2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

[KenoshaKid]

I thought the only evidence of that fight was LA's statement to JG? The neighbor testified to hearing fights between CA and ICA were prior to Caylee's disapearance. We do know that on the stand CA stated that she had gone to BofA and was looking for ICA to discuss this with her in person.........

I am not sure why the SA hasn't pursued this argument between CA and ICA, but I imagine they have their reasons.

BBM...

I believe she testified under oath here was no fight that night? I could be wrong on that, but I can hear her saying it in my head, LOL!

 

[KMouse]

I was mulling over an "agreed statement of facts". Do they use this in the U.S?
Lets just say there was an agreed upon plea deal and there was an agreed statement of facts submitted to the court....what would we have on it?

--Casey is a liar
--Caylee is deceased
--Caylee died on or about June 16, 2008

 

[Bon]

Talking about emotions here........I feel ICA is 100% guilty but my gut feeling has always been that she will would not be convicted.Have you ever thought of how you will feel if the verdict should come back NOT GUILY or hung jury? Honestly, I will be devastated and extremely angry. Justice will not have been served. And I can't imagine having to see JB walk out that courtroom with having the last laugh...Just curious if you have thought about how it will affect you emotionally? I cannot wait for this trial to end so I can move on with my life...it has consumed me.

 

[Studio_Medic]

Stacey Barker also a liar,party girl, family help in raising her baby,morphs for newest boyfriend of the month,cut baby's father out of Emma's life.She also tried to say Emma died by accident and she lied cause she was scared just like ICA.Loving mother in her own mind, she took the stand against her lawyers advice and she was found guilty of murdering her beautiful baby daughter Emma.Let's all keep our fingers crossed that ICA does the same.

Difference in that case and this one is the fact is: Stacey Barker finally admitted to killing her child. ICA has never admitted to killing Caylee and in my opinion she NEVER will!

 

[RSDhoping for a cure]

What is her new lie? Sorry, I may have missed it.

IMO the entire DT opening statement!

 

[LyndyLoo]

This is for those here are saying that Dr. G. said 100% of all accidental deaths were reported or 911 called..and they have been shown/told that Dr. G. did not say that..but was speaking about "Child Drownings"...so I found the video of her testimony..

Orange County's chief medical examiner testifies that in her experience, all of the child drowning cases she dealt with were reported to 911


http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28199337/video.html

I suggest everyone listen to this and decide for themselves just what she testified to...

 

[Melanie]

Thanks for posting this! And holy cow that is a creepy Casey photo in you sig.!

I absolutely agree with both statements. And the photo - OMG, it reminds me of the Grinch!




Mel

 

[Kat]

I can't find the thread for the actual trial today (yes I'm having an old lady moment!)

Can someone please post a link so I can go and read today's testimony? Thank you!

(off topic but missjames your sig picture of KC gives skeeves me out )

 

[Roze]

Perhaps this is wishful thinking because I can't bear to think of Caylee suffering, but I believe ICA did knock the baby out with chloroform with the sole intention of killing her and that it was premeditated.

I believe this for a few reasons. One, ICA didn't want a struggle or any noise/screaming that would draw attention with the neighbors. Two, in her own twisted way she wouldn't want Caylee to be aware of what she was doing to her because ICA cares too much about how she is perceived. I don't think she wanted the child to understand that Mommy was about to killer her.

So, IMO, the chloroform was used for purely selfish and convenient reasons. The duct tape was to make sure she didn't come out of it and it was put on with such force out of fear at what she was doing (killing her child) and of course anger.

I do believe it was premeditated and she had been thinking of doing it for months. June 16th was the day. ICA had the fight with her Mom. ICA wanted to bang her boyfriend in peace and party at Fusion. ICA decided she'd had "enough."

 

[Florida Native]

Talking about emotions here........I feel ICA is 100% guilty but my gut feeling has always been that she will would not be convicted.Have you ever thought of how you will feel if the verdict should come back NOT GUILY or hung jury? Honestly, I will be devastated and extremely angry. Justice will not have been served. And I can't imagine having to see JB walk out that courtroom with having the last laugh...Just curious if you have thought about how it will affect emotionally? I cannot wait for this trial to end so I can move on with my life...it has consumed me.

You and me too. I don't know what I'll do with my time once it is over.

Yes, I've thought about a not guilty or hung jury verdict. I was throw up. Seriously, it would make me physically ill. I just have to keep believing that there will be justice for Caylee.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I wonder if 3 pieces of duct tape were symbolic.1 for each family member who loved Caylee more then ICA or 1 for each year of the little snot heads life.
It may seem petty but typing ICA words make me hate her even more!

 

[MissJames]

Talking about emotions here........I feel ICA is 100% guilty but my gut feeling has always been that she will would not be convicted.Have you ever thought of how you will feel if the verdict should come back NOT GUILY or hung jury? Honestly, I will be devastated and extremely angry. Justice will not have been served. And I can't imagine having to see JB walk out that courtroom with having the last laugh...Just curious if you have thought about how it will affect emotionally? I cannot wait for this trial to end so I can move on with my life...it has consumed me.

Even if she IS convicted,WTH do WE do next. :crazy:

I believe in a Higher Power,Karma,and Justice. If she's not convicted there is a reason for it,but she will not get away with it.

 

[pcrum12]

Since we know the DT reads here:

ICA will admit, via JB, that GA placed Caylee in the backyard while ICA was hysterical with fear and sadness. GA left for work, telling ICA to get Caylee ready to be put somewhere where she wouldn't be found until they had their stories straight. GA threatened ICA. While GA was gone, ICA put the duct tape on Caylee to make it appear as a kidnapping, doing as GA demanded she do then placed the heart sticker as her goodbye. GA came home and took Caylee.

The pings; well JB will tell the jury, the pings are unreliable. That GA took the pontaic and ICAs cell phone and met up with Roy on Suburban Dr. Roy and GA met at the escort service. Yada, Yada, Yada ....

Yea, that's what happened. JB will be telling the story, while ICA musters up some pokey eye tears, using toilet (1 ply) tissue. :loser: :loser:

do you really think the DT is saying that RK is part of the conspiracy? I'm not getting that from the OS. My take is that they are saying that RK found the body and then had control over the body from Aug - Dec since the OCSO did not properly investigate the scene for months, so therefore the findings/evidence/forensics at the body location are unreliable.

 

[MissJames]

We will need rehab Maybe we can get a group rate at some place really beautiful.

 

[MsFacetious]

I think the duct tape situation is far too ambiguous, and I think the Huck ruling is comparing apples to oranges.

In this case we know the story featured a kidnapping story (whether it was true, or not). It is very possible, given the story ICA told, that the duct tape was nothing more than a way to make this look like a kidnapping. I think it folly to say 100% that there is no reason to place the duct tape post-mortem, when there is one reason (the kidnapping story) that is plain as day. Supporting that further would be the possibility of smaller hairs showing the wrists to be possibly bound, as well...again supporting a kidnap scenario.

The SA needs to decide, was it chloroform, or was it the tape? I'm hoping tomorrow is the final piece of the puzzle, but, right now, I just can't see how people can say the duct tape is issue is so black and white.

They don't need to choose. One is an aid to the other being the murder weapon.


It would be like if a guy gets his wife really drunk, adding sleeping pills to her drunk... then smothers her or drowns her in the bathtub.

He got her really drunk and drugged her so she would have a harder time fighting him when he smothered or drowned her...plus it might pass as a suicide.


In this case, she chloroformed her to knock her out.

Then she put duct tape on her to stop her breathing.

Because of the chloroform she is unable to take it off (but also unaware of what is happening, in my world.)

I think how it happened is simple. The "why" do it THAT way is where it gets a little tricky.


I believe that Casey was unable or unwilling to actually "do it" herself. (Having a heart, or culpability.)
She didn't want to strangle or smother her child.
She didn't want a mess so anything bloody was out of the question.
She needed something that wouldn't show up at autopsy later.
Something that would kill her without Casey in the room, because of the not wanting to do it herself.

Putting her IN the pool... could have been seen by a neighbor.

Finding a drug that wouldn't show up at autopsy, she'd have to obtain the drug.

I think Casey found the easiest, least hands on, least traceable at autopsy... way to kill her daughter. :twocents:

 

[MissDiva]

I hope the State takes longer than expected and wraps up with powerful testimony on June 16th.

 

[Florida Native]

Even if she IS convicted,WTH do WE do next. :crazy:

I believe in a Higher Power,Karma,and Justice. If she's not convicted there is a reason for it,but she will not get away with it.

Me too MissJames. I also believe that higher power is the reason we have this Judge, Jury, SA's, and witnesses. The right people are in the right place for justice for Caylee.

Still, that other side of me plays the 'what if' game sometimes.

 

[4realtho]

It was n't wrapping around her head per witness testimony.

It was wrapped far enough around her head to hold the mandible in place, per witness testimony.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM How then would you explain the adhesive backing that was found on the duct tape? Plastic hair clips don't have any adhesive :waitasec:

That's what she said but there is no proof of residue being on the tape. Why didn't the trace evidence dept. see the residue? Too bad a picture wasn't taken or some kind of test performed on the residue. It could have been heart shaped and she assumed it was a sticker. I have no idea. It just bothers me that the hair clip was found and was not compared to the heart shape on the tape.

It's hard for me to believe that in the FBI lab, if you see something unexpected, you move on to conduct your normal routine. I gasped when she said that - the FBI!
Do they have fricken robots working there? This is hard for me to comprehend.

 

[zippitydoda]

OT: That picture of ICA, with the witchy "come here my pretty" finger is freaking me out.