Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

[FrostedGlass]

Supposedly one of the confessions was made in a letter he wrote to the warden, and the other was made to his prison psychiatrist. The one to the warden, if found to be true, makes me believe he wanted to confess and plead Guilty. JMO

Jail confessions highlight Delphi hearing

DELPHI — Indiana guidelines recommend an inmate can spend up to 30 days in restrictive housing, also known as solitary confinement, before their situation is reevaluated. Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen spent 12 months in solitary confinement during his time at Westville Correctional...

www.yahoo.com

During Galipeau’s testimony, the former warden said he heard Allen personally make around “three to five” incriminating statements during his time at WCF, adding Allen used the girls’ names but offered no specific details beyond that.

Galipeau also testified he never documented the statements made by Allen, though he’s unsure if any of the inmates monitoring Allen’s cell did.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Serial killers often pose the victims. To do with the whole possessiveness that's often a part of it.

Do they commonly do this before or after they murder their victims?

 

[sunshineray]

Would love to stay and debate but pain meds are saying NOPE. Have a good night/morning E1 and play nice.

Sorry to hear you're in pain, hope you feel better soon <3

 

[Sweeper2000]

This article has statements on what else libbie had recorded.

Man Accused Of Delphi Murders Confessed In Prison Calls To His Family, DA Says

Prosecutors also revealed in recently released documents that a knife was used in the killings of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

"Another detail from Libby’s bridge video was included in a prosecutors’ motion in the documents trove: In addition to one of the girls saying “gun,” investigators believed they could hear “the sound of a gun being cycled.” Other documents identify the clothes taken from the crime scene: a sock and underwear, and reveal that Libby’s phone was found beneath her body."

 

[snarast]

Serial killers often pose the victims. To do with the whole possessiveness that's often a part of it.

If RA did it, he might not be a serial killer.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Do they commonly do this before or after they murder their victims?

It's afterward normally as a last act of humiliation or ownership. Can also be used as a weapon of shock against LE or the public.

 

[sunshineray]

He ended up being medicated as well so he can't have been making it up each and every time.

Yes I believe he was suicidal at some point which is why he was put on watch. Dr. W also said she saw his condition improve. So did the warden, RA started eating again and exercising. (his July 15, 2023 testimony)

 

[Sweeper2000]

If RA did it, he might not be a serial killer.

It's difficult to say with nothing solid being presented but I doubt this is a first time for this person. It sounds coordinated and experienced. "Guys down the hill" so cold so calculated not the rush one would expect from a first timer. Just speculation though. If the bodies were staged I would be very surprised if this person didn't have experience with it.

 

[sunshineray]

Thank you for the reply but my post that you quoted had nothing to do with them leaving the area. I was asking about the bodies being moved and staged according the the FBI/RL PCA.

Here's a question for you: If there was minimal moving of the girls' bodies post death, then when did the moving and staging happen and for what purpose?

At the hearings, the blood expert Cisero said Libby was dragged a distance (probably from an area by a tree her blood was found on), thru her numerous pools of blood, to the spot she was found.

 

[sunshineray]

It's difficult to say with nothing solid being presented but I doubt this is a first time for this person. It sounds coordinated and experienced. "Guys down the hill" so cold so calculated not the rush one would expect from a first timer. Just speculation though. If the bodies were staged I would be very surprised if this person didn't have experience with it.

I've also entertained this over the years. Who starts with a crime like this in their late 40's? It does seem odd but then I don't really know all there is to know about RA or serial killer statistics.

 

[sunshineray]

Patrick Cicero - Blood Splatter Specialist

When on the stand when being cross examined:

a: He admitted it was just an alternate theory of the blood transfer - he couldn't say for certain that that's what happened.

b: He also agreed to it being a chaotic scene when it was put to him and also answered: "Yes" to it being impossible for him to recreate the scene.

Mindful and honest it seems.

I wonder how well, how detailed RA has described it?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes I believe he was suicidal at some point which is why he was put on watch. Dr. W also said she saw his condition improve. So did the warden, RA started eating again and exercising. (his July 15, 2023 testimony)

Yep, right in time for his Motion to Transfer and Motion to LetBail Hearing June 13th or 15th. Another coincidence.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

This article has statements on what else libbie had recorded.

Man Accused Of Delphi Murders Confessed In Prison Calls To His Family, DA Says

Prosecutors also revealed in recently released documents that a knife was used in the killings of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

"Another detail from Libby’s bridge video was included in a prosecutors’ motion in the documents trove: In addition to one of the girls saying “gun,” investigators believed they could hear “the sound of a gun being cycled.” Other documents identify the clothes taken from the crime scene: a sock and underwear, and reveal that Libby’s phone was found beneath her body."

RA has since said, in one of his confessions/incriminating statements that he used a box cutter.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I've also entertained this over the years. Who starts with a crime like this in their late 40's? It does seem odd but then I don't really know all there is to know about RA or serial killer statistics.

It's also relevant to the "gun" seemingly present. The knife is a much much more personal way of killing, the gun is easier and less messy and done at distance. For one to be present but not used suggests it's a method of control used to gain power "points gun" "guys down the hill" then once thats achieved out comes the knife. The knife probably quieter so good for not arousing suspicion. Really sounds like someone who knew what he was doing.

 

[MiniMoo]

I wonder how well, how detailed RA has described it?

That I can't answer for you.

 

[snarast]

It's difficult to say with nothing solid being presented but I doubt this is a first time for this person. It sounds coordinated and experienced. "Guys down the hill" so cold so calculated not the rush one would expect from a first timer. Just speculation though. If the bodies were staged I would be very surprised if this person didn't have experience with it.

Just based on his behavior afterwards - he certainly seems fearful and he’s expressing that. But please point me to a serial killer with that type of post arrest behaviour.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder how well, how detailed RA has described it?

I think RA made accurate confessions to wife and mom right around State's Discovery but probably left the goriest of details out or anything that might relate to SA. I believe once RA's family and DT convinced him to stop, I think RA might have gone around giving intentional falsities to people in the prison in his confessions to negate the ones he made to his own family.

He knows good and well Abby & Libby were not shot, even from Discovery, and the fact that he knows he killed them with some type of bladed weapon. IMO

I still stand by the fact that RA is a wolf in sheep's clothing and the trial will bring other evidence of his actions to light. He was hiding in plain sight just like LE, ISP and the FBI said he would be. Somehow and in some way, that final piece of the puzzle fell into place and they got him.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

It's also relevant to the "gun" seemingly present. The knife is a much much more personal way of killing, the gun is easier and less messy and done at distance. For one to be present but not used suggests it's a method of control used to gain power "points gun" "guys down the hill" then once thats achieved out comes the knife. The knife probably quieter so good for not arousing suspicion. Really sounds like someone who knew what he was doing.

Being the location he was, a public trail, and him seeing hikers, I think the gun was used to first abduct the girls from the bridge "Guys, down the hill" and the sound of a gun being cycled, and then to get the girls to strip at the crime scene (the bullet found in the area of the bodies). So he brought it possibly just to intimidate. Considering his smaller stature, that makes sense to me. MO

 

[FrostedGlass]

At the hearings, the blood expert Cisero said Libby was dragged a distance (probably from an area by a tree her blood was found on), thru her numerous pools of blood, to the spot she was found.

In your opinion, what was so important about that spot that he dragged her body there?
I'm having a real hard time trying to imagine why the killer did that.

 

[girlhasnoname]

RA has since said, in one of his confessions/incriminating statements that he used a box cutter.

That's one of those statements that I think could possibly be intentionally false. Ricky had quite a unique knife collection as noted by the SW.

There is a reason this DT has fought like rabid dogs to get that SW thrown out, considering their client is factually innocent, why would they still be so overly concerned? Nothing to see here at an innocent man's home. Something they recovered during that search ties RA to the scene IMO.

JMO