Did they put her in the car to separate her from the family so that they could speak with her? Obviously they fairly quickly decided to remove the cuffs, and at some point that early morning all law enforcement left the Anthony home altogether - KC still at home, of course. And able to take that hot shower she mentioned to Tony.

Hi JWG, have I missed something? I thought post #415 says it was when she was arrested just after the car switch? Are we back to the text KC sent TL and I'm even more confused?:waitasec:

 

[AZlawyer]

..the blanchard park fantasy couldn't have been put together by cindy & kc while she was bonded out ----kc wasn't out on bond until august 21st 2008.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17251390/detail.html

August 21, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's was released Thursday morning on $500,000 bond, walking through a throng of media but making no comment.

..and yet cindy was telling the story to the FBI--already---on july 30th 2008--while kc was still rotting in jail.

( FBI interview-----agent scottB and cindyA july 30, 2008 )


SB And Casey has got to get over the fact that Caylee's safety maybe in danger.
Caylee's safety is in danger by the fact that she's not telling us where Caylee is.


CA I know. Wait.. some of the things that Casey had um, shared that will probably be public knowledge very soon. Because Lee urn, this is something that you need to get specifically from Lee because um, Lee told.. or Casey told Lee urn,what had happened. Casey said that she was at Blanchard Park with Zanny and urn, now I believe she said Zanny's sister. And I I'm not mistaken I'm not sure ifher name's Stephanie or whatever. But I think Zanny's sister is blonde too so there's a blonde reference there. But Zanny when they were at the park urn, with Caylee um, and I guess her sister had some children and I don't know if this part is um, truthful or whatever.

SB Uh-huh. (Affirmative)


CA But she said, Zanny, when they were getting ready to leave Zanny's sister or the person with Zanny took Caylee. And Casey said where are you guys going?
And Zanny pushed Casey to the ground and the description of Zanny is that she's at least five six, five seven.

SB Uh-huh. (Affirmative)

CA Casey's only.. barely five one an a half if you really put shoes on her.
SB (laugh)
CA Or she stretches out. And like you know maybe ninety-seven, a hundred pounds.
SB Okay.
CA And this person's at least one forty is what she's says. Then she said, this person pushed her to the ground and threatened her. And told her, "listen *****," is what she said.

SB Right.

CA "I'm gonna teach you a lesson."
SB Okay.
CA "I'm gonna teach you a lesson. " "So, you're not getting Caylee back." And again I don't know all the particulars, Lee has all that conversation from Casey.

( problem for cindy with "lee having all of the particulars"------we heard the jail phone calls and jail visit tapes between kc & lee-------there was never mention of the 'new' blanchard park story.)

---------cindy concocted the BPark story on her own------and then quickly whispered it to kc (when they had their 'private time' in the bathroom when kc 1st arrived home on bond.)

Not to get O/T too far, but yes, the JBP story was obviously in place before July 30. IMO it still came from Casey though--on Sat July 26 Casey told Lee over the phone that she would be working with Jose and would try to get some information to Lee. Then she met with Jose from 3:00-5:30 pm July 26. Then on Monday July 28 Lee and Casey had another phone call, in which Lee talked about how things had changed based on what was "conveyed" to him, and Casey encouraged him to follow up on "new leads" and other things he was "told this weekend."

 

[jandkmom]

Couldn't they put the handcuffs on her because of the "stolen vehicle" 911 call, then once that was straightened out, question her about Caylee and then arrest her for that later?

 

[LolaMoon08]

I just looked on a forum where LE answers questions about procedures when it comes to anyone being in the back of the squad car and most said that they do not handcuff the person... they search them though. Some said that they do handcuff for safety reasons. So I think it would be up to the officer and the level of safety he/she felt having that person sitting in the back of the car.

NOW... I don't know exactly how hostile it was between Casey and Cindy when LE arrived. Lee said it got so bad between Casey going back and forth that they needed to seperare them. Who knows? I still don't think that she was handcuffed. I think she was only trying to get attention from Tony.

 

[AZlawyer]

Hi JWG, have I missed something? I thought post #415 says it was when she was arrested just after the car switch? Are we back to the text KC sent TL and I'm even more confused?:waitasec:

We were talking about the October 14 statements (after the car chase) but also about the Universal and house statements July 15-16 (after the maybe-handcuffing that KC mentioned to TL).

Couldn't they put the handcuffs on her because of the "stolen vehicle" 911 call, then once that was straightened out, question her about Caylee and then arrest her for that later?

Probably. But the handcuffing, for whatever reason, would be one fact for the judge to consider in determining whether she was "in custody" later on when she gave her statements.

 

[JWG]

Hi JWG, have I missed something? I thought post #415 says it was when she was arrested just after the car switch? Are we back to the text KC sent TL and I'm even more confused?:waitasec:

Yeah, sorry Logical. I was referring to the text to Tony. Just being my careless self ... :doh:

 

[Itsy]

july 16 --timeline--

6:48 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Im so sorry for not telling you what happened..weobviously need to talk. I need you..and i love you more than you know”
6:50 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Where is caylee?”
6:50 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “I honestly dont know..”
6:53 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “I don’t know…. R u serious?.. When did u find out?”
6:53 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Ive been filing reports all night and driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments i had taken her to. Everything. I am t”
6:54 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Too long. Lets just leave it at that.”
6:57 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Y wouldn’t u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter. Dosn’t make sense to me. Why would u lie to me th”
6:59 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “I lied to everyone. What was i supposed to say? I trust my daughter with some psycho. How does that look?”
7:01 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Idk what to say.. I just hope your daughter is okay and I’m gonna do whatever I can do to help ur family and the cops.”
7:01 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best thing and the most important person in my life is mi”
7:02 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “I am the dubest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself”
7:03 am KC sends Tl a text message that reads “The most important thing is getting caylee back but i truly hope that you can forgive me..granted i will never be able to forgive myself..no”
7:04 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Who is this zanny nanny person”
7:06 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Someone i had net through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used to be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine”
7:09 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Im scared”
7:12 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “R u home?”
7:13 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Yeah. Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally getting a shower. I feel like [edited out]”
7:15 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Where did u drop off caylee last time u saw her?”
7:17 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “At her apartment. At the bottom stairs”
7:17 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Where?!”
7:18 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Sawgrass apartments”
7:19 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Have told and showed the police the apartment.”
7:20 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “Told them and drove out there with two different officers. I just got back from the second drive”
7:21 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “If they dont find her..guess who gets blamed and spends eternity in jail?”
7:23 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Yeah no [edited out] this serious why would u say somthing sooner bout this? Too anyone?”
7:24 am TL sends KC a text message that reads “Oh and why are u texting me and not callin”
7:24 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “I talked to two people that have been directly connected to zanny. How can i sit there and be so blind and stupid? Its my fault”
7:25 am KC sends TL a text message that reads “I was scared to admit..i was scared that something was going to happen to my baby.”
7:27 am KC calls TL, 2 hours and 2 minutes conversation.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/timeline-and-discovery/

BBM - Hold on a second! I thought she always claimed that Zanny watched both Caylee and "Zack" together (at least for a good while, anyway), not that it was first Zack, then Caylee. :waitasec:

 

[noonie]

Or the Mis-truth? Some may be a lie? LOL

 

[noonie]

Itsy, Thanks for the refresh my memory transcript! Wow. Tony was probably out of his mind after finding out about her lies > I hope he testifies and she freaks out!

 

[Ssejors]

She texted Tony on the morning of July 16, just after she had returned from her Apartment Tour with Yuri and several hours before leaving for her Universal Tour with Yuri, and she seemed to be referring to an earlier period of time as the time that she had been handcuffed for almost 10 minutes. She wasn't saying that she was in handcuffs right at that minute.

Baez has not said that Casey was in handcuffs during the Universal trip or the 911 calls, AFAIK.

OT but AZ... Did you EDIT Aedrys's post that you Quoted ?


this is What I SEE... I found it ironic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aedrys View Post
I could swear we debated this before and came to the conclusion that she couldn't have been handcuffed because she texted Tony. Some said maybe she texted from home, but I remember the discussion on this and it seems like she texted from the police car. I've followed this case almost the entire length of it, and I do not ever remember hearing that Casey was in handcuffs at the time of the Universal trip or the 911 calls. I feel like I am losing my mind here. I swear Baez made that up.

She texted Tony on the morning of July 16, just after she had returned from her Apartment Tour with Yuri and several hours before leaving for her Universal Tour with Yuri, and she seemed to be referring to an earlier period of time as the time that she had been handcuffed for almost 10 minutes. She wasn't saying that she was in handcuffs right at that minute.

Baez has not said that Casey was in handcuffs during the Universal trip or the 911 calls, AFAIK.

 

[Scamperoo]

I found this on the Hinky Meter now to find the recording if it's available...

http://thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=29128

.i finally found the additional statements CM wants suppressed....

..detective edwards turns on the recorder just before they put her in the police car------mirandizes her in the car, kc signs the miranda form------and they keep talking as they drive to the building (where she then primps and flirts..)( the white shirt video, where she flips her hair around non-stop)

Is this for real or just wishful thinking.

 

[lauriej]

I found this on the Hinky Meter now to find the recording if it's available...

http://thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=29128

.i finally found the additional statements CM wants suppressed....

..detective edwards turns on the recorder just before they put her in the police car------mirandizes her in the car, kc signs the miranda form------and they keep talking as they drive to the building (where she then primps and flirts..)( the white shirt video, where she flips her hair around non-stop)

Is this for real or just wishful thinking.

'scamp'---i posted the same here earlier @ WS also.

..it's this recording-----edwards begins 'secretly recording' @ 4:05----kc signs the miranda in the car @ 4:22...etc.

..i couldn't find the audio-----this is the transcript of that recording.
( begins page 18. )

http://www.momlogic.com/cdn/v3/pdf/casey_anthony_docs/redacted_statements.pdf


------------note AZlawyer's response to that as well:
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[zoey]

Couldn't they put the handcuffs on her because of the "stolen vehicle" 911 call, then once that was straightened out, question her about Caylee and then arrest her for that later?

Didn't CA tell them to arrest her in one of the phone calls....? She also mentioned the stolen money---

 

[Bee Charmer]

Probably. But I don't see how that helps show that she wasn't "in custody."



Yuri's report doesn't start until he shows up at the house in the wee hours of the morning on July 16. If there was any 10 minutes of handcuffing, he probably never knew about it.

Are perps "in custody" usually allowed to remain in their homes over night without a police guard? Because that is what happened here, casey anthony was allowed to stay at home with no police involvement.

The next day she agreed to go with LE to Universal and we know what happened then, hence the interview.

I do not believe mason's assertions that casey anthony was "in custody" has any merit.