And it must be difficult for JA as well, because even though none of us know her personally, many have decided she is a deceitful liar, some possibly think murder, and she has to get on camera and describe what she did. And if she really just wanted to help her friend, and her actions have created an opposite perspective to some, than she must feel devastated and embarassed and under a lot of stress and scrutiny as well. Regardless of the painting plans, we do not know for sure JA saw NC on that Saturday morning, but we know BC did. And that is a fact, not an opinion.
I DID NOT SAY HE DID IT, THOUGH THAT MAY BE MY OPINION.
Please do not twist my words. What I said, is regardless of what side of the fence you are on, BDI or BDDI, it is a fact BC was the last one we know FOR SURE saw her alive. Unless there was an eye witness who knew her personally, and saw her running, and stopped to chat, we do not know that she was seen after she went home on Friday night. Some of us think she went home, and BC killed her. Fact: he would have been the last person to see her alive. Some of us think she went on a run, and was murdered by someone else. FACT: BC was the last person to see or know of her alive, depending on which version of his story you believe...(remember in one he heard her leave, and in another, he saw her.) There is no opinion in that. It is a FACT. BC was the last person to see her alive.
I didn't get to hear anything today - so I have no idea what the jury asked for. Some photos is all I can gather. All I can surmise is that they are truly deliberating, which is good.
Thanks for responding, I appreciate that. It is too bad that we cannot revisit each item and see it all laid out for analysis and review. c'est la vieJust the discussion threads - and those topics are interspersed throughout due to the significance. You'll have to weed through the 1,000+ posts/day
I didn't get to hear anything today - so I have no idea what the jury asked for. Some photos is all I can gather. All I can surmise is that they are truly deliberating, which is good.
I agree. She was the most receptive and friendliness to speak to when this starting unfolding. Very attractive...its sad it has taken a toll on her. For one of her other friends, I rather not say what kind of attitude she had.Maybe she is aware of the assumptions people are making about her and the things they are saying about her. Perhaps she is sick at the loss of her friend and how this trial has destroyed her reputation. It is a good possibility this trail and the publicity has invaded her life and changed her and not in a good way. Personally, I have a lot of admiration for someone who steps up and makes that phone call to the police.
Apologies, but I'm not following the importance of this whole debate. If the Windows event log of his laptop showed a duplicate address error and the MAC address reported was that of some/any 3825, that means that he had that 3825 in his house at the time of the event (assuming that the laptop was in the house).I think that's where the confusion came in. In Brad's words he claimed that GM had a 3825 from him. It was cleared up later that it was a server that GM had from Brad's lab.
I heard phone records but then I wasn't sure if maybe the number requested was wrong.
I heard the two defense exhibits were the customer rewards records. That was most interesting to me. It may have been discussed and I missed it. (I came home to page 22 and I skipped to the end.) I could only think of one reason they were interested in that exhibit and it wasn't to count how many times the Coopers bought Tide as opposed to All. MOO
No. It was all answered right there in the chat. Brad misstated what GM had at home. He had taken something home but it wasn't a 3825 router.
And it must be difficult for JA as well, because even though none of us know her personally, many have decided she is a deceitful liar, some possibly think murder, and she has to get on camera and describe what she did. And if she really just wanted to help her friend, and her actions have created an opposite perspective to some, than she must feel devastated and embarassed and under a lot of stress and scrutiny as well. Regardless of the painting plans, we do not know for sure JA saw NC on that Saturday morning, but we know BC did. And that is a fact, not an opinion.
I think its more a case of individuals convinced of his guilt but unsure of a conviction taking it upon themselves to 'help' ensure a conviction. No conspiracy is necessary to believe evidence was tampered with.
LEOs do it...some once in their life, some never, some on a regular basis. That's reality whther you believe it or not. That's why there is legislation in the state house aimed at insulting SAs from police misconduct/tampering.
I guess the 'friends' coordination/filtering would qualify as a conspiracy in the technical sense, so if you believe MH was asked not to speak directly to police and/or that those affidavits were written with "consistency is good" in mind and/or folks who refused to provide negative info on BC were ostracized and/or pics of NC but only with the necklace email was circulated...if you believe any or all of those things of which some are testimony/evidence, then you technically believe in at least once conspiracy.
You're right--they requested phone records for BC and NC for July 11 and 12. And BC for a few weeks after NC's death.
What did you think the reason for the customer records would have been (both HT and BJs were requested) if not to count detergent? I know the point of introducing the HT by the defense was to point out purchase of milk in the middle of the night twice.
So by your reasoning, BC is guilty of obstruction of justice as well? I would say his obstruction of justice holds more weight, IMO, because he was the last person we DEFINITELY know who saw her alive.
I agree 100% and will add, JA shows what happens to people in a trial by the opposing side. No one is perfect and it is easy to be critical of others. It is wrong IMO. She is dealing with a great loss too. I only hope my friends will react as quickly as she did if anything ever happens to me or my loved ones. She was a dear friend to Nancy.
She wasn't called a liar until long after her testimony. Many things surfaced throughout the trial that contradict her story. There are a lot of questionable things that I can't simply give her the benefit of the doubt like you can.
Not sure about the purchase of milk twice?? Speculation they wanted to check if Green Juice is often purchased. I also wondered if they could determine if some laundry detergent had been recently purchased.
I agree, you can see where BC has been repeatedly picking at his face. And those dark circles/bags under his eyes don't help either.
I can't recall who that is right now. Can you remember the case?