Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

[twall]

There is a picture/exhibit of a dog sitting on Richard Allen's lap in the official documents. I believe the state may have a match from that dog to animal hair found at the scene. Why else would that picture of RA with a dog be an exhibit?

I believe you are referring to a filing by the defense to have RA moved early April 2023. It is an exhibit to show the difference in his condition before he was incarcerated to after his incarceration.

Scroll down at link and you will see the side by side. Has nothing to do with dog hair.

'Deteriorating rapidly' | Attorneys for Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen want him moved to new jail

Richard Allen's bail hearing has been set for Thursday, June 15 at 8:30 a.m. in Carroll County.

www.wthr.com

 

[shonyakay]

What official documents? Could you provide a link?

I am looking for the link. I am pretty sure it was from a news channel. I downloaded a zip file titled "Delphi Docs". It contains 118 items.
That picture of RA and the dog was an exhibit.

However... when I seen some of these docs from another news source...

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2023/06/DelphiDocumentsCombined.pdf

... that picture of RA with the dog may have been an exhibit from the defense to show what RA looked like before he declined i.e. Drooling pic.

I still believe the state has hair AND fibers that can be connected to RA.

 

[girlhasnoname]

My respect for WANE just went in the toilet. What's that quote from Jurassic Park...They were too busy worrying about if they could and didn't think about if they should. That questionnaire should never have been published. MO

Agree they shouldn't have published it in a news story before a trial a lot more people are exposed to news stories than internet crime sites. I fairly recently served on a criminal jury trial and there was a lot of reference to Social Media followings, etc. I don't find it unusual especially in a high profile case like this.

Something similar was done by phone survey (Defense) in the Idaho 4 case in a COV effort.

JMO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

In My Opinion
They had good reason to change the goal posts. The judge's action which ended up in front of the Indiana Supreme Court set the trial back some months, which gave the P more time to collect discovery, which he has been lax on turning it over.

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

08C01-2210-MR-000001
An excerpt from the court record dated 8/16/2024 = a week ago.
...the Court will order the State to turn over Sergeant Cecil's report within ten (10) days of date of this order and that any new discovery be provided within seven (7) days of receipt. The Court further orders the parties to exchange a list of trial exhibits by October 1, 2024.

BBm
My understanding (supported by the article below) is that new Cellebrite technology just came out which would allow more information to be extracted from LG’s phone.
So this would be brand new discovery, not discovery withheld. IMO
Sergeant Cecil’s role was with cell phone extraction.
Terrifying new evidence on Delphi victim's last moments pins trial on phone

 

[shonyakay]

I believe you are referring to a filing by the defense to have RA moved early April 2023. It is an exhibit to show the difference in his condition before he was incarcerated to after his incarceration.

Scroll down at link and you will see the side by side. Has nothing to do with dog hair.

'Deteriorating rapidly' | Attorneys for Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen want him moved to new jail

Richard Allen's bail hearing has been set for Thursday, June 15 at 8:30 a.m. in Carroll County.

www.wthr.com

You are correct. I just replied explaining this.

I still believe the state has hairs and fibers that links RA to the crime.

 

[girlhasnoname]

There is a picture/exhibit of a dog sitting on Richard Allen's lap in the official documents. I believe the state may have a match from that dog to animal hair found at the scene. Why else would that picture of RA with a dog be an exhibit?

It was a photo op from the Defense. Of course RA lost weight while incarcerated and the warden testified the photo of him sitting in that chair in a dirty undershirt with his jumpsuit unbuttoned after coming directly from Rec time was NOT typical of how RA dressed. He was offered the opportunity to change before meeting with R&B and declined.

But hey, I'm waiting for the dancing bears and monkey plate spinners any minute now. We've seen everything else.

MOO

 

[tlcya]

Richard Allen did a great job of acting like an innocent man during the October 2022 interrogations. When asked about being the man on the bridge, he denied it. He denied it is his voice on tape. He denied it was his gun (or only an unspent cartridge) that was used in the crime.

If he really did know that LE knew he was the killer, he did a really good job of playing innocent instead of just stopping questioning and asking for an attorney. Richard Allen did eventually stop the questioning, but only when he felt that he thought that maybe they thought that he might be the killer. He even said he was willing to give them his cell phone to check out before he felt like they were trying to point the finger at him for the Delphi murders.

Before Richard Allen confessed over 60 times to the crime, he did a really good job making it appear he was an innocent man.

You mean because he did what 99% of accused murderers do when being questioned by LE? Proclaim his innocence? and then when his denials were not believed request a lawyer?

 

[susiQ]

You mean because he did what 99% of accused murderers do when being questioned by LE? Proclaim his innocence? and then when his denials were not believed request a lawyer?

RBBM
And is this not what any innocent person would do. What would you do?
Most of those that ARE guilty, will lie through their teeth. The difference being you can tell they are lying through their teeth! JMHO.

 

[Vern]

Ok, thanks. AND double thanks for the edit that you modified your original post. I would have thought my memory had taken on a life of its own.

That's because I was modifying my original post to state the MS 3 day source as you were quoting it (my original post).

You're welcome.

 

[girlhasnoname]

You are correct. I just replied explaining this.

I still believe the state has hairs and fibers that links RA to the crime.

I believe they have DNA of some sort.

MOO

 

[tlcya]

RBBM
And is this not what any innocent person would do. What would you do?
Most of those that ARE guilty, will lie through their teeth. The difference being you can tell they are lying through their teeth! JMHO.

it is exactly what an innocent person would do. Which is why the guilty ones all do it JMO. My point is, his claiming innocence is not proof of anything, including but not limited to, his innocence or guilt.

 

[FrostedGlass]

BBm
My understanding (supported by the article below) is that new Cellebrite technology just came out which would allow more information to be extracted from LG’s phone.
So this would be brand new discovery, not discovery withheld. IMO
Sergeant Cecil’s role was with cell phone extraction.
Terrifying new evidence on Delphi victim's last moments pins trial on phone

IMO the judge is talking about an existing report, since she gave a specific time to turn it over. It makes no sense to me that she would give him a definite time for something he had no control over.
She also addresses any new discovery.

Posting this again from her order:
"...the Court will order the State to turn over Sergeant Cecil's report within ten (10) days of date of this order and that any new discovery be provided within seven (7) days of receipt."

 

[Salah11]

I believe they have DNA of some sort.

MOO

Fingers crossed

 

[TTF14]

Random observation: Even if the judge rules against the SODDI defense, it's "out there" now in the minds of potential jurors. I'm surprised the State agreed to all of that verbiage in the questionnaire.

IMO MOO

 

[tlcya]

IMO the judge is talking about an existing report, since she gave a specific time to turn it over. It makes no sense to me that she would give him a definite time for something he had no control over.
She also addresses any new discovery.

Posting this again from her order:
"...the Court will order the State to turn over Sergeant Cecil's report within ten (10) days of date of this order and that any new discovery be provided within seven (7) days of receipt."

"But what was interesting was Cecil mentioning there's a new report coming out because phone data extraction techniques improve all the time, so you can keep going back to check for more information.

"He's working on that report now, so I imagine the difference is going to be that the defense will claim the phone was turned back on, and that's the only way the messages could've come through, and the prosecution will be saying it wasn't turned on, and this can happen for several reasons.
Terrifying new evidence on Delphi victim's last moments pins trial on phone


As to Cecil's report, state can't turn over what they've yet to receive themselves. As to judge and the order you quoted above. that's pretty standard IME. As the trial date looms closer, judge tightens up timelines for such things to ensure no last minute delays. JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

RBBM
And is this not what any innocent person would do. What would you do?
Most of those that ARE guilty, will lie through their teeth. The difference being you can tell they are lying through their teeth! JMHO.

I play his scenario in my mind everytime this comes up. Going willingly, without an attorney, to an LE interview about a murder. His wife saying something like: Well yes, Rick has a blue jacket. Oh sure, Rick has lots of knives. Him saying: yes, I have guns and I've never let anyone use them.

Then I just think: "Oh dear, whatever were they thinking?" That always makes me wonder if they gave LE permission to search their home and/or property without a warrant.

All of this is my opinion only.

 

[tlcya]

Random observation: Even if the judge rules against the SODDI defense, it's "out there" now in the minds of potential jurors. I'm surprised the State agreed to all of that verbiage in the questionnaire.

IMO MOO

I'm not. Since Judge Gull hasn't exactly ruled on the SODDI defense the State IMO have to be prepared for either ruling. The answers to these questions will be helpful to them should that defense be allowed. They will be better able to weed out jurors they think will be swayed by such a defense.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

IMO the judge is talking about an existing report, since she gave a specific time to turn it over. It makes no sense to me that she would give him a definite time for something he had no control over.
She also addresses any new discovery.

Posting this again from her order:
"...the Court will order the State to turn over Sergeant Cecil's report within ten (10) days of date of this order and that any new discovery be provided within seven (7) days of receipt."

The article states that he ( Cecil) was working on the report. Not an existing report.
IMO she is asking him to make haste.
All my opinion

 

[tlcya]

The article states that he ( Cecil) was working on the report. Not an existing report.
IMO she is asking him to make haste.
All my opinion

agreed, she is also putting the state on notice to tell Cecil to hurry up and get that report finished and to the state because the judge has put a deadline on them getting it timely to the defense.

 

[susiQ]

I play his scenario in my mind everytime this comes up. Going willingly, without an attorney, to an LE interview about a murder. His wife saying something like: Well yes, Rick has a blue jacket. Oh sure, Rick has lots of knives. Him saying: yes, I have guns and I've never let anyone use them.

Then I just think: "Oh dear, whatever were they thinking?" That always makes me wonder if they gave LE permission to search their home and/or property without a warrant.

All of this is my opinion only.

Before this case, watching what has happened to RA (including violation of his constitutional rights), I would have done what RA did, come forward in the hope that anything I observed would help with the ongoing investigation. Lesson learned. Never talk to LE without an attorney at my side! Quite frankly, I would not even come forward unless they came to me. JMO