Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

[FrostedGlass]

This was presented in a motion or several motions by the defense and nothing came of it? Or is the motion pending? What an absolute disaster! During the time he made these 60+ confessions, he was eating his feces and receiving injected psychotropics, AND the psychologist's request to move him to a different facility was denied?! What is going on in Indiana??

The defense tried to get him out of Westville but the judge denied those motions, only finally changing her mine recently. Those are shown in the record.

I don't know why they denied the psychologists request.

Indiana isn't always this bad but most cases don't get near the attention that this one has so I have no idea about other cases. Except for one where this man was placed in jail while suffering a mental break, condition deteriorated and ended up losing his life. Joshua Mclemore's case is here; I followed it.

MOO

 

[m00c0w]

The state is the only one who needs a strong case. They alone have the burden of proof.

While technically true, RA put himself very near the scene of the crime in BG’s clothes. Witnesses corroborated this. Defense has to dig themselves out of a hole, and to do that they need a convincing theory of why the state’s case (and RA tipping himself in) are wrong. If the defense is still trying to deflect to Odinists, they 100% have their own burdens they must meet in order to introduce third party culpability at trial.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

I am amazed that claimed it was F to begin with. Its also not painted or would be a lot clearer to see.

Unfortunately wild speculation by counsel is all too common these days.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

While technically true, RA put himself very near the scene of the crime in BG’s clothes. Witnesses corroborated this. Defense has to dig themselves out of a hole, and to do that they need a convincing theory of why the state’s case (and RA tipping himself in) are wrong. If the defense is still trying to deflect to Odinists, they 100% have their own burdens they must meet in order to introduce third party culpability at trial.

MOO

Agreed - they need at least an evidential foundation they can point to IMO

Otherwise it's just "testimony by counsel".

MOO

 

[Willow Knight]

I guess if there were an Odin he wouldn’t be too pleased to have such illiterate followers. Can’t even write the alphabet.

Wonder if Odin read the Brief, curious how he would feel knowing the EXPERTS gave him Thor's Hammer?!?

 

[SouthEnd]

IIRC, Dr Wala said it was Haldol.

What is Haldol mainly used for?


Haloperidol treats schizophrenia and manages tics and vocal outbursts if you're diagnosed with Tourette's syndrome. It can also treat behavioral issues among children. This medication comes in a tablet form that you can take by mouth with a glass of water as directed. The brand name of haloperidol is Haldol®.

Haloperidol (Haldol): Uses & Side Effects - Cleveland Clinic​

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Thank you so much for this! It seems to be a Dopamine receptor blocking anti-psychotic.

Haloperidol - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

It would be fantastic if we had any medical professionals to give us any more information, like does it make the patient more susceptible to suggestions, but IMO, having NO hands-on experience with anti-psychotics in particular, I would doubt that.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't think his lawyers will let him sign a plea agreement where his sentence can't be appealed. And as fas as RA's not wanting his family members from hearing the gory details of what he did to the girls, they could probably just leace tge courtroom, like they did at the hearings when Cisero took the stand. MO

Which I thought was a total cop out. If RA is 'your person' and you are supporting him, listen to all of the testimony. IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

While reading, my hope is down, that we ever will learn of the girls' true fate .... He will end up in a psychiatric hospital, I think.
When he says, he is innocent, but is confessing x times, that shows also his mental constitution somehow, IMO.

RA was functioning at a normal level in Feb 2017 by all indications, steady employment, financially solid (paid for home), able to travel, participated in socializing down at the local pub for pool tournaments. He will be tried on his actions of Feb 13th 2017, not today.

I believe his psychosis was in part the reality of seeing in black and white exactly what the State's case had on him, the fear of abandonment by his wife, mother, family, public finding out HE is BG after all the years of hiding in plain sight and in part theatrics in order to bolster his current claim of mental duress.

Wolf in sheep's clothing.

JMO

 

[susiQ]

I, too, doubt that we will learn their true fate. Maybe, somewhere within his confessions, there is something that will click.

I think they made a major error when they incarcerated him in Westville and it will come back to bite them.
MOO

I sure hope it comes back to “bite them” in the hind quarters. What they did to him was unconstitutional and detrimental to his mental health as we have read. And even when in conversation with Wala, she was only allowed to see him through a small crack in his door. In her early days of working with him, how on earth could she evaluate his mental state properly. Yes, she did state that in the beginning she considered he “may” be faking mental illness, but how could she tell?? She could barely see him!!

I am not at all surprised that he confessed 61 + times. Maybe in his very broken down mind the torture would stop. Very interesting that Galipeau did not find it worthwhile to document the statements RA made. Why the heck not? Were they so “off the wall” that anyone would realize he was in full psychosis? Did he say things that didn’t line up with knowledge of the CS?? People often distort the truth by leaving half of what was said out. And to top it off, there’s no audio of exactly what Galipeau said to RA.

The confessions will likely not get thrown out, but neither will the treatment RA received prior to making said “confessions.”

All MOO.

 

[susiQ]

Well, they appeared to be living together in harmony for 5 1/2 years despite his struggle with depression. You don’t toss a lifetime partnership because your spouse suffers from depression that by all accounts he sought medical help for. She continues to support him through this nightmare. JMHO

 

[susiQ]

Imagine....if the psychotic episodes.....were the direct result of RA's conscience rising to the surface.....revealing to him exactly what he had done to those two girls. The reality of what he had done, the come to Jesus moment, the thoughts of eternity, the confessions, the confusion of his loved one's responses, the psychotic episodes.....were they all not in the same general time frame?

Imagine the psychotic episodes were the result of solitary confinement for months on end and tasing. Imagine in his broken mind he thought, “if I confess, they’ll stop doing this to me, the pain will stop.” Then imagine, if you can, he’s innocent of this brutal crime. JMHO

 

[Salah11]

Imagine the psychotic episodes were the result of solitary confinement for months on end and tasing. Imagine in his broken mind he thought, “if I confess, they’ll stop doing this to me, the pain will stop.” Then imagine, if you can, he’s innocent of this brutal crime. JMHO

Yes of course “innocent”

He just happened to be dressed as the killer and on the bridge at the same time as the killer. That would be absolutely remarkable if true.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

RA was functioning at a normal level in Feb 2017 by all indications, steady employment, financially solid (paid for home), able to travel, participated in socializing down at the local pub for pool tournaments. He will be tried on his actions of Feb 13th 2017, not today.

I believe his psychosis was in part the reality of seeing in black and white exactly what the State's case had on him, the fear of abandonment by his wife, mother, family, public finding out HE is BG after all the years of hiding in plain sight and in part theatrics in order to bolster his current claim of mental duress.

Wolf in sheep's clothing.

JMO

Agree to all this.

The fact that RA continued to confess after he was as back to acting normal makes me believe that his confessions are truthful and not induced by drugs. IMO
According to Harshman he continued to confess after his transfer to Wabash in January of this year.
I wonder if he has confessed since being at his new jail?
Detective testifies Richard Allen confessed more than 60 times to Delphi murders
All my opinion

 

[tlcya]

Under intense questioning from Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, however, Perlmutter admitted her findings were based on a limited set of evidence.

McLeland sought to discredit Perlmutter by highlighting she shared the same opinions about the case on Court TV last year – even before she'd seen or reviewed any crime scene evidence.

McLeland further pressed – without stating exactly what Allen said in his purported confessions – what Perlmutter's response would be if she learned the defendant “said that the intent was a sexual assault,” and “said that the branches were there to cover the girls’ bodies,” not an example of symbolic runes.
[snip]
Wala further added that Allen's thoughts appeared disjointed, he claimed to be suffering from memory loss, and, during some sessions, he would tremble and his eyes would twitch.
[snip]
Further, Wala also expressed concerns that Allen may have been faking some of his psychotic symptoms.

Diener pointed to Wala's notes in which the doctor seemed to question whether Allen was purposefully behaving bizarrely.

Wala acknowledged there were times she was not certain whether Allen was legitimately going through a mental health crisis or feigning psychotic behavior.
Suspect in death of two teen friends 'will not be saved' by strange cult theory

 

[statt#1]

Imagine the psychotic episodes were the result of solitary confinement for months on end and tasing. Imagine in his broken mind he thought, “if I confess, they’ll stop doing this to me, the pain will stop.” Then imagine, if you can, he’s innocent of this brutal crime. JMHO

There are two fallacies here, from my opinionated vantage point. One would be the report of a confession including factual information that would only be known to the killer. The other would be the reported comment from more than one source that RA was fakin' it.

Lastly, I'm of the opinion RA was never in solitary confinement. If he was, it was brief. Access to electronics, phones, conversations with others, etc. doesn't equate to solitary confinement in my opinionated belief.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Which I thought was a total cop out. If RA is 'your person' and you are supporting him, listen to all of the testimony. IMO

I would love to know if his wife thinks one of these:

He’s innocent of all, confessed due to mental health issue.
He’s guilty, was sane in 2017, confessed now due to conscience.
He’s guilty, was sane in 2017, confessed due to mental health issue.
He’s guilty, was insane in 2017, and still now.

jmo

 

[sunshineray]

This was presented in a motion or several motions by the defense and nothing came of it? Or is the motion pending? What an absolute disaster! During the time he made these 60+ confessions, he was eating his feces and receiving injected psychotropics, AND the psychologist's request to move him to a different facility was denied?! What is going on in Indiana??

No, not all of them. He started acting out the things you mention right after a phone call with his wife and mother where they didn't want to hear him and his wife disconnected the phone call. Harshman said after that the communication with family was cut off. (The lawyers probably told the family don't call him and don't take his calls, MO) The next day was the first day AB saw him face to face at Westville. RA was given discovery to look at and then began his bizarre behaviors. Some letters to the warden happened around this time also. Seems to me the DT wants to put the cart before the horse.

 

[sunshineray]

Under intense questioning from Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, however, Perlmutter admitted her findings were based on a limited set of evidence.

McLeland sought to discredit Perlmutter by highlighting she shared the same opinions about the case on Court TV last year – even before she'd seen or reviewed any crime scene evidence.

McLeland further pressed – without stating exactly what Allen said in his purported confessions – what Perlmutter's response would be if she learned the defendant “said that the intent was a sexual assault,” and “said that the branches were there to cover the girls’ bodies,” not an example of symbolic runes.
[snip]
Wala further added that Allen's thoughts appeared disjointed, he claimed to be suffering from memory loss, and, during some sessions, he would tremble and his eyes would twitch.
[snip]
Further, Wala also expressed concerns that Allen may have been faking some of his psychotic symptoms.

Diener pointed to Wala's notes in which the doctor seemed to question whether Allen was purposefully behaving bizarrely.

Wala acknowledged there were times she was not certain whether Allen was legitimately going through a mental health crisis or feigning psychotic behavior.
Suspect in death of two teen friends 'will not be saved' by strange cult theory

I wonder how many sane people who were dealing with being in prison charged with horrifically murdering two young girls and in therapy sessions.wanted to talk about it...how many would tremble and twitch recalling, reliving the horror they created? I'd venture, the majority. MO

 

[tlcya]

I wonder how many sane people who were dealing with being in prison charged with horrifically murdering two young girls and in therapy sessions.wanted to talk about it...how many would tremble and twitch recalling, reliving the horror they created? I'd venture, the majority. MO

Wala cannot testify to it for obvious reasons but I do wonder if some of their chats involved RA confessing to her or elaborating upon confessions he made to others and whether any details divulged aligned with the facts of the case.

 

[vinayd]

IIRC, Dr Wala said it was Haldol.

What is Haldol mainly used for?


Haloperidol treats schizophrenia and manages tics and vocal outbursts if you're diagnosed with Tourette's syndrome. It can also treat behavioral issues among children. This medication comes in a tablet form that you can take by mouth with a glass of water as directed. The brand name of haloperidol is Haldol®.

Haloperidol (Haldol): Uses & Side Effects - Cleveland Clinic​

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This drug is also used to treat coprophagia according to google.