Armchair Psych Profile and JH's Background

[Padua]

Because there is HIPAA, doctor patient confidentiality, and a gag order in place.

Earlier on, it was reported Holmes worked at McDonalds before going back to school. I would like to hear about his behavior from a manager or coworker. I wonder if any reporters are going to look into that.

 

[KathrynL]

Most likely yes. He either asked, or his defense attorneys told him, or an investigator just to see how he would react-even if the defense attorneys were present, jail staff could have told him. Don't know if he has access to t.v., radio, or newspapers. He would certainly know the minute he was escorted into the Courtroom if he was not told already.

He does have access to tv/media.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/07/26/theater-shooting-suspect-could-be-reading-watching-tv-stories-about-himself/

 

[orora]

re:

jjenny
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by orora
Just seems to me a whole lot of the speculation could be cleared up with some very basic information. Homes past record of MI and past history of being medicated. Obviously family and medical professionals would know. It will all come out anyway and has no benefit either way to being kept secret. Up til the time of seeing the good doctor Fenton that is. I can see some potential legal issues there, but whether there is or isn't a track record over a significant period of time should be a demonstrable foundational point for much of what is being discussed. Why don't we know?

Because there is HIPAA, doctor patient confidentiality, and a gag order in place.

Is the HIPAA mandatory and binding on family even? Mother being a nurse (as well as mother)

The gag order was arbitrary but nontheless binding on media. Does it specifically name the information that is not to be disclosed? Is it totally comprehensive as in no information to be released by any parties on any subject?

Why we don't know is still my question and it goes somewhat to the earlier discussion of the mother saying you have the right man. What did she know and when and are there legal liability issues for her as well? I fail to see why we don't know whether Holmes was ill or not before this happened other than saving someone's *advertiser censored* from their own potential legal issues.

 

[Liz]

It can only be called premeditated if he acted alone.

was in response to:

What he did was premeditated and he deserves to be held accountable for his own actions and manipulation.

She's posted more than once about MI people being easily manipulated; set up, so to speak.

So imo, Song probably meant that if someone set JH up, then he wouldn't/couldn't be charged with premeditation. That's my interpretation. MOO

However, the Chief has arrested the "lone gunman", and that's highly unlikely to change, imoo.

 

[KDOGG]

Why we don't know is still my question and it goes somewhat to the earlier discussion of the mother saying you have the right man. What did she know and when and are there legal liability issues for her as well? I fail to see why we don't know whether Holmes was ill or not before this happened other than saving someone's *advertiser censored* from their own potential legal issues.

this is incorrect. she didnt say 'u have the right man'. she said 'u have the right person' when the police asked for her.

 

[jjenny]

this is incorrect. she didnt say 'u have the right man'. she said 'u have the right person' when the police asked for her.

It was actually a reporter, not police, who contacted her. She also explained that by "you have the right person" she meant herself-she was the mother of James Holmes.

 

[KDOGG]

It was actually a reporter, not police, who contacted her. She also explained that by "you have the right person" she meant herself-she was the mother of James Holmes.

this is what i was saying.

but yes, i was wrong about it being the police...my apologies.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Why can’t they get anything from this guy at all?
Aren’t they talking to him?
Or are they just observing his hair and eyes :waitasec:

This made me giggle:giggle: in thinking about the above in a "literal" sense when you asked were they observing his hair.. I pictured a team of investigators keeping vigil over the offendingly hideous orangey red Ronald McDonald hairdo of the shooter.. Observing and documenting the hair..lol..

Tho, in all reality with kidding aside I understand what you meant.. I very much enjoy and always read your posts, songline.. I think you have been a very valuable poster in this case and know and recognize that not only do you have personal first hand knowledge/experience with MI, along with the what appears to me to be a very loving, supportive mother who has very much been willing/ready to do all the hard and long term work of continuing educating yourself about MI, learning from other parents who I assume you all would be a treasure trove of not only sharing each others knowledge and experience, but also being of great support and understanding to one another.. Your daughter is blessed with a wonderful mom who IMO has quite likely been a pillar of what is the epitome of unconditional love and support to your daughter over the years..

We may disagree on certain points, or more specifically our opinions seem to differ as to exactly what type/degree of MI is truly present in the shooter.. As I've said before you may be correct and Id be stupid to deny that possibility and am not opposed to it being a later well proven fact.. At this time its not.. But one things certain IMO all in due time we wIll learn the information that IMO is a necessity to be certain either way..

I very much appreciate your knowledge and experience and the fact that we happen to disagree about certain issues does not at all negate or lessen my appreciation and gratefulness to your continued input on this case..:hug:

 

[HastingsChi]

Why can’t they get anything from this guy at all?
Aren’t they talking to him?
Or are they just observing his hair and eyes :waitasec:

Doesn't make sense songline-- Holmes is more than happy to give up vital information upon arrest at the scene this ruining his plan and goals but won't say a peep after?!? It really just doesn't add up...

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[HastingsChi]

I can only speculate that I'd think his attorneys would inform him. The next question would be, how much is he able to comprehend?

I'm astonished that his attorneys didn't make sure his appearance was "cleaned up" after the initial appearance. Unless of course him looking like a psychopath or bad actor (depending on one's opinion) will play a major role in their presentation defending him....

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[21merc7]

He's probably not telling anything now b/c he has attorneys that must be present. If he wasn't talking before then, well, it is part of the game-make them work for it, see if they are smart enough to figure it out.

I'm also surprised the defense doesn't have him cleaned up yet. Maybe b/c no cameras are there, or they are just waiting until a jury is present.

 

[Liz]

I'm astonished that his attorneys didn't make sure his appearance was "cleaned up" after the initial appearance. Unless of course him looking like a psychopath or bad actor (depending on one's opinion) will play a major role in their presentation defending him....

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Maybe the way he appeared was cleaned up 'for him'. I mean the way the drawings depict his hair and all, all smooshed down, instead of all wild like (aka 'the Ronald McDonald look'). The AP reported said his hair looked as if he'd been wearing a hat. I don't think they allow 'hats' in jail though. lol

 

[jjenny]

He's probably not telling anything now b/c he has attorneys that must be present. If he wasn't talking before then, well, it is part of the game-make them work for it, see if they are smart enough to figure it out.

I'm also surprised the defense doesn't have him cleaned up yet. Maybe b/c no cameras are there, or they are just waiting until a jury is present.

They might not want him cleaned up if they are going for the insanity defense.

 

[Curious Me]

Someplace in my mind while I'm sleeping I'm still struggling with why, why, why . . .

l ask why of all crimes. I want to believe the criminal is in control of their own decisions. Yet, I realize that's not always true. It'd be more of a comfort to stick a MI label on his reasoning, and have proof of how everyone failed this young man. He had no way out of doing what he did?

In fact, it'd be easier to just go with MI for everybody that commits senseless crimes. No label of just plain evil, selfish, etc., But no, that'd be unfair and further the stigma of MI. We need to know there's still ways to avoid outcomes like this in the future.

If he couldn't stop himself, then could anybody else have stopped him? At some point, it seems criminals decide they just don't care anymore and some decide to raise h3ll on society. Is that always MI?

The people here, every single one of you, hashing this out on this thread are to be applauded for struggling with these questions.

 

[21merc7]

Curios Me;

It is not always MI. Some people just don't care and are jerks like that.

 

[Curious Me]

Neither here nor there, but I can't imagine deciding to do something I knew would put me in prison for a long time. He seemed to know! Was it a decision more preferable than going back home feeling like a failure? What would ever make killing innocent people and prison seem more appealing? At the very least, I have to say, flawed thinking was going on in that boy's head.

 

[21merc7]

Neither here nor there, but I can't imagine deciding to do something I knew would put me in prison for a long time. He seemed to know! Was it a decision more preferable than going back home feeling like a failure? What would ever make killing innocent people and prison seem more appealing? At the very least, I have to say, flawed thinking was going on in that boy's head.

I don't know what he was thinking. Maybe he knew he couldn't cut it as a scientist but still wanted to be known for something. Maybe he was ticked off at the world. I really don't know.

I do know the many reasons I have heard from other murderers that are not MI, and yes, they did have to talk with the forensic psychologists/psychiatrists, not a thing wrong with them. They just don't give a hoot about human life. The reasons are so mundane it is offensive to caring humans, incomprehensible to us. They just think differently. Sometimes it is their upbringing, sometimes it is not, it is just the way they think.

ETA: A second sort of question I think I see in there. Some people do prefer living life in jail. (Maybe not facing the question of the death penalty.) Many inmates get out and find it hard out here. One guy told me he liked jail better b/c he knew what was up with everyone, everyone had a clear place, no areas to figure out.

Some glamorize the idea of free rent, food, education, medical/dental/vision, and even cable tv in some jails, etc.., no responsibilities and just a small part time "duty" for a job. Have to admit I don't have all of that, but I don't want to go to jail!

 

[HastingsChi]

Breaking News

ABC News is exclusively reporting that Fenton wrote the university's policy on threat assessment and in June alerted her concerns about Holmes to the university's threat assessment team; but when Holmes announced he was dropping out, the threat assessment team took no action.


More details to follow shortly..



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[HastingsChi]

Here is the full article; I basically transcribed the details of the report on World News with Diane Sawyer in my earlier post:

Psychiatrist Called Threat-Team About Aurora Shooting Suspect James Holmes

Aurora, Colo., shooting suspect James Holmes came to the attention of the threat assessment committee at the University of Colorado but no further action was taken because he left the school more than a month before the attack that killed 12 and injured 58, sources told ABC News.

ABC News has learned that Dr. Lynne Fenton, the psychiatrist who was treating Holmes, 24, at the school, was also a key member of the university's threat assessment team. The group of experts were responsible for protecting the school from potentially violent students.

KMGH-TV, ABC News' affiliate in Denver, reported exclusively that, according to sources, by early June, Fenton had informed other members of the team about her concerns regarding Holmes.

But on June 10 -- three days after Holmes bought an assault weapon and added it to his already growing arsenal -- he suddenly told the university that he was dropping out of the neurosciences doctoral program with no explanation.

 

[newsleuther]

If that is true, the school is going to have major egg on their face

"A threat? He dropped out so who cares"