2011.05.11 Kc sick removed from court

[Luzer]

I have an alternate theory. Remember your American Lit classes? Edgar Allen Poe wrote "The Tell-Tale Heart". KC has "The Tell-Tale Hands".

 

[Oakley]

Just a thought: While hyperventilating is a involuntary result of high stress or anxiety, it CAN be self-induced by rapid breathing. So she might have been coached by the DT. Or decided herself to do it. JMO.

 

[katydid23]

Last night - they had a 'body language specialist' on and she stated that the reason she 'fiddles' with the kleenexes as coasters and moves the bottle/cups on the table is because it is her way of controlling the items in front of her. This episode today, (although I didn't see it) sounds just like another way for HER to 'control' something, namely the court room! I certainly hope HHJP puts a nix on any more of her control moves! Early this morning, it was sooooo apparent she was distraught that JB wasn't pauying ANY attentin to her - so just like my 5 year old, to her 'bad' attention is just as good as 'good' attention! And let's face it - ICA has been doing that with her parents all of her life!

IMO, something happened between ICA and JB. Whether he finally got sick of her or maybe he has realized she's going down and he doesn't want to go along with her...
the tnsion at the defense table was very apparent - I'm wondering if something big may be in the works as the beginning looms near????

We could only hope for a 'guilt' plea deal, for beautiful Caylee's sake!
JMO

I AGREE. She craves ALL of the attention and she wants to be in control.
We can all see she has lost 'control' of Baez. She used to have a bit of a spell over him, but that spell has been broken. It is odd that he is so distant now, considering he is supposed to be the person fighting for her life. Weird dynamics for sure right now.

I think she really did have a bit of a panic attack though. I think hearing Judge P's authoritative voice booming out those charges a few times a day has been brutal for her. But the drama queen inside her demanded attention so she had to stop the proceedings while she was 'helped' out of her chair.

 

[realcurious]

This is what happens when the chit hits the fan. For the first time in her life she realizes that people know she is nothing but a liar. Her family and friends always brushed it off. Now she knows that everyone in the courtroom can see right thru her.

 

[katydid23]

The only thing I saw was her fiddling with her hands.. did I miss something?

They had to stop the proceedings because she had a panic attack of some kind. She was helped out of her chair and back into the holding room. Apparently she tought she was going to faint and her 'hands would not move.' You know how your hands get tingly and numb if you get upset? I know mine do.

 

[rosepetal1065]

Of course she is ok. She is a very healthy young woman.

I can tell you from experience, inmates fake seizures all day every day. Everytime they do this, they get to go to sick bay. There is nothing to be done but they like the trip to break up their routine. I have seen thousands of so-called seizures.

Ita, with this. To really shake things up..Kc could claim her chest "hurts" cp will get you a ride to the hospital and 24 hr obs mandatory. We get several of these a month.

 

[Oakley]

The only thing I saw was her fiddling with her hands.. did I miss something?

Someone at her table was overheard to say that Casey reported feeling dizzy. She also appeared to be taking deep breaths, and was also reported to be pale or ashen. She looked very frightened about the (seeming) inability to move her hands (from the tingling, I presume.) Another symptom of panic attacks is a feeling of dread, and she did seem kind of out there.

As ZZ said, while panic attacks can feel very scary to the person experiencing them, they are not dangerous or life threatening at all. They just feel that way. Worst that could happen is one passes out from lack of carbon dioxide (thanks, FF. Got that backward.) Breathing in a brown paper bag solves that. As long as she is on meds for trial, she should be fine.

 

[ZsaZsa]

This is what happens when the chit hits the fan. For the first time in her life she realizes that people know she is nothing but a liar. Her family and friends always brushed it off. Now she knows that everyone in the courtroom can see right thru her.

You summed it up very nicely! :great:

 

[faefrost]

If you look at her hands as she walked out they are in spasm. It is tetany, spasms caused by hyperventilation.
Lots of psychological problems manifest themselves in physical symptoms.
She was feeling anxious, and started hyperventilating. She was taken out,
I think she was seen by a Nurse and probably given a paper bag to breathe in, and came back in after ten minutes or so. It's very common.
She does it to herself.....

Exactly.

The spasming hands aren't psychological. They are a physiological effect caused by too much oxygen and not enough CO2 in the blood. In other words caused by hyperventilating. The hyperventilating is typically caused by stress. The hands are an actual physical problem. She really can't feel her hands and they really are spasming.

Work EMS near a University during finals week. You'll see enough of this to be able to spot and diagnose it in your sleep.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Ita, with this. To really shake things up..Kc could claim her chest "hurts" cp will get you a ride to the hospital and 24 hr obs mandatory. We get several of these a month.

I am sure all of her behaviors will get worse as this trial progresses.
It's all about her.

 

[per_curiam]

Someone said that a "juror was slapped w/contempt" today? I missed that. Any details, please!

And, if JB lashed out at Casey and compared her to a two year old, you can bet that Casey was embarrassed and humiliated. She is used to having JB as her "rock", thinking he will be covering her @$$ at all times. Well, he's obviously had enough. That does not go with her normal expectation of him. She's out of her comfort zone with him now.

I suspect that as Casey was growing up, her parents dealt with her meltdowns the wrong way, and Casey became a great manipulator. I can see her as a 4 yr. old getting the attention away from anything she would be punished for, by having a stomachache, acting like she was hurt or sick, then the parents would refocus on that instead of whatever she had done that was wrong.

I wish I were a psychiatrist and she were my patient. I'd love to have her childhood before my eyes! And her parents (family dynamics).

Now that the Nancy Cooper trial is over, I'm back over here to Casey, and then on to the Jason Young trial which is upcoming. I live only a few blocks from NC's ex-home, and maybe 3 miles from JY's/Michelle's ex-home/murder site. Makes it especially interesting.

 

[Brattigirle]

And yet, she was able to push down on the arms of the chair to stand up, pull down on her pants legs as she got up, curl her fists together as she walked, and do the trade mark move she makes when walking in front of people - pull her elbow into her waist and lift her arm, that little insecurity thing she does.

Sorry. Don't care. Wish I did, but I don't.

I love your post. ITA

 

[ZsaZsa]

Exactly.

The spasming hands aren't psychological. They are a physiological effect caused by too much oxygen and not enough CO2 in the blood. In other words caused by hyperventilating. The hyperventilating is typically caused by stress. The hands are an actual physical problem. She really can't feel her hands and they really are spasming.

Work EMS near a University during finals week. You'll see enough of this to be able to spot and diagnose it in your sleep.

That is what I said. She is anxious, she hyperventilates,her hands go into Tetany from reduced Carbon dioxide. She has a physical symptom which originated from her stress - ie psychologically induced.
Her hands were in spasm as she walked out of court.
I have many years of ER experience, it is a common event.
Treatment= paper bag.

 

[tsitra01]

Not sure this was already mentioned but I think KC's hand problem comes from her squeezing her hands so tightly and at one point while the judge was reading it looked as if the fingers on her one hand were bluish color cutting off the circulation.

Anyone remember JA's description of how Caylee may have died and AL holding onto KC's arm. KC had become so angry AL had to hold onto her. I think KC is controlling her anger the best she can and the end result is a major stress on her body. jmo

I agree, I don't see any unusual illness. Only someone who is realizing, this is it. Get ready girl. You are going to face what you did to Caylee and you can't talk back for the first time in your life. This is only the beginning. You didn't choose to confess what you did so the prosecution will do it for you.

 

[babycat]

I agree with those of you who have stated that you think it is a symptom of hyperventilating- by fiancées lung has collapsed twice in his life and each time he had this happen- I've also seen it happen to him when his mother passed away, which was sudden, and caused great stress/panic. It also happened to a friend of mine recently who had a panic attack...hands seized right up. It is scary, but goes away...

I think she feels panic for herself, and her immediate situation. I don't feel sorry for her, though...I feel sorry for Caylee

 

[Moe]

It is clear as day she has never had to answer for her wrong doings. Time is up young lady, the party is so over.

 

[Bobbarita]

She is not actually a psychopath. What she is is more of a sociopath. She can feel emotion, just only as it relates to her. She is a complete narcissist focused entirely on self. She is panicking because she is in trouble and people will be doing and saying mean stuff to her. She is panicking because she herself is going to be held accountable for her crimes. This is not the same as remorse and only lightly touches on guilt in the sense of "OMG how am I going to get out of this". She would not panic or stress because Caylee was gone or missing or dead. She will panic based on how that might effect her. The critical operative element in any of her stress or emotional responses is "I, me, my, myself, KC" nothing else.

The sociopath will care about other people to the extent of how and only how it relates to themselves. They are entirely self fixated. The Psychopath doesn't really distinguish any difference between people and things. It's a subtle but critical difference.

Great and accurate synopsis!

 

[Brattigirle]

It is as simple as ICA cut off circulation to her finger when she had them clenched so tightly as Judge Perry once again read the counts against her.

http://www.wftv.com/video/27859974/index.html

 

[angeldust]

yep definately was a panic attack but just as a wee matter of interest, there is/was a case over here of a serial killer Peter Tobin and every time and I mean every time he appears in court he feigns heart problems and gets carted for medical attention. I think very soon the courts wisened up to his shenanigans x

 

[Tiki]

LOL at the end of the day. she was rearranging stuff on the table then stood up, moved a couple more items and started the vigorous hand-rubbing again. Her hawk-eyed guard took it for about 30 seconds, then tapped her and ushered her out. ICA always has to speak to someone on the way out - just to prove she doesn't have to obey.

I don't think it was an actual panic attack. She wanted out of there and she knows what one looks like so she faked it. My sister used to do that to get out of any uncomfortable situation.

I think she is pizzed because she doesn't want to have to sit and listen and JB can't get her excused now like he has in the past.


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