Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[ClearAhead]

Such a prime POI that when he called the tip line, they sent DD, not even police officer, but a conservation officer to take his information. At a grocery store. Not even at the police station. So prime a POI, the person who met with him thinks he took a recording - but as of last Sept (Franks 1, linked by me in a post above)... he couldn't locate.

2. Its not just that RA can't get himself off that bridge - its that LE can't place anyone ON that bridge (or at the south end where the words DTH were spoken). So I go back to this - a man working for pest control had called Grey Hughes to discuss that he had seen a car parked NEAR the CPS building which was there when he arrived about 8:45am, and there when he left around 2:15pm.

A friend of his saw the same vehicle "on the other side " at about 3:30pm. He saw officers and decided to give them some tips. He asked the officer: "Why was the time on this vehicle reported between noon and five? Well, I didn't know that there was another vehicle and he said it was parked at that CPS building backed in to where they couldn't see the license plate". The caller noted he never saw that CPS car when he was there. BUT:

What made police automatically discount the car along the side of the road in the correct times as being of any interest in this crime? Before even investigating it, they seemed disinterested and more concerned with the car at CPS.... (probably because it was backed in). But my point is - they discounted this tip without even investigating it seems! This makes me wonder, did LE have tunnel vision about the CPS car and then ignore any evidence that it had nothing to do with the crime?

(its an 8 minute video) and I sure would like to know - how did police automatically discount this info in favour of the CPS car? MOO.

DELPHI TIMELINE: Disappearance and murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams

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February 13, 5:30 p.m.: After family could not locate the girls they contacted the Carroll County Sheriff's Department.
The Carroll County Sheriff's Department, Delphi Police Department, and Delphi Fire Department were joined by the Department of Natural Resources to search for the two missing girls.

 

[photographer4]

I'll also add in that the photo of BG was released on 15 February and that at no time did DD ask RA "what were you wearing on the trails?" because, IMO, DD spoke to RA before the girls were found murdered and certainly before that photo was released.

The tip line was not established until 16 February and by then it was known what BG was wearing and that there was an actual "crime scene".

Yet, we do know that Delphi LE was asking for people to call into their phone line on the night of 13 February and the morning of the 14th - prior to Abby & Libby being found murdered - if they had any information on the girls' possible wherabouts.

DELPHI TIMELINE: Disappearance and murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams

The mystery surrounding a double murder continues over a month after the bodies of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, were found. </p><p><strong>MORE </strong>| <a…

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And as also seen in Websleuths own Thread #1 prior to the girls being found.

IMO, I also believe that the "Tipline" that RA apparently called was the phone number that LE had been requesting anyone with info call while they were still searching for the two girls vice the official "Tip Line" that was later set up just for this case once their murders was discovered.

From their own Frank's, DD met RA at a grocery store in Delphi to provide his 'tip' ... and I'm willing to wager that LE is interviewing absolutely no one in grocery store parking lots after two girls have been found dead (ie: once an actual capital crime has been established as existing). They are interviewing people at the station after that. Interesting that the Frank's opts not to identify a date and time that RA spoke with Dulin.

_Franks I.pdf

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Ummm how do we know if DD asked RA what he was wearing?

 

[ClearAhead]

Ummm how do we know if DD asked RA what he was wearing?

Nothing mentioned about it in DD’s notes.

If this interview took place after the girls were found murdered and LE was looking for a lead on the man in the photo, why would RA coming forward saying he hadn’t seen the girls? That’s not the purpose of the tip line.

Police ask for assistance in identifying man seen walking on trail where Delphi teens went missing

Update: Police released a photo of a man taken on the Delphi Historic Trails on Feb. 13, around the time Abigail Williams and Liberty German were walking. Investigators want to talk with him about …

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Update: Police released a photo of a man taken on the Delphi Historic Trails on Feb. 13, around the time Abigail Williams and Liberty German were walking.

Investigators want to talk with him about what he may have seen. They would also like to speak with anyone who was parked at High Bridge Trail Head on Feb. 13, between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m.

Anyone who knows about the pictured man or has any information is asked to call a special tip line set up for this case: 844-459-5786. Information provided will be followed up on by officers working the case. Tips can be submitted anonymously.

 

[photographer4]

Nothing mentioned about it in DD’s notes.

If this interview took place after the girls were found murdered and LE was looking for a lead on the man in the photo, why would RA coming forward saying he hadn’t seen the girls? That’s not the purpose of the tip line.

Police ask for assistance in identifying man seen walking on trail where Delphi teens went missing

Update: Police released a photo of a man taken on the Delphi Historic Trails on Feb. 13, around the time Abigail Williams and Liberty German were walking. Investigators want to talk with him about …

fox59.com

Update: Police released a photo of a man taken on the Delphi Historic Trails on Feb. 13, around the time Abigail Williams and Liberty German were walking.

Investigators want to talk with him about what he may have seen. They would also like to speak with anyone who was parked at High Bridge Trail Head on Feb. 13, between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m.

Anyone who knows about the pictured man or has any information is asked to call a special tip line set up for this case: 844-459-5786. Information provided will be followed up on by officers working the case. Tips can be submitted anonymously.

I thought the purpose of any tipline was for people to call if they'd been in the area on a given day / around a given time, no? Maybe he didn't see the girls, but perhaps he could talk about whatever he *did* see? Idk. Interesting idea to consider he may well have called a tipline BEFORE the kids were found dead. Interested to learn more about it at trial.

 

[ClearAhead]

I thought the purpose of any tipline was for people to call if they'd been in the area on a given day / around a given time, no? Maybe he didn't see the girls, but perhaps he could talk about whatever he *did* see? Idk. Interesting idea to consider he may well have called a tipline BEFORE the kids were found dead. Interested to learn more about it at trial.

Yes it will be interesting. In missing person’s cases it’s absolutely common for LE to ask people to come forward with information in the hopes of locating whoever is missing, particularly as Libby and Abby were considered children. Did you see them, which way were they going, were they with others, did they say anything, were they were sighted getting into a vehicle? That’s the sort of information that can be helpful. RA claimed he didn’t see them but now we know it’s a good chance that he lied given their paths surely crossed. He certainly wasn’t going to admit to DD that he murdered them.

With a murder investigation the focus shifts to the perpetrator, as the girls were no longer missing. But nothing at all in DD’s interview notes suggests their murders had already been already discovered.

 

[Spartygirl]

If Richard Allen is the murderer, I certainly did not see it being him. Even the confessions in this case are strange.

I can only speculate that one girl saw the other get murdered. I think a person like that would not want forgiveness. But that is a completely speculative opinion.

Supposedly some of the confessions Richard Allen gave contain his motivations for the crime. I also think many people besides myself want to know what other evidence LE had against Richard Allen when they made the arrest.

BBM
Absolutely we all want details and evidence HOWEVER, we will find that out at trial.
LE has obeyed the GAG order and not given out info that should be saved for trial only, unlike the D-team.

 

[photographer4]

BBM
Absolutely we all want details and evidence HOWEVER, we will find that out at trial.
LE has obeyed the GAG order and not given out info that should be saved for trial only, unlike the D-team.

Just out of curiosity as I haven’t followed any other American cases so closely - is it possible that like the jury is forbidden to hear certain things or have their attn drawn to things (eg; they won’t hear about possible 3d parties as possible suspects)… is it likely that there will be things kept from the general public as well that we won’t even hear about via filed motions?

Asking bc we still don’t know what happened at the closed / then cancelled hearing from a few weeks ago. Will we ever find out what this was about?

 

[Spartygirl]

I'd really like to see a link to the alleged fact that DD spoke with RA after the girls were found deceased.

I have a theory that he did not. I have that theory precisely because DDs follow up note in the "Tip Narrative' is "Who were these three girls" ... and not "who IS this guy who admits to being near the crime scene at the time of the crime?"

I think DD's follow up question was about the three girls precisely because they were still looking for the girls at the time and maybe these three girls did see them and may have info. Remember that RA also told DD during this 'tip' that he had not seen Abby & Libby while he was on the trails. DD had no idea there was a "Crime Scene" at the time RA approached him in the random parking lot to provide info and his 1330 - 1530 hrs timing for being on the bridge.

All IMO of course, but I am willing to reconsider my theory with a link to anything factual stating that DD was approached by RA after they were found as you've alleged.

Agree !!

Plus, with the LE office just around the corner from CVS, why meet in a parking lot ??
Most people would go directly to the sheriff's or Police office.
Especially if it is about 2 minutes away.
JMO

2 min (0.1 mi) via W Main St

 

[sunshineray]

Agree !!

Plus, with the LE office just around the corner from CVS, why meet in a parking lot ??
Most people would go directly to the sheriff's or Police office.
Especially if it is about 2 minutes away.
JMO

2 min (0.1 mi) via W Main St
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Yes, makes one think why not? In looking at the Google maps where is the grocery in relation to the CVS? I thought it was right across the street but that's the Dollar Store.

 

[ClearAhead]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839395923232985275

Point 7. Six seats are reserved for RA’s family during the trial. His family support is very small. The number of jurors deciding his fate is twice that. I wonder is that his entire family circle or have some chosen to stay away….

 

[Spartygirl]

Yes, makes one think why not? In looking at the Google maps where is the grocery in relation to the CVS? I thought it was right across the street but that's the Dollar Store.

I dont think it's ever been mentioned , but would have to look back as to the name of the store.
Our Dollar General here does have groceries, produce, etc, so could have been that one.

Also, since going back trying to find the name, and IIRC, seeing DD on stage at the presser in 2017 and then the presser in April 2019--where LE is changing directions and "You (BG=RA) is someone we have interviewed before--- could that have a part in the "Other characters involved ??"
Hmmmm ???

""Speaking directly to the killer, who may be in this room, we believe you are hiding in plain sight," Supt. Carter said at the morning press conference. "For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy, but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know. One day you will."

OR, as suggested upthread, could it be a false alibi that is involved ??
We will soon find out at trial. !!! 16 days !!!!

Delphi, Indiana murders: Police release new video, sketch and audio of suspect in killings

Indiana State Police have released new audio, video and a sketch of the man they suspect murdered two teen girls in Delphi, Indiana, in 2017.

abc7ny.com

 

[Spartygirl]

Point 7. Six seats are reserved for RA’s family during the trial. His family support is very small. The number of jurors deciding his fate is twice that. I wonder is that his entire family circle or have some chosen to stay away….

6 Reserved but I can only imagine 2 will be filled.
JMO

 

[photographer4]

6 Reserved but I can only imagine 2 will be filled.
JMO

What’s the usual number to be reserved for supporters of the accused?

 

[Vern]

D-15 ....

 

[ClearAhead]

What’s the usual number to be reserved for supporters of the accused?

Don’t know, probably depends on the size of the courtroom.

 

[Vern]

I dont think it's ever been mentioned , but would have to look back as to the name of the store.
Our Dollar General here does have groceries, produce, etc, so could have been that one.

Also, since going back trying to find the name, and IIRC, seeing DD on stage at the presser in 2017 and then the presser in April 2019--where LE is changing directions and "You (BG=RA) is someone we have interviewed before--- could that have a part in the "Other characters involved ??"
Hmmmm ???

""Speaking directly to the killer, who may be in this room, we believe you are hiding in plain sight," Supt. Carter said at the morning press conference. "For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy, but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know. One day you will."

OR, as suggested upthread, could it be a false alibi that is involved ??
We will soon find out at trial. !!! 16 days !!!!

Delphi, Indiana murders: Police release new video, sketch and audio of suspect in killings

Indiana State Police have released new audio, video and a sketch of the man they suspect murdered two teen girls in Delphi, Indiana, in 2017.

abc7ny.com

There's no Grocery Store actually named - it's just "met DD at the grocery store".

According to google, there is only one actual grocery store (Save A Lot) in Delphi ... although Dollar General and Family Dollar, and Delphi Food Mart also carry some food items. All the others seem to be convenience stores with gas and food etc.

I've attached the googlemap just so one can see how close proximty they are to CVS although the actual Sherifff's Office does seem to be closer to both CVS and RAs home than the grocery. He would actually have to drive right past the Sheriff's Office to get to his workplace and the grocery store (if that's where he met DD) is after that. I wonder why he didn't opt to go there?

The Delphi Food Mart (Gas bar with food) is right next door to the Sheriff.

Google Maps

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www.google.ca

 

[steeltowngirl]

That just refers to a NEW tip line number, designated especially for tips on the case.

https://fox59.com/news/police-set-up-tip-line-for-information-in-deaths-of-delphi-teens/

Agree. Tip line was in effect while the girls were still missing.

Photo of Abigail Williams and Liberty German
by: Brady Allard

Posted: Feb 14, 2017 / 12:57 AM EST
Updated: Feb 14, 2017 / 01:04 AM EST

Based on the information given by family and friends, police do not believe foul play is involved and have been given no information that would lead them to believe the girls are in any immediate danger, other than exposure to outside elements.

Officers looked into issuing an Amber Alert, but were informed this incident does not meet the criteria.

Anyone with information which they feel may lead police to the girls, should contact 911 or the administrative number of the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office at 765-564-2413.

https://cbs4indy.com/this-morning/carroll-county-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-teenagers/

 

[FrostedGlass]

Agree. Tip line was in effect while the girls were still missing.

Photo of Abigail Williams and Liberty German
by: Brady Allard

Posted: Feb 14, 2017 / 12:57 AM EST
Updated: Feb 14, 2017 / 01:04 AM EST

Based on the information given by family and friends, police do not believe foul play is involved and have been given no information that would lead them to believe the girls are in any immediate danger, other than exposure to outside elements.

Officers looked into issuing an Amber Alert, but were informed this incident does not meet the criteria.

Anyone with information which they feel may lead police to the girls, should contact 911 or the administrative number of the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office at 765-564-2413.

https://cbs4indy.com/this-morning/carroll-county-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-teenagers/

So, if this: administrative number of the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office at 765-564-2413.
Is also this: Anyone who knows about the pictured man or has any information is asked to call a special tip line set up for this case: 844-459-5786.
why wouldn't the D just say he called the CCSO instead of specifying the tip line?

https://cbs4indy.com/this-morning/carroll-county-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-teenagers/

 

[ClearAhead]

So, if this: administrative number of the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office at 765-564-2413.
Is also this: Anyone who knows about the pictured man or has any information is asked to call a special tip line set up for this case: 844-459-5786.
why wouldn't the D just say he called the CCSO instead of specifying the tip line?

https://cbs4indy.com/this-morning/carroll-county-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-teenagers/

It’s the date DD interviewed RA that we’d all like to know. What phone number he called isn’t important. I think we already know the FM isn’t a reliable reference document JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Here are two of the P's arguments against the jurors viewing the crime scene.
My question to him would be: Why would the viewing be unfair or not proper?

4. That any benefits of the Jury visiting these areas is outweighed by the dangers such a trip presents to the Jury and to the fairness of trial.
5. That the State does not believe it is proper to have the Jury view the scene or the other various areas.

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IMO there could be a compromise on this motion but I doubt that will happen. I see a denial in the future.