4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #83

[Balthazar]

Why do you say that? I've been busy and I've certainly missed a few things.

At this point, we don't know what size the foot print was, only that it existed and the sole was like a Vans shoe or Vans knock-off.

 

[U.N. Known]

LE found a latent print outside of DM's room which was consistent with Vans shoe soles (as well as some Vans knock offs.) The print would be where the intruder walked according to DM. What we don't know yet is what size shoe print it was and what the latent print consisted of. We only know the latent print exists. Honestly, I'm unsure of how LE wasl be able to tell that the print is from that night versus all the nights of partying that went on in that house unless it is somehow a latent shoe print that contains blood. I guess we will hear about this when this case goes to court.

I've always thought that the print is unrelated to the murders, in part due to the point you made. Many have said that they are sure that there were other footprints. If that's so, why use only the mentioned? Unless the killed dropped down from the 3rd floor and landed outside of DM's door, there should be other, more noticeable (not latent) prints before or after it, but still near her door. No one was injured in her room or particularly near her room, so if there is victim DNA/blood connected to that print, it had to come from one of the other rooms and should have been in the middle of or the end of a trail. That trail could just as easily corroborate DM's statement if that's the point of mentioning the print.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I didn't follow this case until the "surprise" announcement of Bryan Kohberger's arrest--a suspect so very different thatn who I expected.

Why do you characterize it as a surprise, and what kind of suspect did you expect?

Really trying to bridge the gap between perceptions here.

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[Balthazar]

I've always thought that the print is unrelated to the murders, in part due to the point you made. Many have said that they are sure that there were other footprints. If that's so, why use only the mentioned? Unless the killed dropped down from the 3rd floor and landed outside of DM's door, there should be other, more noticeable (not latent) prints before or after it, but still near her door. No one was injured in her room or particularly near her room, so if there is victim DNA/blood connected to that print, it had to come from one of the other rooms and should have been in the middle of or the end of a trail. That trail could just as easily corroborate DM's statement if that's the point of mentioning the print.

I would think that if the latent foot print IS blood, then there must be other foot prints in the house as the killer walked away from the victims. Perhaps footprints are what the CSI team was seen stepping around and swabbing in the living room near the staircase to the 1st floor? As to why the other likely footprints were not mentioned in the Affidavit, I would say because they didn't need to be. Remember the Affidavit is the bare bones evidence in order to get the suspect indicted. They will hold back everything else although it will later contribute to the court case.

I do remember initially it was said the killer left a mess. I have so many questions about so many other things in this case. For example, I still wonder if the jacket and glove found in back of the house were related to the murders? There is just so much we simply do not know about the investigation, evidence and what was found in and around the house and with the gag order, we're not going to find out more until the trial, if there is one.

'Sloppy' Idaho killer left 'mess of evidence' at 'chaotic crime scene'

Devastated parents of one of the victims of the University of Idaho massacre said killer was 'sloppy' - with cops blaming the Thanksgiving break for lack of leads.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[DizzyB]

I was concerned about the possibility of shoe prints being those of the friends that found Xana and Ethan as well as first responders.

 

[schooling]

I was concerned about the possibility of shoe prints being those of the friends that found Xana and Ethan as well as first responders.

IMO LE had plenty of time to look at the footwear of all KNOWN people who were present at the scene that early morning and early afternoon. Not following up would be legal malpractice. If it's in the PCA, it probably doesn't belong to any of them. If it's not in the PCA and other footprints do exist (highly likely) the Defense team has pictures/details/owner info.

I've always thought that the print is unrelated to the murders, in part due to the point you made. Many have said that they are sure that there were other footprints. If that's so, why use only the mentioned? Unless the killed dropped down from the 3rd floor and landed outside of DM's door, there should be other, more noticeable (not latent) prints before or after it, but still near her door. No one was injured in her room or particularly near her room, so if there is victim DNA/blood connected to that print, it had to come from one of the other rooms and should have been in the middle of or the end of a trail. That trail could just as easily corroborate DM's statement if that's the point of mentioning the print.

The PCA is not exhaustive. There are likely a lot more of the prints in the house from the suspects shoe.

It's common for LE to put in just enough to evidence to connect the dots pointing to the target of the PCA. Terabytes of data was turned over to the defense...and they are still asking for more....that tells me that there's a lot we don't know.

Particularly when you consider that the real investigation into BK (where he became the focus) didn't really get rolling until 12/23 (AT&T warrant)...as far as we know. So most of the digital evidence (financial records, social media, computer forensics, mobile forensics etc) specific to BK were likely not completely understood during the writing of the PCA.

They didn't even have physical access to his phone(s) or computer(s) at that point.

MOO

 

[U.N. Known]

Why do you characterize it as a surprise, and what kind of suspect did you expect?

Really trying to bridge the gap between perceptions here.

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I was surprised because I hadn't followed the case after the first couple of days and the national publicity had died down. Then "bam!" there was breaking news that there was an arrest.

AS for the kind of suspect, I didn't put that much thought into it; however, I did raise an eyebrow when I first heard that there were two survivors who were not at all physically injured. At the time, I figured they were involved in some way.

 

[U.N. Known]

The PCA is not exhaustive. There are likely a lot more of the prints in the house from the suspects shoe.

It's common for LE to put in just enough to evidence to connect the dots pointing to the target of the PCA. Terabytes of data was turned over to the defense...and they are still asking for more....that tells me that there's a lot we don't know.

Particularly when you consider that the real investigation into BK (where he became the focus) didn't really get rolling until 12/23 (AT&T warrant)...as far as we know. So most of the digital evidence (financial records, social media, computer forensics, mobile forensics etc) specific to BK were likely not completely understood during the writing of the PCA.

They didn't even have physical access to his phone(s) or computer(s) at that point.

MOO

Yes, I that is regularly pointed out..BUT, IMO it is not logical for them to omit all footprints before and/or after the one mentioned. There isn't even one additional print. If they wanted to connect the dots to point to BK (and perhaps corroborate DM's statement) why not include at least one other print?

Other parts of the PCA were very detailed from time stamps to 3-point turns. Why would they use the bare minimum on footprints? If there were multiple prints leading from or to one of the bedrooms, why only include a single print that needed two passes with two different chemicals to find? A walkway is better than a single stepping stone.

 

[PromotedPawn]

Yes, I that is regularly pointed out..BUT, IMO it is not logical for them to omit all footprints before and/or after the one mentioned. There isn't even one additional print. If they wanted to connect the dots to point to BK (and perhaps corroborate DM's statement) why not include at least one other print?

Other parts of the PCA were very detailed from time stamps to 3-point turns. Why would they use the bare minimum on footprints? If there were multiple prints leading from or to one of the bedrooms, why only include a single print that needed two passes with two different chemicals to find? A walkway is better than a single stepping stone.

One thought is that maybe the location of the print ties in to other evidence at the scene so it was relevant to the PCA. Was the shoe print in the general location of where DM says she saw the bushy eyebrow man?

MOO Speculating

 

[I'm Nobody]

July 21, DP notice deadline. 31 days until prosecutors have to go on the record whether or not State seeks DP.
AIUI If Judge JJ grants the D "stay" motion the DP notice clock is paused temporarily.
IDK if the DP notice clock pauses for any other reason?
So many great legal researchers & eagles here, please correct if this wrong.

JMO

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, I that is regularly pointed out..BUT, IMO it is not logical for them to omit all footprints before and/or after the one mentioned. There isn't even one additional print. If they wanted to connect the dots to point to BK (and perhaps corroborate DM's statement) why not include at least one other print?

Other parts of the PCA were very detailed from time stamps to 3-point turns. Why would they use the bare minimum on footprints? If there were multiple prints leading from or to one of the bedrooms, why only include a single print that needed two passes with two different chemicals to find? A walkway is better than a single stepping stone.

possibly because he may have bagged his shoes after his alleged killing spree and the imprint of the solve through the plastic bag may have left a particular type of of print that was substantially different from every other print there on that day.. that's what Im thinking, in any case..
I do think he took certain precautions because he knew he was planning a literal bloodbath and needed to leave as few tracks as possible.

 

[NCWatcher]

possibly because he may have bagged his shoes after his alleged killing spree and the imprint of the solve through the plastic bag may have left a particular type of of print that was substantially different from every other print there on that day.. that's what Im thinking, in any case..
I do think he took certain precautions because he knew he was planning a literal bloodbath and needed to leave as few tracks as possible.

I guess that's possible. It seems to me it would have been very hard to maneuver in "bagged shoes" though, especially on carpet. At least I can't imagine trying to move quickly and precisely in shoes covered with plastic bags. Better to just plan to get rid of the shoes. But if he did bag his shoes, and the latent footprint is really a "bag print" (and as a result hard to match to a particular pair of shoes) there still should have been more than one print as @U.N. Known pointed out. There should have been a line of bag prints showing his exit from the house with the bloodier bag prints nearer the victims and the latent bag prints farther away. While the location of the one latent print may correspond to an area where DM claimed to see a man, supposedly she also described his path out of the house. Weren't there any other prints, bag or otherwise, in the area she identified?
JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I was concerned about the possibility of shoe prints being those of the friends that found Xana and Ethan as well as first responders.

I am/was too until I realized the placement of those prints. Plus, if there is blood evidence on those prints (I'm not sure there will be as I think he would have worn shoe covers) that's pretty damning.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

possibly because he may have bagged his shoes after his alleged killing spree and the imprint of the solve through the plastic bag may have left a particular type of of print that was substantially different from every other print there on that day.. that's what Im thinking, in any case..
I do think he took certain precautions because he knew he was planning a literal bloodbath and needed to leave as few tracks as possible.

Jinx, I start reading from the last post backward we had the same thoughts.

 

[maskedwoman]

Agree… if it was our brother or son, I think you would almost go insane trying to think if you missed any major clues or behaviours …. Especially if there were none of the “know behaviours” like you mentioned above ….

And although it seems frustrating, and must be extremely hard for the victim‘s families, if it was our brother or son, I think you would want AT to fight as hard as she has / can …. to question all of the evidence … she is just doing her job …..

JMO

We don't know for sure that the sister did search his car, etc., as that information came from an anonymous source from ID's show. BK wrote on Re**it that he felt disconnected from everything, treated people badly and didn't care that he did so. If he treated his sisters like he treated other women he interacted with, they may have had a very poor relationship with him. We don't know.

Having said that, I think it's a mistake to assume families we don't know have healthy relationships. I had a relative who tormented his family. 10+ years older than me, he gave me the creeps. He had few friends his own age, was very odd, father helped him get a job that he barely kept. He would destroy things up for no reason. He put their cat in his sisters' bird's cage repeatedly until the cat finally ate the bird, set traps for his sister to trip her down steps, etc., and physically intimidated his parents so they would financially support him. That's as far as it went - I think. If her brother drove the same model car as someone who committed a murder, I wouldn't be surprised if she looked at him as a possible suspect. MOOooo

 

[NyxNY]

Has anyone given thought to AT initially asking for the date of the trial to begin on November 22? 11/22. 1122. 1122 King Road? Request by Bryan? Coincidence? I think I've been watching way too much YouTube. Link to full arraignment below. For context start listening at 11:55

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I doubt (MOO) that if we had no witness to a masked man that the latent footprint would have been mentioned at all. It was included only as corroboration for the witness's account.

I think, if we had no witness statement, it's possible that the floor could have been covered in bloody footprints and it would never have been included in the PCA.

So I don't fully understand why there's any confusion over why other footprints aren't mentioned.

 

[Sozo]

Has anyone given thought to AT initially asking for the date of the trial to begin on November 22? 11/22. 1122. 1122 King Road? Request by Bryan? Coincidence? I think I've been watching way too much YouTube. Link to full arraignment below. For context start listening at 11:55

That's not what Ms.Taylor said. She said that approximatly november 22 is the date the speedy trial time limit expires. That's why then she asked the judge to set the trial on october.

Under the speedy trial rule, trial must be provided within 6 months from entry of not guilty plea.

 

[NyxNY]

That's not what Ms.Taylor said. She said that approximatly november 22 is the date the speedy trial time limit expires. That's why then she asked the judge to set the trial on october.

Under the speedy trial rule, trial must be provided within 6 months from entry of not guilty plea.

Thanks. I was correct in that I've been watching way too much YouTube.

 

[Balthazar]

I was concerned about the possibility of shoe prints being those of the friends that found Xana and Ethan as well as first responders.

From the information released so far, I believe only Ethan's BF entered the house and it was he who found Ethan and Xana and he who escorted DM and BF from the house. The next to enter the house were LE as paramedics were told by LE to remain outside.