4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #83

[10ofRods]

Snipped by me for focus.

Thank you! That's good news. I'm not familiar with that particular test. So, will they also be able to test the blood and make sure it is from one of the victims as opposed to animal blood that could have come from something cooked in the kitchen previously, like a pack of steaks or something? (I noticed they had a grill outside on the patio.) Also would they be able to detect touch DNA from someone who maybe touched the bottom of the shoe putting it on?

Yes, absolutely. It would have been one of the first things they did. They did have the FBI mobile DNA testing van on site within a couple of days after the murders, IIRC.

I doubt they would be able to detect touch DNA in a latent footprint, but I suppose it's possible. Soles of the shoe would have all manner of things on it (although since they did have the sample from the sheath, they would have known what they were looking forward - so maybe).

IMO

 

[Chloegirl]

From the information released so far, I believe only Ethan's BF entered the house and it was he who found Ethan and Xana and he who escorted DM and BF from the house. The next to enter the house were LE as paramedics were told by LE to remain outside.

I've not heard those details in that order do you have a source for this? Very interesting if it was that controlled.

 

[Justice101]

If you're a criminal attorney, you definitely would not want me on on your jury. I'd ask all the questions: any evidence that did not show BK in the car, with the car, at the house specifically, I'd want (need) an explanation from the prosecutor, the defendant or LE.

That is perhaps why I didn't make it past voir dire on a 20 yrs -life felony the last time I was on jury duty.

yes, they throw out all in the jury pool who are prejudices for conviction regardless or overly obsessed with proving someone is innocent.. which is NOT the purpose of a trial.

 

[U.N. Known]

yes, they throw out all in the jury pool who are prejudices for conviction regardless or overly obsessed with proving someone is innocent.. which is NOT the purpose of a trial.

That is not at all the proper characterization of what I said.

The correct phrase for my thoughts/concern/questions as a juror, is an adherence to the US legal standard of the presumption of innocence until/unless presented with facts during a trial that prove otherwise.

THAT is the purpose of a trial.

 

[mickey2942]

IMO the the filing here suggests the D will be complying with the alibi request, ie that BK has an alibi.
The request is asking for an exception, and alternatively an extension of time to comply with the alibi request:

MOTION FOR AN EXCEPTION OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE TO EXTEND TIME FOR COMPLIANCE WITH LC. §19-519

IMO the D request for exception OR extra time is due to the amount of discovery they have to go through.

From the motion:
Since Mr. Kohberger’s arrest in late December the Prosecutor has disclosed 51 terabytes of information that includes thousands of pages of discovery, thousands ofphotographs, hundreds of hours of recordings, further, many gigabytes of electronic phone record and social media data has been disclosed. Discovery is voluminous and still ongoing.

The D will want to examine all the P evidence to make sure the alibi is as solid as possible. Identifying anything the prosecution has that supports his alibi and countering anything that might contradict his alibi. That requires them to go through every piece of evidence. And as AT stated in the motion, they need to determine how to deal with protected information. JMO

BK has nothing but time. I believe that he is allowed to have access to legal documents in relationship to his case (?).

 

[Balthazar]

I've not heard those details in that order do you have a source for this? Very interesting if it was that controlled.

EC's best friend even checked EC and XK's pulses in case they might somehow still be alive. I'm sure he was horribly shocked but he did his absolute best to do the right thing given the circumstances. He managed to keep it together in an unexpectedly terrifying and tragic situation. He's a hero in my book. As far as friends go, EC chose well.

Unknown ‘best friend’ called 911 after finding Idaho student Ethan Chapin murdered — not roommate Dylan Mortensen

Ethan Chapin was reportedly found dead in bed with his girlfriend Xana Kernodle by a longtime buddy, who went as far to check his pulse before calling 911.

nypost.com

A more detailed description of the circumstances of the 911 call:

 

[Balthazar]

This article is not 100% accurate, but I thought the verified comments from Ethan's SIL posted above were interesting and explain why Ethan's BF came over and what happened when he did: Idaho victims Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were found by best friend

 

[Balthazar]

I don't think has been linked here before but this article suggests that BK's lawyers are setting up for a Motion to Dismiss: Bryan Kohberger "laying groundwork" for motion to dismiss—Attorney

 

[girlhasnoname]

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This article is not 100% accurate, but I thought the verified comments from Ethan's SIL posted above were interesting and explain why Ethan's BF came over: Idaho victims Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were found by best friend

I don't believe D needs to explain herself or her actions to anyone except law enforcement, which she did that day. If you remember one of the first pressers where Police Chief Frye even spoke about the roommates, he said they may well be the key to solving the murders.

Why do people have such a hard time thinking that a roommate in a house with 5 others, who are used to throwing parties and having many visitors at any given time, would have thought some minor noises and Kaylees dog barking as a sign that there was a quadruple homicide happening? That's ludicrous. DM heard some noises, opened her door to check a couple of times and then locked it and went back to sleep. It's exactly what I've done in a sorority house many times, except I usually stuck a pair of earplugs in for good measure.

There weren't blood curdling screams, BK snuck in on MM and KG while they slept and killed them with probably very little if any noise, except the dog barking.

He proceeded downstairs and intentionally sought out Ethan and Xana's room (IMO), not realizing Xana was probably still awake after just getting her DD and using TikTok. Those are the voices DM heard I believe. BK killed Ethan first and then attacked Xana who might have been the only one of them awake enough at the time to put up any significant struggle.

ALL MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't think has been linked here before but this article suggests that BK's lawyers are setting up for a Motion to Dismiss: Bryan Kohberger "laying groundwork" for motion to dismiss—Attorney

I wouldn't have expected anything less of BK's Defense Team. I'm not surprised or worried about it.

A GJ doesn't convict the Defendant, it just finds probable cause to move to trial and the jurors will decide. The State has offered all the information the Defense is entitled to by law, but the Defense wants additional information re: juror names, backgrounds, etc.

They suggest the GJ may have been biased because the community was exposed to massive media coverage/exploitation, well, that happens in most high profile killings.

Stall tactic, BK has no reasonable alibi to offer.

EBM: Additional thoughts

ALL MOO

 

[SpiderFalcon]

From: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/061623 States Motion for Protective Order.pdf

 

[gliving]

• 06/16/2023 Defendants 4th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 06/16/2023 Order to File Defendants Exhibit
• 06/16/2023 States Motion for Protective Order
• 06/16/2023 States Response to Defendants 4th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 06/16/2023 States Response to Defendants Amended Motion
• 06/16/2023 Stipulated Motion

 

[Balthazar]

I don't believe D needs to explain herself or her actions to anyone except law enforcement, which she did that day. If you remember one of the first pressers where Police Chief Frye even spoke about the roommates, he said they may well be the key to solving the murders.

Why do people have such a hard time thinking that a roommate in a house with 5 others, who are used to throwing parties and having many visitors at any given time, would have thought some minor noises and Kaylees dog barking as a sign that there was a quadruple homicide happening? That's ludicrous. DM heard some noises, opened her door to check a couple of times and then locked it and went back to sleep. It's exactly what I've done in a sorority house many times, except I usually stuck a pair of earplugs in for good measure.

There weren't blood curdling screams, BK snuck in on MM and KG while they slept and killed them with probably very little if any noise, except the dog barking.

He proceeded downstairs and intentionally sought out Ethan and Xana's room (IMO), not realizing Xana was probably still awake after just getting her DD and using TikTok. Those are the voices DM heard I believe. BK killed Ethan first and then attacked Xana who might have been the only one of them awake enough at the time to put up any significant struggle.

ALL MOO

IMO, as a relative of one of the victims, EC's Sister-in-law is entitled to think and feel however she does and it is not our place on Websleuths to lecture, admonish or correct her. This is a victim friendly forum and she is a victim of this tragedy. Also her information about what occurred that day would have come straight from LE, EC's parents and probably also EC's BF who spoke at his funeral.

All IMO.

 

[Balthazar]

From: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/061623 States Motion for Protective Order.pdf
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This makes me wonder if the murderer may have been straddling MM. He may have entered the room, straddled her, drew his knife and either turned her over onto her back OR she may have sat up so he straddled her before drawing his knife. These are the two ways I would think the sheath would wind up partially under her body AND the comforter. That the sheath was face down indicates it was dislodged as he drew the knife. Anyone else have any other ideas about how this happened?

 

[kittythehare]

This makes me wonder if the murderer may have been straddling MM. He may have entered the room, straddled her, drew his knife and either turned her over onto her back OR she may have sat up so he straddled her before drawing his knife. These are the two ways I would think the sheath would wind up partially under her body AND the comforter. That the sheath was face down indicates it was dislodged as he drew the knife. Anyone else have any other ideas about how this happened?

I'm not sure how relevant it is?

 

[girlhasnoname]

IMO, as a relative of one of the victims, EC's Sister-in-law is entitled to think and feel however she does and it is not our place on Websleuths to lecture, admonish or correct her. This is a victim friendly forum and she is a victim of this tragedy. Also her information about what occurred that day would have come straight from LE, EC's parents and probably also EC's BF who spoke at his funeral.

All IMO.

I agree she is a victim, and I in no way admonished her. I am as much, or more than, victim friendly of any poster here.I just don't agree she has the legal right to demand an explanation of DM's actions.

DM is also a victim to the direct crime, she is also afforded the same victim friendly status.

 

[girlhasnoname]

<snipped & BBM> Wowzers

A traditional STR DNA comparison was done between the STR profile found on the Ka-Bar knife sheath and Defendant’s DNA. The comparison showed a statistical match - specifically, the STR profile is at least 5.37 octillion times more likely to be seen if Defendant is the source than if an unrelated individual randomly selected from the general population is the source.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/061623 States Motion for Protective Order.pdf

 

[Balthazar]

• 06/16/2023 Defendants 4th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 06/16/2023 Order to File Defendants Exhibit
• 06/16/2023 States Motion for Protective Order
• 06/16/2023 States Response to Defendants 4th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 06/16/2023 States Response to Defendants Amended Motion
• 06/16/2023 Stipulated Motion

It's interesting that the latest area of concern seems to be the way the DNA led to BK.
BK claims there is exculpatory information. Does it somehow relate to the DNA?

IDK where this is leading. Evil twin? Another family member? JK, but, not completely.

All JMO.

I'm not sure how relevant it is?

The location of the sheath on the bed and that it was face down may indicate how it got where it was found giving a clearer picture of what happened. JMO.

 

[Chloegirl]

I wouldn't have expected anything less of BK's Defense Team. I'm not surprised or worried about it.

A GJ doesn't convict the Defendant, it just finds probable cause to move to trial and the jurors will decide. The State has offered all the information the Defense is entitled to by law, but the Defense wants additional information re: juror names, backgrounds, etc.

They suggest the GJ may have been biased because the community was exposed to massive media coverage/exploitation, well, that happens in most high profile killings.

Stall tactic, BK has no reasonable alibi to offer.

EBM: Additional thoughts

ALL MOO

Anyone ever say when/what timeframe the GJ was gathered?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Anyone ever say when/what timeframe the GJ was gathered?

They issued the indictment on May 16th. I'd say they would have started jury selection, witness testimony, etc sometime during March/April. Just a guess though.

Maybe one of our legal eagles @gitana1 can weigh in on this question.