My impression of this case has always been that it is an outlier. It is unusual to have one person allegedly killing 4 people the first time they ever attempted murder with a knife and/or possibly some other weapon used to kill Kaylee:
In this case, Kaylee, apparently suffered overkill, according to her father. Kaylee Goncalves' injuries 'more brutal' than other Idaho students
In this case the killer went to MM's bedroom and allegedly killed MM first, but the overkill was reserved for KG. Why? Was KG actually the target? Or was the actual target MM and KG had somehow wrecked things so the killer could not have a relationship (in his mind) with MM? These are all questions that I hope will be answered in the trial.
I decided to do a little research on overkill and found these interesting statements about the victims and perpetrators of overkill:
The type of damage could be linked to the sole action of a cold weapon or the simultaneous use of multiple harmful tools with no significant differences. With a similar percentage, the victim’s body was usually found inside their home or on the street.
The type of damage could be linked to the sole action of a cold weapon or the simultaneous use of multiple harmful tools with no significant differences. With a similar percentage, the victim’s body was usually found inside their home or on the street.
"5.2. Profile of the Perpetrator
In more than 90% of the cases, the perpetrator of an overkill was an adult male aged between 20 and 50, more likely in the 20–35 range (65% of cases). If more than one person was involved in the murder, they were usually acquaintances/friends of the victim. When the crime was committed by a single person, there was a significant increase in family or sentimental relationships between the killer and the victim. When the perpetrator and the victim were strangers, the action was usually committed in a group, and it was linked to mafia or criminal clans’ activities. The most common motive proved to be a dispute for futile reasons; however, in the case of a single perpetrator of the crime, the economic and passionate motives were as frequent as the previous one."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I've been going back over the case from the beginning and re-reading all the press. There are all kinds of little nuggets of information out there such as this one:
"'I'm not a professional, so I want to specify that, but they've said the entry point was the slider or the window. It was the middle floor. So, to me, he doesn't have to go upstairs,' he said. (quoting Mr. Goncalves) 'His entry and exit are available without having to go upstairs or downstairs. "
www.dailymail.co.uk
Some of us thought Mr. Goncalves meant the kitchen window, but now, IMO, I think Mr. G. may have meant the window to XK's room which led to a wide ledge/part of the roof of the 1st floor and the ladder which was leaning against the side of the house.
I've been trying to find a case more similar to the Idaho 4 case as I feel it is such an outlier - 1 person allegedly killing 4 people up close and personal with a knife and apparently beating at least one of the victims (although I don't know if a weapon was used for that) and it is apparently their first murder(s). Last night I was watching John Carpenter's Suburban Screams (re-enacted documentary) Episode 2 about serial killer Allan Legere, but even Legere's first murder (an attempted double homicide that resulted in the death of only 1 victim) was committed along with two accomplices in the midst of a robbery. He seems mainly to have killed and/or sexually assaulted vulnerable elderly people, mostly women he could easily control. Allan Legere - Wikipedia
Ted Bundy's first murder was either one woman or two women. He didn't start killing more than 2 at one time until he was 4 years into his killing spree.
If you believe it was 1 woman: The Sheer Number Of Crimes Ted Bundy Actually Committed Is WILD
If you believe it was 2 women: Did Ted Bundy's Murder Spree Begin With Two College Girls In New Jersey?
I've also been reading "While Idaho Slept" by J Reuben Appleman (a local). One of the most interesting aspects of this book, which I am only partially through so far, is that it describes the house that DM saw that night each of the 3 times she opened her door as being completely dark each time she opens the door except for light from the night sky coming in the windows. There is no mention of the Good Vibes sign in the living room or fairy lights on the patio being on. I wonder how the murderer was able to move around that house in the dark without tripping - especially on the awkward step down from the living room into the little hall outside the kitchen and DM's bedroom at the foot of the stairs to the top floor without being very familiar with that house? The description in the book says each time DM opened her door, the house was dark.
All JMO.
In this case, Kaylee, apparently suffered overkill, according to her father. Kaylee Goncalves' injuries 'more brutal' than other Idaho students
In this case the killer went to MM's bedroom and allegedly killed MM first, but the overkill was reserved for KG. Why? Was KG actually the target? Or was the actual target MM and KG had somehow wrecked things so the killer could not have a relationship (in his mind) with MM? These are all questions that I hope will be answered in the trial.
I decided to do a little research on overkill and found these interesting statements about the victims and perpetrators of overkill:
5.1. Profile of the Victim
The victim of overkill cases was usually a male adult aged between 20 and 35 years, or between 50 and 55 years (64% of cases fall into one of these age groups). The number of wounds on the body was usually remarkable, an average of 18, and they are typically localized in the chest and upper limbs, probably as a result of defense.The type of damage could be linked to the sole action of a cold weapon or the simultaneous use of multiple harmful tools with no significant differences. With a similar percentage, the victim’s body was usually found inside their home or on the street.
The type of damage could be linked to the sole action of a cold weapon or the simultaneous use of multiple harmful tools with no significant differences. With a similar percentage, the victim’s body was usually found inside their home or on the street.
"5.2. Profile of the Perpetrator
In more than 90% of the cases, the perpetrator of an overkill was an adult male aged between 20 and 50, more likely in the 20–35 range (65% of cases). If more than one person was involved in the murder, they were usually acquaintances/friends of the victim. When the crime was committed by a single person, there was a significant increase in family or sentimental relationships between the killer and the victim. When the perpetrator and the victim were strangers, the action was usually committed in a group, and it was linked to mafia or criminal clans’ activities. The most common motive proved to be a dispute for futile reasons; however, in the case of a single perpetrator of the crime, the economic and passionate motives were as frequent as the previous one."
Profiling Players Involved in Overkill: An Analysis of 71 Cases in Central Italy
“Overkill” is characterized by the finding of excessive wounds on the victim’s body. Despite the large use of this term, it does not have a definition in the literature yet. Our study aimed to analyze the information related to ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I've been going back over the case from the beginning and re-reading all the press. There are all kinds of little nuggets of information out there such as this one:
"'I'm not a professional, so I want to specify that, but they've said the entry point was the slider or the window. It was the middle floor. So, to me, he doesn't have to go upstairs,' he said. (quoting Mr. Goncalves) 'His entry and exit are available without having to go upstairs or downstairs. "
Kaylee Goncalves' injuries 'more brutal' than other Idaho students
According to NewsNation's Brian Entin, who interviewed her family over the weekend, Kaylee was more severely injured than Xana Kernodle, her boyfriend Ethan Chapin or even Maddie Mogen.
Some of us thought Mr. Goncalves meant the kitchen window, but now, IMO, I think Mr. G. may have meant the window to XK's room which led to a wide ledge/part of the roof of the 1st floor and the ladder which was leaning against the side of the house.
I've been trying to find a case more similar to the Idaho 4 case as I feel it is such an outlier - 1 person allegedly killing 4 people up close and personal with a knife and apparently beating at least one of the victims (although I don't know if a weapon was used for that) and it is apparently their first murder(s). Last night I was watching John Carpenter's Suburban Screams (re-enacted documentary) Episode 2 about serial killer Allan Legere, but even Legere's first murder (an attempted double homicide that resulted in the death of only 1 victim) was committed along with two accomplices in the midst of a robbery. He seems mainly to have killed and/or sexually assaulted vulnerable elderly people, mostly women he could easily control. Allan Legere - Wikipedia
Ted Bundy's first murder was either one woman or two women. He didn't start killing more than 2 at one time until he was 4 years into his killing spree.
If you believe it was 1 woman: The Sheer Number Of Crimes Ted Bundy Actually Committed Is WILD
If you believe it was 2 women: Did Ted Bundy's Murder Spree Begin With Two College Girls In New Jersey?
I've also been reading "While Idaho Slept" by J Reuben Appleman (a local). One of the most interesting aspects of this book, which I am only partially through so far, is that it describes the house that DM saw that night each of the 3 times she opened her door as being completely dark each time she opens the door except for light from the night sky coming in the windows. There is no mention of the Good Vibes sign in the living room or fairy lights on the patio being on. I wonder how the murderer was able to move around that house in the dark without tripping - especially on the awkward step down from the living room into the little hall outside the kitchen and DM's bedroom at the foot of the stairs to the top floor without being very familiar with that house? The description in the book says each time DM opened her door, the house was dark.
All JMO.
