Hmmm, I wonder if the witness is a doctor, nurse or therapist.
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Hmmm, I wonder if the witness is a doctor, nurse or therapist.
Yeah, I wonder that too....
Hard to believe that Maddies was wrapped in a blanket for 2 days....
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Sky News, today 2 Dec., reports that the PJ not only flew to England to go over the DNA results with UK police but that they have already returned to Portugal. This appears to be the case although the PJ desires to reinterview all the principals. Seems inefficient and presages more delays. A question of bumf, I believe, since the doctors have been prepared for this questioning and say they are more than willing to cooperate. Prickle's news story is also fresh reporting on the mystery. There should be follow-up on those discoveries which may or may not connect to Madeleine. (Evidence in the abandoned barn and cell phone call O'Brien>McCann)
Texana
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Me, too.
And considering the number of blond children in countries where stereotypically, blond children are not expected to live as native citizens, I expect that we are going to hear about possible sightings of Madeleine for years.
This translated version was posted on the mirror forum this morning, as was the original .
El Mundo, Lunes 3 de Diciembre de 2007
Caso Maddie : se estrecha el cerco
The World, Wednesday December 3, 2007
'Case Maddie': the siege narrows
The wire tapping involving Gerry McCann and also Russell O'Brien, which would become suspect
LONDON - Seven months after the night he disappeared mysteriously Madeleine McCann his bed, police Portuguese seemed closer than ever to solving the case, which so much ink and money has caused. After a surprise visit to Elderby, Police Headquarters Leicestershire (UK), which depend Kate and Gerry McCann, the Portuguese authorities are preparing to return to question a group of nine British are at the heart of the mystery.
After cooperating with the British authorities, the Portuguese Judicial Police will be required to travel to England the next few weeks, with the aim of interrogating both Gerry and Kate McCann and seven of his friends with the parents of Maddie were having dinner the night of May 3.
The meeting Elderby between the Portuguese and British police in the presence of various specialists in forensics, served to reinforce the line of research equipment Paulo Rebelo continues since last July and which led to consider as arguidos ( suspects) marriage McCann.
The Portuguese Judicial Police still suspecting that Kate and Gerry McCann hid the body of her daughter, Madeleine, and simulated his abduction. A broad allegation that two other suspects, Robert and Russell Murat O'Brien. Contrary to what many thought so far, the Judicial Police has in its possession more evidence that simple DNA analysis.
According to various testimonies, available, for example, from the list of telephone calls made by the marriage McCann and his friends, and known also as the recipients of those calls and, in some cases, the exact content of the talks conducted by all members of the group.
The call that most intrigo the Portuguese police took place on June 10 between Russell O'Brien and Gerry McCann. The father of Maddie assure initially to the police that the call had been made from a location four kilometers from Ocean Club. However, listening to the calls and triangulating antennas enabled the Portuguese police, in collaboration with technicians British verify that such claims were false.
The place from where the call was made and the content of the signs are missing and the police want to explore in interrogations, which could lead to the rapid location of the body of Madeleine.
The triangulation of calls has enabled the police discovered an abandoned barn, where there was a towel stained with blood and debris from the trunk of Renault Scénic rented by McCann.
In addition, several videos and various photographs are part of the summary, particularly some showing that Murat already knew the group members. Aside from the strange coincidence that Murat had been in Exeter, where residents then Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, the police received from his British colleagues various elements that can prove that Gerry McCann and Robert Murat had already been seen and spoken on several occasions, even before the McCann travel to Praia da Luz.
A source close to the Attorney can confirm that there is sufficient evidence, regardless of the DNA test, to make formal accusations. But that decision was taken only after the interrogation, and near the end of the period after which the summary of the case ceases to be secret.
With the strengthening of the line of the investigation and the suspicions of the police on the Portuguese McCann, investigators have eight months to concluís content. From that moment, the process is made public, according to the new penal code Portuguese.
The situation of Robert Murat, Gerry and Kate could therefore worsen. Indeed, Murat was declared a suspect or arguido on May 14 and, therefore, his eight-month period ending in January. Marriage McCann was declared a suspect on September 7, which, in his case, the term expiring in May.
The plot thickens.
El Mundo, Lunes 3 de Diciembre de 2007
Caso Maddie : se estrecha el cerco
The World, Wednesday December 3, 2007
'Case Maddie': the siege narrows
The wire tapping involving Gerry McCann and also Russell O'Brien, which would become suspect
LONDON - Seven months after the night he disappeared mysteriously Madeleine McCann his bed, police Portuguese seemed closer than ever to solving the case, which so much ink and money has caused. After a surprise visit to Elderby, Police Headquarters Leicestershire (UK), which depend Kate and Gerry McCann, the Portuguese authorities are preparing to return to question a group of nine British are at the heart of the mystery.
After cooperating with the British authorities, the Portuguese Judicial Police will be required to travel to England the next few weeks, with the aim of interrogating both Gerry and Kate McCann and seven of his friends with the parents of Maddie were having dinner the night of May 3.
The meeting Elderby between the Portuguese and British police in the presence of various specialists in forensics, served to reinforce the line of research equipment Paulo Rebelo continues since last July and which led to consider as arguidos ( suspects) marriage McCann.
The Portuguese Judicial Police still suspecting that Kate and Gerry McCann hid the body of her daughter, Madeleine, and simulated his abduction. A broad allegation that two other suspects, Robert and Russell Murat O'Brien. Contrary to what many thought so far, the Judicial Police has in its possession more evidence that simple DNA analysis.
According to various testimonies, available, for example, from the list of telephone calls made by the marriage McCann and his friends, and known also as the recipients of those calls and, in some cases, the exact content of the talks conducted by all members of the group.
The call that most intrigo the Portuguese police took place on June 10 between Russell O'Brien and Gerry McCann. The father of Maddie assure initially to the police that the call had been made from a location four kilometers from Ocean Club. However, listening to the calls and triangulating antennas enabled the Portuguese police, in collaboration with technicians British verify that such claims were false.
The place from where the call was made and the content of the signs are missing and the police want to explore in interrogations, which could lead to the rapid location of the body of Madeleine.
The triangulation of calls has enabled the police discovered an abandoned barn, where there was a towel stained with blood and debris from the trunk of Renault Scénic rented by McCann.
In addition, several videos and various photographs are part of the summary, particularly some showing that Murat already knew the group members. Aside from the strange coincidence that Murat had been in Exeter, where residents then Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, the police received from his British colleagues various elements that can prove that Gerry McCann and Robert Murat had already been seen and spoken on several occasions, even before the McCann travel to Praia da Luz.
A source close to the Attorney can confirm that there is sufficient evidence, regardless of the DNA test, to make formal accusations. But that decision was taken only after the interrogation, and near the end of the period after which the summary of the case ceases to be secret.
With the strengthening of the line of the investigation and the suspicions of the police on the Portuguese McCann, investigators have eight months to concluís content. From that moment, the process is made public, according to the new penal code Portuguese.
The situation of Robert Murat, Gerry and Kate could therefore worsen. Indeed, Murat was declared a suspect or arguido on May 14 and, therefore, his eight-month period ending in January. Marriage McCann was declared a suspect on September 7, which, in his case, the term expiring in May.
The plot thickens.
Trino
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So, this means that if Murat isn't charged by sometime in January, the public gets to see the evidence against him? The same would be true of the McCanss by sometime in May? At least, we'll have more info rather than speculation.
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Now the papers are putting forward news about a witness taking cover. What he has to say is not news though. He claims that Kate McCann was crying out from the balcony of 5A that Madeleine had been taken. I have read that before in a description that had her also rushing back to the restaurant. For me, his testimony is not highly significant and does not undermine anyone's credibility. Much ado about nothing.
What I thought was most interesting about Mr. Baptiste's testimony was the fact that on the night of May 3rd he only remembered ONE person leaving the table and that was KM.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/23/nmcann123.xml
He recalled that on previous evenings the men left the table to check the kids much more frequently. Why not on May 3rd??
:waitasec:
Seems weird that a witness felt it necessary to go into hiding because of much ado about nothing....
Texana
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There are several possible explanations:
1) Mr. Baptiste simply did not notice the men (or women) leaving on May 3rd as they did previously. (Not a reasonable explanation overall, as if he notices one night, he would notice the next, and it is more likely he noticed the difference as he served them and went back and forth from the table, than not.)
2) Mr. Baptiste was distracted by unusually busy or otherwise unusual events at the restaurant. But again, with no reason to fabricate his story, he would say that "They may or may not have left, I was dealing with *advertiser censored*" rather than say they did not leave.
3) The men did not leave because there was no reason to check on the children as frequently as before. Possible explanations would include they had decided to give the children something to help them sleep more soundly to give the "babywatchers" a break, or some other reason.
There is some reason they altered their behavior that night, and for me there's only three logical explanations:
1) They did sedate the children, and unfortunately the kidnapper/abductor took advantage of that either deliberately or sheer luck
2) They did not check on the children as frequently because they decided, either outwardly or just by silent consensus, that they were not going to go as often, and again, luck played into either an accident or an abduction for Madeleine.
3) They did not check on the children as frequently in order to allow a greater window of time for an abduction story.
txsvicki
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I wasn't sure about starting a thread, so thought I'd post this link to the McCann's Christmas message to Madeline. It looks like this message should have come out a few weeks earlier. What if, just in case, some family has Madeline and has taken her out in public. More shoppers around the world might have had better chance to spot her.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071222/wl_uk_afp/britainportugalcrimechristmas_071222000802
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071222/wl_uk_afp/britainportugalcrimechristmas_071222000802
Trino
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Interesting that it begins with, "Madeline, it seems unlikely that you'll hear this..."
It could have been better worded as, "Madeline, I hope you can hear this..."
Trino
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag.....ge_id=1770
Police want to trace a blue tennis bag allegedly taken from Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing.
Detectives think the hold-all could have been used to carry Madeleine as she was taken away, or even to transport the three-year-old's body.
It belonged to the girl's father but has not been seen since the night of May 3, according to a Sky News documentary due to be broadcast on Cristmas Eve.
Expert Tony Rogers, who reviews unsolved cases for British police and worked on the Soham investigation, said: "If it's a bag of a size that could be used to take a child away from the flat, that would be of great interest to the investigating officer."
But McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell flatly denied that Mr McCann had lost a bag during the family's holiday.
He said: "As far as Kate and Gerry are concerned, there is no missing tennis bag. They came back from holiday with everything except of course, tragically, Madeleine."
Mr McCann told friends yesterday that he did not take any tennis equipment to Praia da Luz, and did not own a blue tennis bag.
But Sky News stood by its story, which it said came from sources who had travelled to the resort after Madeleine's disappearance.
At the time of the disappearance maritime police told fishermen and boat owners to watch out for anything unusual they spotted in the sea around the coast, including any black bin liners which could have been thrown into the water containing potentially vital evidence.
Portuguese police worked for several months on the theory that Madeleine died in her parents' holiday apartment and that her body was somehow transported to a hiding place after her death, but have been unable to find sufficient evidence to prove such a claim.
Forensic samples which they hoped would prove her body was transported in her parents' Renault Scenic, hired 25 days after she went missing, proved inconclusive.
Her parents have always denied any involvement in her disappearance and Mr Mitchell called the theory "ridiculous".
Police want to trace a blue tennis bag allegedly taken from Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing.
Detectives think the hold-all could have been used to carry Madeleine as she was taken away, or even to transport the three-year-old's body.
It belonged to the girl's father but has not been seen since the night of May 3, according to a Sky News documentary due to be broadcast on Cristmas Eve.
Expert Tony Rogers, who reviews unsolved cases for British police and worked on the Soham investigation, said: "If it's a bag of a size that could be used to take a child away from the flat, that would be of great interest to the investigating officer."
But McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell flatly denied that Mr McCann had lost a bag during the family's holiday.
He said: "As far as Kate and Gerry are concerned, there is no missing tennis bag. They came back from holiday with everything except of course, tragically, Madeleine."
Mr McCann told friends yesterday that he did not take any tennis equipment to Praia da Luz, and did not own a blue tennis bag.
But Sky News stood by its story, which it said came from sources who had travelled to the resort after Madeleine's disappearance.
At the time of the disappearance maritime police told fishermen and boat owners to watch out for anything unusual they spotted in the sea around the coast, including any black bin liners which could have been thrown into the water containing potentially vital evidence.
Portuguese police worked for several months on the theory that Madeleine died in her parents' holiday apartment and that her body was somehow transported to a hiding place after her death, but have been unable to find sufficient evidence to prove such a claim.
Forensic samples which they hoped would prove her body was transported in her parents' Renault Scenic, hired 25 days after she went missing, proved inconclusive.
Her parents have always denied any involvement in her disappearance and Mr Mitchell called the theory "ridiculous".
Trino
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I find the story confusing. Is it implicating an intruder or Kate and Gerry, since the article indicates that K & G deny its existence.
Texana
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I'm not sure whether or not the missing tennis bag story is credible, but I don't understand how Gerry could be such an avid tennis player and not have his own equipment at the resort. Did they have tennis rackets for rental? Otherwise, he simply couldn't have played daily.
Trino
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Good point.
I don't know that Gerry's bag was stolen. He said he did not take it with him.
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