Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019 #5

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I’m sorry if this is OT, and you probably know this but def don’t have her cold turkey it without a physician supervising, since alcohol detox can be deadly. Glad she is going to detox on Tuesday, and thank you for being such a good friend to her.

Yeah, no, she is drinking till she goes in (monitored), I wish there was a better option, but with Medicaid and the hospitals here not accepting her for detox purposes this is a bit of a last resort. Other than her getting accepted to the ER for faking suicidal thoughts, which she doesn't want to do just yet. I've been in her place so this is kind of just what I think a friend should do. Thanks :) I know you have been in a similar place too. Hugs.
With that new report it maybe was not an OD? I really hope PH went peacefully...
 
At the presser the sheriff said PH & FH were together at the TR & there was no force used when she left. I will look at the presser again for exact words.
"Asked if police had determined whether Hampton and Houston left the bar together on the night of Dec. 20 or if Hampton had coerced her in any way, Agree simply said, "We are saying they were together on Dec. 20. There is no evidence that there was any force." Police ID suspect connected to death of woman who texted friends she was in trouble

So they're not actually going as far as saying "yes, they left together" but since they did say "there is no evidence there was any force" I think it's safe to assume they did actually leave together - otherwise - there wouldn't be any reason to say that.
 
<modsnip> Well what the heck was I thinking...He’s just a violent sex offender who gang raped and sodomized a woman, and buried her body, but there hasn’t been much else that shows foul play here here?? Yeah we don’t have COD and tox yet, but last seen and buried by a violent sex offender? After she clearly texted she was in trouble, obviously sensing danger, which she was right about after all...Considering what we know about sex offenders like this, chances are high imo that this was a sexually motivated crime and any seasoned LE or profiler or forensic psychologist who has experience with these types of individuals will likely tell you that, moo. But we of course need PROOF which will come soon, one way or the other, hopefully.

Sure, there’s a chance she OD’d, but we are certainly not off base for making this leap or speculation.

Additionally I find it interesting many people are inclined to still talk about the co-worker—-she is not the one who buried her. She is not the violent gang rapist sex offender. Why is this guy getting so much benefit of the doubt? Do his charges and criminal past need to be spelled out for everyone in bold letters?? Sure innocent until proven guilty, would I convict at this point, no as we don’t have COD and tox, but I’m not sure why people are finding it so hard to grasp that this very well could be a sexual crime and outright murder. We have numerous cases where autopsy results are inconclusive, etc., though foul play is likely. Some people are making the focus of her addiction the main point here, as well as co-workers who have at this point, NO CONNECTiON to any of this, and while I think her drug history is a potential factor and perhaps even part of puzzle here, the main thing here IMO is WHO IS THIS INDIVIDUAL? What have his prior actions shown that he is capable of? A woman died in his presence on his watch and his buried on land tied to him...

I have mentioned several times that there are several reasons someone may panic.

If he wasn’t a violent sex offender I would look at this case different. It is perhaps prejudicial and biased, but that’s the whole reason there’s an RSO registry to begin with, so people know about these individuals, because they present a potential danger to society and anyone in their path, moo. Many of these RSOs reoffend. I need evidence that he didn’t not, until then, based on what I know about individuals like this, he is not getting ANY benefit of the doubt from me, and I consider this opinion to come from a place of education and experience.
Great reply and may I add we NEED to find FH and get him in custody TODAY.
 
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Good question, I was pretty sure it was implied that they left together but now I recall it saying they were there (seen?) at the bar together. I guess we're just assuming she left with FH.
He likely was I just haven’t put it on my list of facts yet. Still looking to know who else may have been with them. Who’s car they were? Who was driving? Also really wish we knew if they found any of her personal possessions (clothes, phone, keys, purse, wallet, a fit bit if she had one)?
 
He likely was I just haven’t put it on my list of facts yet. Still looking to know who else may have been with them. Who’s car they were? Who was driving? Also really wish we knew if they found any of her personal possessions (clothes, phone, keys, purse, wallet, a fit bit if she had one)?
L E probably has MOST of these answers and as they develop their case they will release the info. They have no need to release anymore info now.
 
Police can hold you for 24 hours if they suspect you if a crime while they dig up evidence. They can apply to have it longer if its a serious crime. I assume they held him because he was seen leaving with her, she had sent that text and was missing. Just a guess

Thank you for the reply. So suspicion alone is cause enough. I was just curious if there had to be something more substantial.
 
"Asked if police had determined whether Hampton and Houston left the bar together on the night of Dec. 20 or if Hampton had coerced her in any way, Agree simply said, "We are saying they were together on Dec. 20. There is no evidence that there was any force." Police ID suspect connected to death of woman who texted friends she was in trouble

So they're not actually going as far as saying "yes, they left together" but since they did say "there is no evidence there was any force" I think it's safe to assume they did actually leave together - otherwise - there wouldn't be any reason to say that.

Assume nothing
 
"Asked if police had determined whether Hampton and Houston left the bar together on the night of Dec. 20 or if Hampton had coerced her in any way, Agree simply said, "We are saying they were together on Dec. 20. There is no evidence that there was any force." Police ID suspect connected to death of woman who texted friends she was in trouble

So they're not actually going as far as saying "yes, they left together" but since they did say "there is no evidence there was any force" I think it's safe to assume they did actually leave together - otherwise - there wouldn't be any reason to say that.

Thanks. I heard Agee give his answer but couldn't hear the question
 
<modsnip> Well what the heck was I thinking...He’s just a violent sex offender who gang raped and sodomized a woman, and buried PH’s body, but there hasn’t been much else that shows foul play here here?? Yeah we don’t have COD and tox yet, but last seen and buried by a violent sex offender? After she clearly texted she was in trouble, obviously sensing danger, which she was right about after all...Considering what we know about sex offenders like this, chances are high imo that this was a sexually motivated crime and any seasoned LE or profiler or forensic psychologist who has experience with these types of individuals will likely tell you that, moo. There’s a reason why criminal history is important. But we of course need PROOF which will come soon, one way or the other, hopefully.

Sure, there’s a chance she OD’d, but we are certainly not off base for making this leap or speculation, that based on his “horrendous” criminal history...Why are we talking about “horrendous crimes”? Because that’s EXACTLY what FH has committed in the past, “horrendous crimes”.

Additionally I find it interesting many people are inclined to still talk about the co-workers/friends as being involved here- the co-worker is not the one who buried her. She is not the violent gang rapist sex offender. Why is this guy getting so much benefit of the doubt? Do his charges and criminal past need to be spelled out for everyone in bold letters?? He’s a monster obviously! Sure innocent until proven guilty, would I convict at this point, no as we don’t have COD and tox, but I’m not sure why people are finding it so hard to grasp that this very well could be a sexual crime and outright murder. We have numerous cases where autopsy results are inconclusive, etc., though foul play is likely. Some people are making the focus of her addiction the main point here, as well as co-workers who have, at this point, NO CONNECTiON to him that we know of, etc., and while I think her drug history could be a potential factor and perhaps even part of puzzle here, the main thing here IMO is WHO IS THIS INDIVIDUAL that LE wants?? What have his prior actions shown that he is capable of? A woman died in his presence on his watch and is buried on land tied to him...

I have mentioned several times that there are several reasons someone may panic. It’s not like these theories are not getting an opportunity to be voiced because they are.

If he wasn’t a violent sex offender I would look at this case differently. It is perhaps prejudicial and biased, but that’s the whole reason there’s an RSO registry to begin with, so people know about these individuals, because they present a potential danger to society and anyone in their path, moo. Many of these RSOs reoffend. I need evidence contrary that he did not assault PH, not the other way around, and until then, based on what I know about individuals like this, he is not getting ANY benefit of the doubt from me, and I consider this opinion to come from a place of education and experience.
Speaking for myself only, the reason I’m sitting here scratching my head is because LE have stated no evidence of physical harm caused her death. So what then? Obviously it seems this most liked sexually assaulted and murdered her, but then there would be evidence of physical harm no? Maybe not. Just sitting here confused until we get more info about cause of death.
 
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That's so sad. That means eating sweets, binge watching a show on netflix, or any of the simple things people do every day for a little dose of pleasure could potentially cause a craving. Is it any wonder it's such a difficult disease to fight?
Yup, you can become addicted to anything if you have an addictive personality. Gambling, food, sex, *advertiser censored*, alcohol, drugs, shopping, smoking, caffeine. Anything that gives pleasure that is done in excess, chasing the high. IME
 
Speaking for myself only, the reason I’m sitting here scratching my head is because LE have stated no evidence of physical harm caused her death. So what then? Obviously it seems this ******* most liked sexually assaulted and murdered her, but then there would be evidence of physical harm no? Maybe not. Just sitting here confused until we get more info about cause of death.

This is the line of thought I find myself pondering. I'd like to conclude the accused committed other crimes, but at this point, there is nothing indicating such. He is charged with abuse of corpse....that's it.

We simply do not know the COD.

MOO, as I've said, even waaaaaay back early in this thread, if D&A doesn't play a role here somewhere I'll be surprised, though it very well may NOT.

Ask your self this question? What would cause YOU to wind up in the company of such an individual as the accused? I'm not trying to be crass, rather, what would lead to you being in such a predicament, one in which YOU sent a text such as the one PH sent, and to wind up dead in the presence of a person such as the accused?

Sex? Drugs? Kidnapping? A cruel prank? Deception by someone else, possibly one with a grudge?

When pondering this, I think several things, and I'm sure you do too. Only time will, hopefully, answer this question for us.
 
The lack of urgency in finding Fh has me wondering if he checked into some type of treatment program. Maybe I’m way off and 50 is old for that but it seems weird that he’s not on Jefferson County’s wanted list.
 
Assume nothing
Usually that's the best advice but, "there is no evidence there was any force" in regards to what, exactly? Dancing? Drinks? Hmm... in the context of the circumstances, who she was with and who she left with, appears to be what that comment is about. I could be completely wrong, but it doesn't make any sense why that was said, unless it's in reference to her leaving the bar that night.
 
Ugh her body decomposed after being buried for 14 days...drugs filter out, yes. She could have died from asphyxiation, or choked by vomit which may not show up. Just thinking.

Only because it reminded me so much of this case (at first) I had to remind myself how long AJ Hadsell's body was left in a shallow grave behind an abandoned house. She disappeared March 2, 2015 and was located April 9, 2015. Nearly 6 weeks - and they were still able to determine her COD was homicidal violence and acute heroin poisoning. (source). In Paighton's case, she wasn't there nearly as long, so hopefully they still have enough evidence (I really hate typing that) to work with, to determine accurately how she passed.
 
This is the line of thought I find myself pondering. I'd like to conclude the accused committed other crimes, but at this point, there is nothing indicating such. He is charged with abuse of corpse....that's it.

We simply do not know the COD.

MOO, as I've said, even waaaaaay back early in this thread, if D&A doesn't play a role here somewhere I'll be surprised, though it very well may NOT.

Ask your self this question? What would cause YOU to wind up in the company of such an individual as the accused? I'm not trying to be crass, rather, what would lead to you being in such a predicament, one in which YOU sent a text such as the one PH sent, and to wind up dead in the presence of a person such as the accused?

Sex? Drugs? Kidnapping? A cruel prank? Deception by someone else, possibly one with a grudge?

When pondering this, I think several things, and I'm sure you do too. Only time will, hopefully, answer this question for us.

Yeah, it's got me scratching my head. We speculated earlier on her dating preferences. I would rule out FH as a possibility. jmo
 
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