April 15th wknd of Sleuthing

[JiminWilton]

anybody think court will be canceled tomorrow

Well, in a word... NO.

But it really does bring up some interesting things to think about. I mean, would it help Det. Daniels to have another day to think about and plan how to obfuscate, squirm, dis-remember and make the mean, nasty, whiny kitten-having Kurtz look dumb because Kurtz knows the difference in prosperity and prosterity? Nah...

 

[Danielle59]

does any one think it is strange the defense team told the Police be very careful with Nancy's cell phone...not any other phone just Nancy's

Brad would have known the steps needed to access the phone..I think he rigged the phone so it would erase..during the access attempt
I can't see Nancy locking her phone since she used it just the night before

Can you imagine if everyone who followed Sprint, or AT&T etc. instructions to access their phone if it got erased??

mine locks automatically after no use for about 10 minutes.

 

[Danielle59]

I think it would have been easier for him to just dispose of it.

Defense told them to be careful with her phone because they didn't know what was on it. I brought this up before too. Why didn't the police try to get into her phone immediately? As soon as she went missing? Why stick it in a drawer for a couple weeks when timing of things could have been so critical? And if he did rig it to "immediately erase" that would have been evident right away.

Especially after Young has said that based on his experience how important that a cell phone it.

 

[Danielle59]

I watched that argument..and altho Kurtz was attempting to frame it differently..It just came down to the "Tool" or Browser used to obtain the MFT...The defense got a copy of the Harddrive, and a copy of MFT obtained by the FBI..BUT what they did not get was just which TOOL they used to get their findings....AND that right now is TOP Secret as they cant allow CyberCriminals to know this....Too Bad..Soo Sad :floorlaugh:

No, Pros would not give Defense the output of the MFT, they said they didn't want the tool or the process, just the output.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Yes, that's what I said. Due to "homeland sec." concerns, they were not able to divulge that information. This is a clever way to get around sharing evidence with defense. I'm sure there are ways to work through it though. Perhaps they could have excluded these documents from public record. Regardless, this is something that will come up again in trials.

Maybe you can decide IF it is Homeland Security Issue or just plain protections for normal people that use Internet and get scammed for millions or *advertiser censored* or any other email malware ..Is it to secure your border or is it to protect innocents??..

Here;s the latest warnings by the FBI~ regarding your computer use and abuse by such scammers~~ Homeland or you "Backdoor"?

http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/e-scams/e-scams

E-Mails Containing Malware Sent to Businesses Concerning Their Online Job Postings

Telephone Collection Scam Related to Delinquent Payday Loans

These telephone calls are an attempt to obtain payment by instilling fear in the victims. Do not follow the instructions of the caller

Fraudulent Notification Deceives Consumers Out of Thousands of Dollars
Rental and Real Estate Scams

and the list goes on and on and on..Point is FBI has ways and means to search out these Cybercriminals..and they will NOT allow this ability to be exposed to the world....Homeland or just your HOME is the question :twocents:

 

[Albert]

That reply bothers me, but I did surmise earlier that they may have gotten into it and found it didn't meet their direction, but hurt it, and then they erased it.

Perhaps an investigation is needed to understand why the CPD acted in a very criminal manner!!

 

[LyndyLoo]

No, Pros would not give Defense the output of the MFT, they said they didn't want the tool or the process, just the output.

I respectfully disagree here..as MFT was turned over..but their expert could not duplicate it with their examination of the hard drive..and have no idea on how to duplicate how FBI got their MFT printout...The actual info was there but NOT enough info for reversed investigations for their expert...So I guess it comes down to agree to disagree....However JUST HOW> FBI got their findings is guarded..

BTW How would they even know their MFT was different from the FBI's anyway unless they had FBI's MFT??..All Defense know is they couldnt replicate same MFT..:banghead:

 

[borndem]

Thank you. That sounds more like Google Earth rather than google maps. The search wouldn't be something he would do if he were looking for a particular business close to his house.

BBM
Re Fielding Drive Google search on 7/11/08 -

Or a place to have a picnic...

 

[borndem]

View attachment 14667Here I am in Charleston, enjoying a B&B weekend, and look what jumped out at me...ducks and sticks!!

You are just too much!! Thanks for the :giggle: !

And ooohh, Charleston!!

 

[LyndyLoo]

Perhaps an investigation is needed to understand why the CPD acted in a very criminal manner!!

Interesting concept there..Investigate CPD as they try to implicate someone who didnt commit a crime instead of looking for the real purp.....Good idea :floorlaugh:..Good to know Police departments dont give a care about who did a crime..just plant it on someone else...:floorlaugh:

This is NOT intended to mock you Albert at all..just what some are attempting to allege is going on in this case..and I do think it is way beyond rationale....JMO

 

[SleuthSayer]

I respectfully disagree here..as MFT was turned over..but their expert could not duplicate it with their examination of the hard drive..and have no idea on how to duplicate how FBI got their MFT printout...The actual info was there but NOT enough info for reversed investigations for their expert...So I guess it comes down to agree to disagree....However JUST HOW> FBI got their findings is guarded..

That's not what I understood. The defense wanted both the tool/process and the output, but was willing to settle for just the output.

BTW How would they even know their MFT was different from the FBI's anyway unless they had FBI's MFT??..All Defense know is they couldnt replicate same MFT..:banghead:

The knew because the FBI expert testified to information that he said that he learned from the MFT output report and the defense supposedly did not know about that information. Thus, they claimed that they were not prepared to cross examine him on it.

 

[LaLaw2000]

anybody think court will be canceled tomorrow

I sure hope not, but there may be a very valid reason to do so with all of the damages in the area. I hope all of the jurors are safe and their homes not destroyed.

My heart just goes out to all residents of the areas affected by these monster storms!

 

[borndem]

I still don't understand how a search on 27518 would show Fielding Drive as the center of that area. Fielding Dr has always had a Raleigh zip code. And no where on USPS is there indication that the 27518 area code boundaries changed after 2008 as was testified, the USPS would have to put out notice since some people's zips would change.

I'm pretty sure the area of Fielding Drive (address is Raleigh NC) has always had the 27606 ZIP.

If you look up 27518 on google, you'll also see Timber Drive to the far right (east) on the google map. Timber also has a completely different ZIP code -- heck, it's in Garner! The map google presents on a ZIP code is just a broad parcel of land showing the ZIP code area and the area surrounding it. Then when you zoom in closer, you get even better detail (of course) of the area's streets.

 

[LyndyLoo]

That's not what I understood. The defense wanted both the tool/process and the output, but was willing to settle for just the output.

The knew because the FBI expert testified to information that he said that he learned from the MFT output report and the defense supposedly did not know about that information. Thus, they claimed that they were not prepared to cross examine him on it.

I think Kurtz motion or argument tried to make it sound that way..but the Judge overruled..due to the fact that they had indeed been given that info and couldnt cross exam because they didnt know how they (FBI) got their MFT report..Kurtz is very good at confusing things..but in the end he lost his argument because he got all the info he was entitled to..IMO anyway

 

[SleuthSayer]

I think Kurtz motion or argument tried to make it sound that way..but the Judge overruled..due to the fact that they had indeed been given that info and couldnt cross exam because they didnt know how they (FBI) got their MFT report..Kurtz is very good at confusing things..but in the end he lost his argument because he got all the info he was entitled to..IMO anyway

The prosecutor managed to mix the issues to the point that the judge believed that the defense had what they wanted. Here is my previous analysis of the entire debacle. I'm not sure why the prosecution was so dug in on not giving them the output so that everyone could just move on. Kind of makes you wonder what else may have been on their report.

 

[gbay]

For all of those people that do not believe that Brad is guilty...do you believe that he did in fact have motive, means and opportunity and the 6:40 a.m. phone call is confusing things or do you not believe that he had a motive, the means or the opportunity. Just curious!!

 

[borndem]

Purple bolding by me.

This is the part that really does not make any sense.

Fielding Dr.: Latitude: 35.72609 / Longitude: -78.748389

27518: Latitude: 35.730119 / Longitude: -78.773559

In order for Fielding Dr. to be the center of 27518, the 27518 Zip Code would have to extend several mile east of Fielding Dr.

Fielding Dr. is located East of 27518 within Zip Code 27606

I realize there has been testimony that the 27518 Zip Code "grew" however that would require notification and would have to again had to "shrink" such that Fielding went into the center of 27518 and then was moved back out to 27606. None of this happened.

Yes, Fielding Drive is east of the 27518 area ZIP code. On the same Google map, Timber Drive in Garner, NC is shown -- it has a 27529 ZIP. Further, if you look to the left (west) Jenks Road, Apex is shown -- that's ZIP 27523. Who knows why?

That's just what it shows when you google it. I have no idea why, but that's just what it shows. HTH.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Yes, Fielding Drive is east of the 27518 area ZIP code. On the same Google map, Timber Drive in Garner, NC is shown -- it has a 27529 ZIP. Further, if you look to the left (west) Jenks Road, Apex is shown -- that's ZIP 27523. Who knows why?

That's just what it shows when you google it. I have no idea why, but that's just what it shows. HTH.

I realize what Google shows my point was that by adding the latitude longitude to the story it became far less credible for me. the Lat/Long for Fielding Dr. has never been the center of 27518 zip on google or otherwise.

 

[LyndyLoo]

The prosecutor managed to mix the issues to the point that the judge believed that the defense had what they wanted. Here is my previous analysis of the entire debacle. I'm not sure why the prosecution was so dug in on not giving them the output so that everyone could just move on. Kind of makes you wonder what else may have been on their report.

This whole issue was thrashed out in a pre-trial hearing and an FBI affidavit was submitted to the court on exactly what was NOT allowed to be entered into evidence.. NO... Defense confusions were attempting to make the judge over-rule on his initial judgement...ALL pros. did was to point out that ruling and why the judge came to that judgement..He also told the judge he had turned over ALL information allowable under that ruling..So Kurtz lost in his HailMary attempt to get that initial ruling overturned..Didnt work IMO

BTW..It isnt the report Kurtz is so worried about as he got it in full view of what it shows...(Brad's search of Dump Site prior to murder)..BUT his ability to have his expert try and denounce their findings...thats the problem...and its the Tool or Browsing Program that isnt allowable to their expert..Too bad Sooo Sad!

 

[CuriousDad]

Good morning all. Glad to read you locals are all safe. Sounds pretty scary out there. When we first moved to NC, I was always confused with the tornado watches and warnings (couldn't remember which was more serious). But they both scared the heck out of me (being from CA I had never been in one). So I can imagine how scary last night must have been for you!

This post is directed mostly to the people still on the fence (and if you're not on the fence, please don't respond with sarcasm). Why is the Google Map not your smoking gun? What is the theory YOU think the defense is going to use with their Google witness? Could the date have been off (he searched after the body was found)? Could he have NOT zoomed in to Fielding Dr - let's say he was searching for a new shoe store and it was 3 miles from Fielding Dr, but when zoomed out Fielding Dr (and 1000 other streets) was on the map?

The map testimony just added confusion for me. I was strongly on the fence before because I just couldn't (and don't) see this crime being planned. He was too smart - especially to leave a google map on the computer. Even I know that. But if the defense cannot come up with a sensible, logical theory about the map (that doesn't make you roll your eyes), I'm off the fence.

Thoughts?

On the Google map - I did it the day they found her body. The satellite pics only showed woods where the body was dumped, with animation of the street overlayed. So - we all know Google map pics can be months or years old. That was a brand new section of the subdivision. If he was looking for a dump location, Google maps was not his tool. It only showed the older existing homes.