Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #178

[Ravenmoon]

As to the DNA questions:

On Thursday, investigators say they had recovered DNA evidence from the Delphi crime scene where two girls, 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German, were found murdered.


Source:

DNA evidence is top priority in Delphi murder investigation

They couldn't find a match because RA wasn't in the system!

 

[lightofmine99]

I must criticize the insinuation that RA can't be BG because "nobody" sent in a tip for him of 12K recieved in a highly publicized murder case.

We all know murderers never ever go unknown until the 11th hour, and again as we all know, people never say "Wow the woman in that CCTV footage the police posted looks an awful lot like my neighbor, but that can't be her!" How many people have come forward to say "Wow I never would've suspected him" or "Yeah he was a bit odd but I thought he was harmless" when they find out someone close to them is a serial killer?

MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

Oh, it was!
I was pointing out that RA went to DD prior to the photo being released!

Ohh yes, so sorry Ravenmoon, my mind is still reeling from today's defense filing.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Defense's Post-Hearing Memorandum for Contempt Hearing, Hennessy
and
Appendix

Memorandum:
Post Hearing Memo defense.pdf

Appendix:
Appendix post hearing brief.pdf.pdf

Oh my word. That appendix is full of names of POIs. What is the context?

I had to giggle at “Gary Beaudette, most prodigious leaker of all.”

Fig must be quite proud.

 

[Emma Peel]

Memo
Post Hearing Memo defense.pdf

Appendix
Appendix post hearing brief.pdf.pdf

FWIW -
Todays memorandum provides some detail on the Contempt hearing (that there's no transcript or recording available of ... yet). Leak facts that have not previously available. Such as: Forston's messages discuss Messer.

It appears the Appendix linked provided above - with the Memo link - are 70 messages from Forston. Some very curious bits of stuff there.


Below, a Hennessy sound bite flourish from today's memorandum.
Also Rozzi testimony. Expert's testimony on practice.
Denied testimony from LE.

(much more in the memorandum text)

It is understandable that Mr. McLeland and Judge Gull may have taken umbrage at the
press release due to prior unrecorded conversations in chambers. “However, the contempt power
‘does not lie to sooth the wounded sensibilities of a Judge...’ Grimm v. State, 162 N.E2d 454
(Ind. 1959), Acccord Mockabee v. State 80 N.E.3d 917, 921 (Ind. Ct. App. 2017)

Mr. Rozzi testified about an in-chambers meeting with Judge Gull, Brad Rozzi, Andrew
Baldwin, Nick McLeland and perhaps one other prosecutor involved in the case early on. Mr.
Rozzi testified that during that meeting, Judge Gull clarified that the parties could share
information and brainstorm with anyone; that the intention of the gag order was only to prevent
the parties from holding press conferences, sending out future press releases and conducting
interviews with media.

Additionally, Sgt. Holeman and Mr. Mullins testified that they were aware that Mr.
McLeland was exchanging information with Gary Beaudette, the most prodigious leaker of all.
The Court would not allow evidence of the substance of those communications.

Each of those lawyers testified it was standard practice for criminal defense attorneys and
their regular practice to establish a separate area in their offices to spread out the discovery and
anticipated evidence for trial preparation. They had never thought to secure the area because they
never expected a betrayal like Mr. Baldwin suffered. No one expects to be betrayed
Eight additional experienced criminal defense attorneys echoed the testifying lawyers
with affidavits that were not admitted.

 

[Emma Peel]

I’m only at the line about the “wounded sensibilities of a judge”… geesh

that's a citation, to be fair.

 

[sunshineray]

Memo
Post Hearing Memo defense.pdf

Appendix
Appendix post hearing brief.pdf.pdf

FWIW -
Todays memorandum provides some detail on the Contempt hearing (that there's no transcript or recording available of ... yet). Leak facts that have not previously available. Such as: Forston's messages discuss Messer.

It appears the Appendix linked provided above - with the Memo link - are 70 messages from Forston. Some very curious bits of stuff there.


Below, a Hennessy sound bite flourish from today's memorandum.
Also Rozzi testimony. Expert's testimony on practice.
Denied testimony from LE.

(much more in the memorandum text)

Some very curious bits of stuff there? I see a lot of conjecture, some slander and then some outright leaks of protected information...yes more leaks but from the defense lawyer of the defense lawyers this time. My goodness when will it stop?

 

[steeltowngirl]

I feel creeped out by the appendix. It’s like someone broke into my iPad and stole some of my Abby and Libby case notes! Eeeekkk

 

[katydid23]

16,000 tips and not one of RA? Wow! I mean, it's so obvious he's BG! JMO

Are we sure that RA was never tipped in?

 

[sunshineray]

Oh my word. That appendix is full of names of POIs. What is the context?

I had to giggle at “Gary Beaudette, most prodigious leaker of all.”

Fig must be quite proud.

The man who died, his texts with a purported unknown. I believe that's what it said in the memorandum

 

[vinayd]

that's a citation, to be fair.

I know just sounded a bit snippy but I will study up on the quote

ETA.. def a bit snippy lol! So basically telling judge to get out of her feelings.

 

[Boxer]

That one has a pretty good shot of the bench. IYO, which way does it look like it's facing?

He had to pass them before he got to the bench.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Ummmm .. can someone please help me understand what the heck I am reading?

I was so hyper focused on looking at the early days of the crime that these new fillings went straight over my head!

How are we seeing what appears to be texts or notes from someone that is close to the case?

Help?!

 

[FrostedGlass]

Memo
Post Hearing Memo defense.pdf

Appendix
Appendix post hearing brief.pdf.pdf

FWIW -
Todays memorandum provides some detail on the Contempt hearing (that there's no transcript or recording available of ... yet). Leak facts that have not previously available. Such as: Forston's messages discuss Messer.

It appears the Appendix linked provided above - with the Memo link - are 70 messages from Forston. Some very curious bits of stuff there.


Below, a Hennessy sound bite flourish from today's memorandum.
Also Rozzi testimony. Expert's testimony on practice.
Denied testimony from LE.

(much more in the memorandum text)

I'll say one for RF, he sure got around on the net. I've never heard of some of the people he mentioned.
There are sure a lot of interesting tidbits in there.

This one is my 3rd favorite; I laughed, too.
18. “I like the delusion about how much a picture of KK is worth! Ha. Ha.”

 

[sunshineray]

Ummmm .. can someone please help me understand what the heck I am reading?

I was so hyper focused on looking at the early days of the crime that these new fillings went straight over my head!

How are we seeing what appears to be texts or notes from someone that is close to the case?

Help?!

We're seeing texts that we only know one side was the man who died tragically. The other side is stated as being unknown. I believe it's MW texting with the man he leaked info to, discussing it...but you're only seeing one side I think? That parts not clear. JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

I feel creeped out by the appendix. It’s like someone broke into my iPad and stole some of my Abby and Libby case notes! Eeeekkk

Some of those do look really familiar, don't they?

 

[layer]

Oh, it was!
I was pointing out that RA went to DD prior to the photo being released!

It was for sure!
Do we know exactly when DD talked to RA?

 

[Ravenmoon]

It was for sure!
Do we know exactly when DD talked to RA?

Exactly when?
No. ...
Unfortunately, I don't know if exact day and time are known but from the information that we do have, I could speculate probably before 7 PM February 16th.

JMO

 

[Emma Peel]

The Defense has been strategic with this Contempt matter. They're loaded for argument; they take arrows from the State, catch 'em, throw 'em back, and maybe even capitalize.

It's chess, not checkers. It's fair. If it wasn't fair, Gull would intervene and toss/seal filings.

The State may regret re-litigating the Contempt gambit ... opening the door for this side show.
Still, the State has everything it needs; facts/evidence/experts ... plow ahead with pre-trial activity.
Do THAT. And not the sideshow stuff.

JMHO

 

[Gardenista]

And it has just reached a level even I, who's so jaded about this defense, could never have imagined. It's despicable. AJMO

They are SO bad that I just had a twinge of sympathy for RA. It quickly passed, though because I can't stand that abusive jerk. I'm not sure I've ever seen a defense that is such a mess (other than a pro se defendant.)

Schoenhorn in the Troconis trial was bad pretrial too, similarly with repetitive filings and doing his woe is me in those numerous motions to dismiss etc... With Schoenhorn though, I could tell he is not an unintelligent person. If I'm being complete fair, the repetitive woe is normal pretrial. However these guys just seem flat out incompetent, seriously, wth?