Andrea Lyon New DP Atty

[Gaia713]

Casey's treatment in jail has NOTHING to do with the murder case. There are proper channels in which to deal with this "cruelty" which KC has to pursue. There are grievance procedures for prisoner treatment. Baez has no legal ground to stand on using cruelty as a reason for keeping this tape secret.

The big question is WHY IS HE TRYING SO HARD to get it excluded. The only two legal grounds are the HIPPA and atty/client privilege - neither of which was violated in this tape.

The other issues - cruelty, and keeping her atty away fromher (which I seriously doubt) have to be addressed in a different court. KC never comoplained about being treated poorly. Baez is wasting his energy on this.

 

[cecybeans]

Casey's treatment in jail has NOTHING to do with the murder case. There are proper channels in which to deal with this "cruelty" which KC has to pursue. There are grievance procedures for prisoner treatment. Baez has no legal ground to stand on using cruelty as a reason for keeping this tape secret.

The big question is WHY IS HE TRYING SO HARD to get it excluded. The only two legal grounds are the HIPPA and atty/client privilege - neither of which was violated in this tape.

The other issues - cruelty, and keeping her atty away fromher (which I seriously doubt) have to be addressed in a different court. KC never comoplained about being treated poorly. Baez is wasting his energy on this.

Which invites the question is there anything obvious and visible (because there is no sound) which would be embarrassing or incriminating? The only thing which could embarrass KC is if she is seen to be angry. Any "tearing" or otherwise upset behavior on her part could easily be argued is concern for her child, if the SA were to interpret it otherwise. The fact that it was obvious to everyone that it was Caylee from the beginning is not all that incriminating I should think.

I tend to think it might be something more about JB's own behavior toward KC that is the big embarrassment here. He has already had his hand slapped more than once about inappropriate touching. It looks to me like all this over the top objecting is a smokescreen for something else he does not want us to see.

 

[Gaia713]

Which invites the question is there anything obvious and visible (because there is no sound) which would be embarrassing or incriminating? The only thing which could embarrass KC is if she is seen to be angry. Any "tearing" or otherwise upset behavior on her part could easily be argued is concern for her child, if the SA were to interpret it otherwise. The fact that it was obvious to everyone that it was Caylee from the beginning is not all that incriminating I should think.

I tend to think it might be something more about JB's own behavior toward KC that is the big embarrassment here. He has already had his hand slapped more than once about inappropriate touching. It looks to me like all this over the top objecting is a smokescreen for something else he does not want us to see.

I think so also. Baez has a history of not following jailhouse rules. Wouldn't it be awful for him if he's caught on tape?

 

[amethyst221]

Which invites the question is there anything obvious and visible (because there is no sound) which would be embarrassing or incriminating? The only thing which could embarrass KC is if she is seen to be angry. Any "tearing" or otherwise upset behavior on her part could easily be argued is concern for her child, if the SA were to interpret it otherwise. The fact that it was obvious to everyone that it was Caylee from the beginning is not all that incriminating I should think.

I tend to think it might be something more about JB's own behavior toward KC that is the big embarrassment here. He has already had his hand slapped more than once about inappropriate touching. It looks to me like all this over the top objecting is a smokescreen for something else he does not want us to see.

I'm trying to reserve judgement, but it makes you wonder. We've had hours of depositions describing the prelude, the event, etc. and discussing about everything for the general public. What is so bad about the visual?

 

[Chezhire]

I'm trying to reserve judgement, but it makes you wonder. We've had hours of depositions describing the prelude, the event, etc. and discussing about everything for the general public. What is so bad about the visual?

Bolded by me, Chezhire.

How about this:

 

[Chezhire]

(Couldn't resist.)

 

[amethyst221]

(Couldn't resist.)

and with good reason! The jury must see that scary *advertiser censored** face and it will be totally believable that she could do violence in an instant. Unless the contested video is both scary and porny or something, it would just be cumulative.

 

[Gaia713]

Bolded by me, Chezhire.

How about this:

The world has already seen that. I think it's more to do with Baez's behavior than Casey's. Anything else could be explained away by the stress of the day.

 

[Chezhire]

The world has already seen that. I think it's more to do with Baez's behavior than Casey's. Anything else could be explained away by the stress of the day.

G-I was trying to be funny, I wasn't being serious...

Though now that I think about it, the world might have seen Casey react like that to her parents' questions/comments, but the world hasn't seen Casey react like that to the finding of the remains of a young child so close to her parents' house.

 

[Gaia713]

G-I was trying to be funny, I wasn't being serious...

Though now that I think about it, the world might have seen Casey react like that to her parents' questions/comments, but the world hasn't seen Casey react like that to the finding of the remains of a young child so close to her parents' house.

Good point. However, I am sure it will not be difficult to get that reaction from her in court. I just can't see Baez, LKB or even AL being able to control her.

 

[Verité]

I thought this thread was an open discussion about the new defense attorney (vs. KC videos, etc.) Is anyone out there interested in pursing the discussion on AL?
I am.

 

[Verité]

Regarding Ms. Lyon's not disclosing the guilty party......................what a sad state we are in when letting ANYONE pay for a crime they did not commit and further, what a sadder state we are in when it is an officer of the court that is complicite. We are humans first, attorneys second. Always. No matter what. No matter who. She's another brilliant mind who has proven that the lines of the law are very very blurred and that justice is not without a pricetag.....or injustice for that matter

Yeah, I'm with you on all this--and this is what I thought we were discussing on this thread before it suddenly went off topic. Can we bring it back to Al,
please?

 

[amethyst221]

Sorry, I was OT. I commented on the use of students, above, but thought we had to go to another thread to talk about certain things involving MsL. ?? I'll be quiet now.

 

[Verité]

Sorry, I was OT. I commented on the use of students, above, but thought we had to go to another thread to talk about certain things involving MsL. ?? I'll be quiet now.

No,No, amythest, come back. I always love ur posts! You were just following a bunch of others which got me confused about
whether or not I was on the wrong thread. That's why I quote GMA above, the last post on topic.

Am I the only one who questions the need to ship in a bunch of law students from the DePaul Center for Justice, and wonder how that type infiltration
will impact the Jury/community as politics are used to obfuscate the evidence?

If Casey Anthony is truly innocent, why does she require a cadre of people and the trial require extensive delay until AL says so? I can't lose sight of
taxpayer dollars which underwrite such luxury. I would expect an attorney to proceed along the lines of Johnnie Cochran [in OJ], the best of the best
in my opinion, who had no more that a few staff involved.

 

[countzero]

No,No, amythest, come back. I always love ur posts! You were just following a bunch of others which got me confused about
whether or not I was on the wrong thread. That's why I quote GMA above, the last post on topic.

Am I the only one who questions the need to ship in a bunch of law students from the DePaul Center for Justice, and wonder how that type infiltration
will impact the Jury/community as politics are used to obfuscate the evidence?

If Casey Anthony is truly innocent, why does she require a cadre of people and the trial require extensive delay until AL says so? I can't lose sight of
taxpayer dollars which underwrite such luxury. I would expect an attorney to proceed along the lines of Johnnie Cochran [in OJ], the best of the best
in my opinion, who had no more that a few staff involved.

No you are not the only one wondering why the need for these law students to be there in Orlando or the place of venue change if granted.

Since AL blogs, why doesn't she Skype like the rest of us? Besides, if I remember correctly, when JB was in court crying about not getting the crime scene photos, he was ordered to make his computers secure to coordinate with Dr. G's office. So we know he has the abilities to run a secure server.

 

[NSS]

I'm trying to reserve judgement, but it makes you wonder. We've had hours of depositions describing the prelude, the event, etc. and discussing about everything for the general public. What is so bad about the visual?

Nothing probably.
When we first heard of the video we all discussed how this showed KCs guilt, given her (lack of) reaction to the Little Econ discovery.

Today, because of JB's fight we are discussing how her reaction could be considered normal, since we all KNEW it was Caylee, ergo KC assumed the same thing.

No need for any grand revelation in the video now, just a few more people seeking the "real" reason for this fight, and he'll have turned a few more toward the defenses - normal reaction - theory.

Job well done there.

 

[MissJames]

No you are not the only one wondering why the need for these law students to be there in Orlando or the place of venue change if granted.

Since AL blogs, why doesn't she Skype like the rest of us? Besides, if I remember correctly, when JB was in court crying about not getting the crime scene photos, he was ordered to make his computers secure to coordinate with Dr. G's office. So we know he has the abilities to run a secure server.

And it brings us back to the money issue.Transporting,housing and feeding everyone is expensive,even if you aren't paying them a salary.Will AL pay for that? or the college? or the students themselves?

 

[countzero]

And it brings us back to the money issue.Transporting,housing and feeding everyone is expensive,even if you aren't paying them a salary.Will AL pay for that? or the college? or the students themselves?

See, the money trail is what I don't understand. Whomever is financing the JB clan of attorneys must have complete faith in KC that she is innocent without a doubt and is financing the defense without expectation of any type of compensation after the trial is over.

Now, we are told law students will assist AL and her team. :waitasec:

This defense is not inexpensive even if some on the defense are claiming pro bono work. Someone has to pay transportation, lodging, food and a means o saving one's sanity from overload of work. Someone has to pay or filings and copies of docs released by the state. Someone has to pay for the independent forensic testing. Remember JB complaining to Judge Strickland on several occasions about the cost. By the way, did he ever pay that money owed to the county??? OT I know, but it does apply here kinda/sorta.

 

[Verité]

See, the money trail is what I don't understand. Whomever is financing the JB clan of attorneys must have complete faith in KC that she is innocent without a doubt and is financing the defense without expectation of any type of compensation after the trial is over.

Now, we are told law students will assist AL and her team. :waitasec:

This defense is not inexpensive even if some of the defense is claiming pro bono work. Someone has to pay transportation, lodging, food and a means of saving one's sanity from overload of work. Someone has to pay or filings and copies of docs released by the state. Someone has to pay for the independent forensic testing. Remember JB complaining to Judge Strickland on several occasions about the cost. By the way, did he ever pay that money owed to the county??? OT I know, but it does apply here kinda/sorta.

Back to Johnnie Cochran and the OJ "dream team," if OJ could afford the best of the best, so be it. But I start to question all the political interests
in this case when I hear about young folks being shipped in for duty from the DePaul Center for Justice. My guess is that the Center would have some
student stipends available in terms of work/study monies, grants, etc. to help fund this cause, to include funding for items you cite above. That's
not to say there's not Big $$ to come from that "clan's" involvement in book deals, prestigious awards, appointments, and so on down the line,
likely even a Big movie deal: "The Angel of Death Row goes to Orlando."

As to your bolded statement above, I wonder if there is "complete faith" in KC's innocence, or more that it is faith in AL to extract a verdict of NG
from the jury, regardless of the question of "innocence." And if KC is totally innocent as AL maintained at the last Court hearing, have the prosecutors
of Orlando been perpetrating some kind of horrendous fraud on the People?

 

[countzero]

Back to Johnnie Cochran and the OJ "dream team," if OJ could afford the best of the best, so be it. But I start to question all the political interests
in this case when I hear about young folks being shipped in for duty from the DePaul Center for Justice. My guess is that the Center would have some
student stipends available in terms of work/study monies, grants, etc. to help fund this cause, to include funding for items you cite above. That's
not to say there's not Big $$ to come from that "clan's" involvement in book deals, prestigious awards, appointments, and so on down the line,
likely even a Big movie deal: "The Angel of Death Row goes to Orlando."

As to your bolded statement above, I wonder if there is "complete faith" in KC's innocence, or more that it is faith in AL to extract a verdict of NG
from the jury, regardless of the question of "innocence." And if KC is totally innocent as AL maintained at the last Court hearing, have the prosecutors
of Orlando been perpetrating some kind of horrendous fraud on the People?

Good take on what I wrote. Which now I ask: Whomever is financing KC's defense, did they meet with AL prior to her first court appearance and approved of her as well as her defensive strategy in winning a no-guilty verdict at best, and AL's defensive strategy in getting her off the DP phase should KC be found quilty?