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LOL, you just told us how to post.

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WHat is the point of posting a theory, if no one can comment to discuss or refute. Might as well shut the whole thing down.

I didn't tell anyone how to post, I asked. I did ask for it to be shut down since it's just turning into a new general discussion thread, but I'm not the one who makes those decisions. As I said it my first post: if you want to disagree with a part of someone else's theory, you can just say I don'y think XXXX would happen, we can discuss it in "appropriate thread". That way everybody can discuss what they believe (or think might be possible) without having to wade through pages of irrelevant posts.

Yes, I believe my posts are as irrelevant to many people as theirs are to me. Sorry to sound bossy, but I just don't have the time or energy to read 100s of pages saying basically the same things day after day.
 
I'm not trying to tell people how to post, but please use this thread for alternate theories. Some have done so, and I appreciate it, but the RH did it on purpose because he's evil, mentally ill, greedy, etc. w/wo the aid of LH has been done ad nauseam and this isn't supposed to just be a replacement for the general discussion thread. Thanks.

Thank-you Confusion.:)
 
New Rule for this thread! Listen (Read) up, here, please.

Every post on this thread should look something like this:

I think such and such (insert alternate theory here) happened because (insert reason(s) here).

If your post does not read in this manner, it will be removed. There are other threads in this forum for discussion of other aspects of the case. Please use them. There is no longer a general discussion thread.

Thanks,

Salem
 
It was like a light bulb moment when I heard the comment Leanna made at the daycare. She knew RH had left Cooper in the car before.

After leaving "Chick-fil-a", RH, for whatever reason, didn't want to take time to drop Cooper off at daycare. He leaves the child in the car, intending to take him to daycare later on that morning or during his lunch break. After that point, he gets caught up in his activities and forgets about Cooper. Everything, including his choice of a parking space points to this, IMO.

For obvious reasons,Ross didn't want to admit he left Cooper in the car intentionally that morning. Imagine the stigma associated with that admittance. So,he decides to go with the, forgot after "Chick-fil-a" story. He thought LE, family and friends would buy it.
 
I think they killed him. It was a plan.

What I was hoping is that people had explanations as to why she would say JRH left him in the car and she would not be freaking out. After all, she knew from her online searches as well what it would mean for a child to be left all day.

And I was hoping for an explanation of saying too much.

Not re a killing, but an accident. How can you say anything incriminating re an accident?

To me those would have to be explained about a non killing
 
I agree with several theories on the how it might have happened with strong reasons that might be justified in the narcissist mind but, I can't seem to find any strong enough to justify why he would go to such drastic measures to be child-free other than one. This picture keeps popping into my head and for me says he resented his baby. The look on his face tells me the whole story. I've lived with this kind of person with my two children and that kind of resentment is real.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/...img/photos/2014/06/19/ab/c4/Ross_and_baby.jpg

Wow....I have never seen this JRH picture and yes, ITA that it is very telling of ongoing and building resentment towards Cooper. He has the same type of look in his mug shot and this one from the probable cause hearing seems to say it all. Who (other than a complete narcissist) looks like THIS during a very detailed and extremely emotional description of their toddler's suffering and agonizing death??? Regarding alternate possibilities, I am unsure about quite a few things, however I do think that JRH had left Cooper in the car before and that LH knew it, hence her response to the day care worker of, "Ross must have left him in the car". Also fits that she would research details and videos of these types of scenarios to and shock him into paying A LOT more attention....there is much, much more to be discovered about their relationship, marriage and behaviors. As always, IMO, JMO, MOO.

http://accuratebodylanguage.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/jrhcontempt.jpg?w=858&h=566
 
I think it's also possible that he really did forget to turn to go to the daycare center, but remembered by the time he parked. Because he didn't want to be late (maybe losing the promotion because of lateness among other things), he decided to just park, go inside to make an appearance, clock in if they need to do that, and bring him when he could find an excuse to get away for a few minutes. Either he was suddenly swamped with work (unlikely) or otherwise distracted, he never made it back out there until after lunch, and it was too late by then. The rest of it is pretty much the same as my first theory here.

My main reasons for wondering about these things are that he did seem to genuinely care about CH, but I find it hard to believe he didn't know CH was in the car when he got out of it.
 
BBM. Which, if it happened that way, is a slam dunk for a conviction on the current charges. Which is why they are brilliant, because you can't call the actions you described anything other than criminally negligent, and that gets him on cruelty to children 2nd degree and THAT gets him on felony murder. Stick a fork in him, he's done!

And if that's the case, so be it - he's done. Fork him :giggle:

Just giving different what ifs - and this theory traveled to multiple times of forgetting but still not the intention to kill.

We all agree he left his child in that car, all day, and the end result was Cooper dieing in one of the most horrific ways.
RH will not go unpunished, it's to what degree he will be punished. I don't see him just walking away sentence free.
Regardless of the sentence, some will think it's fair and some will not. :moo:
 
According to the national weather service the observed low was 73. It was already 81 at 9:00 am that day. In one of the general discussion threads, someone posted an hourly forecast for that day. You can also look up the archives on the national weather service. (Keep in mind, the temps are taken in the shade...so the actual heat in the sun is more.) Since he did searches, he would have known in one hour the car would have been near 115 in 30 minutes, 130 degrees in just one hour. It was 90 degrees by noon, so the car temp rose as the outside temp.

He can't explain not knowing. He looked it up, he watched the video. He KNEW he wouldn't be OK.

According to Accu-weather, the low was 69, in Atlanta, Ga. on June 18th. Temps can vary depending on what metro county you are in.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/atlanta-ga/30303/june-weather/348181


Edited to add: The mean temperature that day was 81 degrees.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...ty=Atlanta&req_state=GA&req_statename=Georgia





 
I'm not sure what my opinion is on this, but I had stated in thread 13 that RH reminds me of Mark Hacking. He made himself sound important - had an MBA, did "police" work, works for a fortune "50" company, is getting a raise and a promotion, is looking to buy a 4 br house, etc.

Since he recently took over the finances, I'm guessing he had something to hide from LH. Was he charging on *advertiser censored* sites, or using an escort service, or buying gifts for his "girls"? There must be a reason he felt the need to take over the financial decisions.

He is starting to see that he has a wife and a son who are holding him back from the life he wants. The young girls seem way more fun than family life. He thinks he's come up with a fool-proof way to get rid of his son, be the injured party, and actually make money. He knew the funeral would be paid for by HD. No more child care costs, and let's face it, kids are not cheap! He then can pocket the life insurance and move towards the life he wanted.

Here's where I get confused, because I think LH was involved. But I really do think RH planned on getting rid of LH also. I'm sure it would have been a "suicide" since "she missed CH so much and didn't want to live without him" - and everyone would have felt horrible for RH because of the tragedy that had struck him. Again, he collects life insurance - people help him out because he is grieving so terribly......

He has his college boy life that he has been craving - at least until he self destructs.

Okay - that's my theory with lots of holes that need to be filled. Lol

That's pretty close to what I think. Having a child and a wife was way harder than he expected. He now had a decent job (better than when he met LH, and if he had been able to work more flexible/longer hours he'd have gotten the anticipated promotion/raise he was passed over for. On top of that, without a family to support, he'd be in great shape financially, and would not need to buy a house at all, so the insurance money would be "gravy" on top of the saving of not paying for daycare, diapers, baby clothes, car seats, etc.

I thought about an LH suicide as well, and am curious to know about insurance policies on her and/or Ross.
 
How would this be different than most cases? There is always the risk that someone won't agree with the extent of the charges. That's why the prosecution and LE are working so hard to point toward beyond the typical unintentional death.

There is unintentional, and unintentional with malice. They will try to prove malice, IMO.

ETA: LOL, I have no idea why I put malice. I was intending to say unintentional, but also extreme cruel neglect. :facepalm:

Geez, blue, what were you thinking? :notgood: RH himself said there was no malice :fishy:
 
I truly believe LH is in on it.

The ' Did you say too much?" cannot be related to an accident. You cannot say too much about an accident. And then the statement that the only possibility was leaving him in the car, not other suggestions by childcare workers.

So why would she agree to get rid of her child?

I wondered if her remark just had to do with him being a "talker" in general. I know I am. If someone is telling a story, I ALWAYS am reminded of some OTHER story on the same topic, and sometimes derail the conversation. She may have known that it was the best thing for him to maintain his silence... as I recall, she said very early on that she would NOT speak to the press, and has not. If she knew that nothing you DON'T say can be used against you, that was a good call. She may only have been reminding Ross that he should not say ANYTHING and that "saying too much" might mean saying anything that could be misconstrued.
 
I think it's also possible that he really did forget to turn to go to the daycare center, but remembered by the time he parked. Because he didn't want to be late (maybe losing the promotion because of lateness among other things), he decided to just park, go inside to make an appearance, clock in if they need to do that, and bring him when he could find an excuse to get away for a few minutes. Either he was suddenly swamped with work (unlikely) or otherwise distracted, he never made it back out there until after lunch, and it was too late by then. The rest of it is pretty much the same as my first theory here.

My main reasons for wondering about these things are that he did seem to genuinely care about CH, but I find it hard to believe he didn't know CH was in the car when he got out of it.

BBM - Yes, he did. I have found nothing that indicates otherwise.
 
I think it might be possible his double life extended into drug use. I also think he (JRH) may have met up with a sex AND drug buddy through one of his online endeavors. I think he may have spent the night prior to Cooper's death sexting/texting up a storm and been tired/and or totally whacked-out on oxy.roxy.meth.pot....-- who-the-hell-knows, after breakfast. He may have spent those 30 secs taking some ummmm, "glamour shots" of his anatomy. So many references have been made to him being immature in the media recently : "Ferris Bueller" etc, "Center of Attention," etc. And that makes me think he was probably pretty desperate to cling to whatever shred of his youth might be hanging on. "Man-Child" comes to mind, Kind of the whole "Peter-Pan-Syndrome" thing....

None of this excuse negligence, and none of this rule out his true culpability AND NONE OF THIS WILL ACQUIT HIM but, he could have actually left the baby in the car because he was wrapped up in himself during those crucial moments.

Just an alternate viewpoint. That's all.

***As to the lunchtime visit, I'm working on that. I think he may have been trying to sort out the best, most "believable" reveal.
 
My theory is as follows: We know they tried long and hard to get pregnant, then moved to Atlanta, before the birth. Once there, RH hooks up online, and starts seeing himself as super-stud(?). LH is on to him, but from the photos and stories I've seen and heard, RH may have been the better parent. When life is not going as expected for LH, she never bonds with the baby, because she is obsessed that RH is messing up her perfect, Christian family ideal.
Now RH, aka SS, is so firmly into his 'HOTlanta' (yeah, it really used to be called that) lifestyle, LH is crimping his Joe Cool, big money image, so he takes over his paycheck and tells her 'I want a divorce'. She responds with 'I'm not keeping the baby'. You can only be so cool when being a single dad, so he cooks up a plan, and this idiot goes along with it, cause she still hopes to win loverboy back. She even said 'I'M DOING THIS FOR YOU'
I still think the day will come, when one or the other will turn. RH is the one rotting in jail, and after what was said in a probable cause hearing, his attornies may already be encouraging him to go for the deal, to save his life.
I hope to God that someone in these families stands up for the baby and calls them out and encourages them to tell the truth.
All MOO

sorry, I forgot- I think his plan was to find the baby at lunch, but when the co-workers dropped him they drove off to park, and he wanted witnesses when it all went down.
Interesting! I haven't seen this theory out there, and I think you might be onto something. The lack of emotion in both RH and LH could be explained by your theory.
 
I wondered if her remark just had to do with him being a "talker" in general. I know I am. If someone is telling a story, I ALWAYS am reminded of some OTHER story on the same topic, and sometimes derail the conversation. She may have known that it was the best thing for him to maintain his silence... as I recall, she said very early on that she would NOT speak to the press, and has not. If she knew that nothing you DON'T say can be used against you, that was a good call. She may only have been reminding Ross that he should not say ANYTHING and that "saying too much" might mean saying anything that could be misconstrued.

I could not agree with this post more. I am also completely flummoxed by posters that are suspicious as to why she has retained counsel. I cannot imagine anyone in her shoes not retaining counsel.
 
I think it's also possible that he really did forget to turn to go to the daycare center, but remembered by the time he parked. Because he didn't want to be late (maybe losing the promotion because of lateness among other things), he decided to just park, go inside to make an appearance, clock in if they need to do that, and bring him when he could find an excuse to get away for a few minutes. Either he was suddenly swamped with work (unlikely) or otherwise distracted, he never made it back out there until after lunch, and it was too late by then. The rest of it is pretty much the same as my first theory here.

My main reasons for wondering about these things are that he did seem to genuinely care about CH, but I find it hard to believe he didn't know CH was in the car when he got out of it.

If it had been an accident that occurred in this way, I really feel that he would have called an ambulance as soon as he noticed. He should have been mortified that lunchtime if he had intended for him to survive his stay in the car. Not casually carrying on with his day.

Based on this, I believe that it has to be either premeditated murder or a complete mistake (too busy sexting to think about poor Cooper). I don't believe he knowingly left him in the car without intending him to die. The Internet searches should have made him aware how dangerous this was.
 
Thank you Confusion for starting this thread.

What if RH did forget?

He leaves CFA, goes directly to work thinking he dropped Cooper off prior to eating at CFA.

He usually drops Cooper off first, grabs himself something to eat at CFA and then goes to work - His attorney states that's more his routine than the other way around. (CFA, day care, then work). Bringing Cooper to CFA was a specialty, not the norm. So he may have been on an autopilot leaving CFA parking lot rushing to get to work.

With hearing loss to the right ear having low audio of Cooper, driving distraction/heavy traffic needing to concentrate, window may have been down with outside noises drowning his left good ear, radio on volume high - most of all, probably can't wait to meet new hook ups on line. So he parks his car thinking only about his computer and getting on line. He never notices Cooper and the 30 second stall was to make sure window up, radio off, and the computer was all intact. Then goes into work never noticing he forgot Cooper until later in the day as he claims.

Or....the 30 second stall was RH notices Cooper, but sits and contemplates, and rationalizes that Cooper would be fine for a little while. He'll take him to day care at break but before lunch, then goes in to work. RH forgets about him again, because he's tangled with his sexting, movie planning, and making lunch plans with his friends. It's not until he drops the light bulbs off that he realizes he forgot about Cooper, but looks like he is sleeping so RH figures he'll let him rest and leave work early to drop him off at day care. That's why he texts LH his "when are you picking up my buddy" comment. He has to leave work early to beat LH to day care, but he's also going to be late to the movies and let's his friends know.

RH leaves work, gets in suv but because of his loss of smell (side effect from meds), he does not notice anything bad. After driving a distance, thinking Cooper's kind of quiet, he takes a good look behind. See's his color's off and thinks he's choking. Realizes he better get out of the car and check, but dreads what he may look like. Then the reality and horror and shock and all emotions explodes and he snaps.

What have I done - I killed my son. Some one else now is trying cpr. He's off to the side trying to contact LH - Our child is dead, he gets word to her? Maybe the 6min call is someone at day care room 5, trying to listen to all the commotion, but not saying anything? Phone to good ear so he can't hear police telling him to get off the phone, he's all frazzled, tells cop to eff-off. Cop takes phone away disconnecting the call. Now he's hand cuffed and in the police car. He can't understand what's happening, didn't talk to anybody on that call, yet, the one's on the other end knows something bad's happened. LH and day care worker thinks he's still at work parking lot. LH now thinking "he must have left Cooper in the car, it's the only explanation" and meet police at HD parking lot.

At HD parking lot police inform LH Cooper's dead, maybe tell her he's been taken away in ambulance. RH's arrested and at the jail. So she decides to go see RH. They talk, he can't understand what's happening, in his mind he's done nothing wrong, Cooper was ok, can't believe it. Thought maybe he was choking, dreaded how he would look. Thinks he'll loose his job. Says, our son is dead, what have I done, I killed our son. LH says "did you say too much" in reference to RH stating I killed our son?

This is an alternate theory explaining some of the main points.

Yes RH left Cooper in the car all day, but what if it was not intentionally to kill him. It's just that he forgot about him several times through out the day. Checking on him, thinking he's ok, just resting. Making plans to drop off a live Cooper each time, but that too did not go as plan.


my opinion, and all that jazz :moo:

REALLY REALLY GOOD! I too thought he might have the "memory" of dropping Cooper off because of removing him from the car at CFA. But he and Cooper ate there. I do not know if he normally went there alone and ate at a table... if so, this all fits. If he normally grabs food to go when it is just him, the fact that he did not have a bag of food when he exited the car would have jogged his memory that he had forgotten something.
 
But, would he leave all the windows closed?

Couple of ways I see that being answered, again, I'm going with the what ifs.

IF he left Cooper intentionally but not to kill, and it was going to be a short while (no idea what short while equates to) windows would be closed?
IF he left Cooper intentionally but not to kill, and it was going to be a long while, I would hope windows would be open for some air, and breeze.

Since windows were closed I'm thinking:
He left Cooper intentionally to kill him, intentionally but not to kill, or he forgot all together.

I'm not here to excuse his actions, find an innocent reason, or to defend him - but I do like to know that there's room for open discussion even if the thought or explanations are not with the main stream conclusion.

my opinion, etc., :moo:
 
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