singularity,
Thanks for your interesting remarks. The thing about Fleet White's account is that he has never engaged in public interviews on the subject of the wine-cellar which forcefully suggests to me, that he has something important to say? I reckon he will say JonBenet was definitely not in the wine-cellar when he first looked.
That's a definite possibility. On the other side of the spectrum is the possibility he opened that door, saw an abomination, felt as if he had walked through the gates of hell, was "shell shocked", wasn't sure what to do from that moment forward, let the chips fall where they may, and when seeing it again with John, the scene looked quite different than how he saw it hours earlier. So different that it required a second look to sink in.
I also agree that his experience down there in that room the first time is not as ambiguous as he initially let on. While the truth might be closer to what you said than the exact opposite I posted above, I have one problem with her body not being there when Fleet opens the door and that is...
Where is she? JOhn never adequately explained his dropping off the grid several times that morning/afternoon and that time unaccounted for when Arndt was basically clocking him is a huge red flag IMO. If John is indeed staging various aspects of the crime scene and JOnbenet is not in the wine cellar between 6-9 am does he really have the nerve to risk moving her down there in a house full of people and the possibility someone will see him carrying her body? As crazy as it sounds for him to move her from room to room, sadly it is actually possible. Its obvious that the house was never fully searched .Rigor mortis would rule out something like that suitcase but almost any other area possible. One thing going against her being in a different area of the house are the layers of staging. All that staging down there, especialy in the wine cellar only makes sense if a body is in there.
Did any more info come out on that second cigar box? I'd like to know what exactly was in that box. Probably more photographs. That basement seems to have morphed into a virtual recycle bin for JBR photographs that no one wanted to cop to.
One other thing about the Whites....this comment from Patsy:
PATSY RAMSEY: He was -- and like I say, I am kind of like just catching, you know, wafts of these conversations. But that was my first recollection. I picked up on something that Fleet was not acting right. And they were going to keep him from going on the private plane back to Atlanta. So anyway, I didn't want to think too much about it, and then when we were in Atlanta, I just sort of remember Priscilla standing in my mother's living room, family room, you know, just kind of like this and saying,
"well I know what's going on" and she said,
"if you would give me a few minutes of your time, I could let you in on some things." And I turned to her and I said, "Priscilla, how can you know so much?" And I said, "I am the mother of this child. And I know nothing."
TOM HANEY: What was she referring to?
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue.
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Did Barney, Gomer, and Otis ever followup on that bombshell? This clearly ties in with the incident between Fleet and the Ramseys in Atlanta. What "things" does Priscilla know about? I also find it interesting that they seem afraid of Fleet to the point of wanting a gun and trying to hide from him before another confrontation can occur. Then factor in that bizarre scene at the church when Fleet was raving about how the media was questioning which one of them removed the tape from her mouth.
We haven't come close to hearing the real story on John and Fleet's activity in the basement that day.
IMO this is going to be a crucial year for this case. It is the anniversary of her murder, there will be a lot of attention on this story with new shows discussing it, and there's the possibility that somebody will talk or some new info leaked/uncovered that will lead us closer to the truth.
I also believe people will start talking after John dies.....whenever that happens.
Do you have a thread here somewhere with your theory posted?
Shades of the size-12's here, I'll bet the air was blue in the R's house after Patsy returned from her interview on the Bloomingdale's underwear!
Shades indeed. Even if the truth finally comes out I doubt we'll ever know the details on the missing underwear and their replacement that Rosie O Donnell could comfortably slip into.
Question is did the person who asphyxiated JonBenet know about the head injury, since it was only visible at autopsy?
Good question. If they didn't know about it then are they clueless as to why she's in distress? If clueless, why not rush her to the hospital? In that specific scenario they have not passed a point of no return yet.
Pertaining to the first section over Patsy playing dumb: One has lost their daughter, so why in the interviews would police layer prior abuse onto the crime, if it werent true? PRs responses about the cutesy photos and, above all, her response to the information that there had been prior sexual abuse, were off the charts abnormal. Instead of a reaction, one views a very controlled response: Show me the evidence. IMHO, she knew. She had placed emergency phone calls to the doctor on the 17th, the day JB won her trophies and the talent medal she gave to her father. Because neither the doctor nor PR could remember these calls, it points to concealment of the reason for the calls. It had to be something so important to PR that she called three times to reach the doctor. If it was an innocent reason, one wonders why neither she nor the doctor could remember.
Yeah it comes across as disingenuous at best. A parent finding out for the first time that their daughter may have been sexually assaulted before she wound up murdered should be outraged, fuming, be interested in finding out details, grilling them on this subject, and offering to help. Her "show me the money" stance is absurd and bordering on evil but this is from a family that apparently has degrees (only a "little bit") of molestation.
And I agree on the dishevelment in JAR's room. It did look very disturbed, though these back to back trips contributed to high stress in preparation, and so one can't truly conclude it wasn't simply chaotic packing. But what caught my eye were the drawers opened in the bathroom. My hunch (speculation upon conjecture here) is that because PRs medical supplies were kept in Jars bathroom PR may have been looking for something desperately. One of the items which used to be included in cancer patients kits and which is also included in some first aid kits, is smelling salts. The frantic action in the bathroom suggests that possibly JB was unconscious, and PR might have been looking for smelling salts to revive her. Just a possibility.
Smelling salts a possibility but at best it would account for the drawers only.
This exchange here:
0279-18) TRIP DeMUTH: Did you keep anything underneath that bed? My wife stores things under our bed.
PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't have anything under there. Get them out of the way sometimes. Could have been anything under there. I don't know.
THOMAS HANEY: This dust ruffle?
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, it's not hanging very straight right there. You know, it should be falling a little more smoothly. (INAUDIBLE.) THOMAS HANEY: What did you say?
PATSY RAMSEY: I say I am wondering if somebody was under that bed. That was -- THOMAS HANEY: Did you go under that bed for anything when you were packing?
PATSY RAMSEY: No. I can't remember. I mean, I never had a habit of putting things under that bed. Because it was -- it sat low, kind of low board, you couldn't get much under there.
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Is very disingenuous. According to Patsy, nothing can fit under there but in the same breath wonders if a person had been under that bed. It cant be both and she's smart enough to know that. She's intentionally muddying the waters.
Then there's this:
(0280-15) THOMAS HANEY: But that's John Andrew's room?
PATSY RAMSEY: When he was there. You know, we just referred to it as his room.
THOMAS HANEY: Do you know when John Andrew last would have stayed there?
PATSY RAMSEY: Not for sure.
THOMAS HANEY: Did he store other things there?
PATSY RAMSEY: I know he had some of his things, some college, at the house, but I really can't tell you where they were or what it was.
THOMAS HANEY: But he would have had things of his in the house?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
THOMAS HANEY: But you just can't say what for sure would have been in that room?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
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Ridiculous. They should have got in her face and screamed at her to cut the crap. Its JAR's room but on the other hand it isn't, has no idea when her own step son stayed there last and really no idea what could be in there even though she had just been in there.
While I like to keep an open mind on this case I cannot give them a free pass on dancing around key aspects of the crime. She knows even more than they do how this area of the house factors in to that night's events yet attempts to distance herself from anything in the room and anything that might have been in there. Even if she had absolutely nothing to do with her murder she would instantly realize the nanosecond after viewing these photographs that it was a hotbed of activity that night. She does not mention that so she is concealing that fact. Do innocent people do that?
I also find the videotapes thrown all over the floor to be disturbing considering there's a pile of photographs in the basement and Patsy's attempt to chalk this scene up to "Oh we had Barney videos years ago" to be very chilling.
Here's that exchange for anyone here who might not know or remember what I'm talking about:
PATSY RAMSEY: We had run a videotape out there. I wonder why those are out there. (INAUDIBLE.)
TRIP DeMUTH: Do you keep videotapes in that room?
PATSY RAMSEY: There was some videos in this cabinet here, mostly ones that were older, you know, that the kids used more when they were really young, with Barney and those kind of things. I don't know why those would be on the floor.
TRIP DeMUTH: Were you going to take videos with you to Charlevoix or to the Big Red Boat for any reason?
PATSY RAMSEY: No. I mean, we may have wanted to take some to Charlevoix, but typically the ones that the kids had watched, you know, more currently, would be in their room.
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How she attempts to get one step ahead of them by pointing out how those videos are out of place and then immediately downplays the videos in question makes me want to scream.
