AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

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Over a year after the accident ... so after Sept 2009.
DH had gone to ground his is partner in Alice Springs said.
This was scribbled on a hand written note on DH file.

Who is the partner in Alice Springs?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Trauma of Karlie suspect’s crash

I think it's HP, curious . He's gone to ground cause he's been a bad Daniel, can't face HP yet, but will eventually return, cap in hand, and she'll take him back, cause he's a charmer, a liar, a performer of the top caliber.
He goes back because now he thinks he's safe, but he wants to be in SA, close to Karlies family, where he can keep his ear to the ground and make sure no one is really looking for her too hard.
 
It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter’s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1227599497241

The grandmother noticed that Karlie had not used her centerlink payments for a fortnight.
I am not placing judgement but if I were to open my child's mail I do not think I would notice they had not used their centerlink payments unless I was looking specifically for that.
Which would mean I already had some concerns.
This is when they began looking ... at the end of 2008.
Began looking ... where and how?
How long did Karlies mail continue to go to grandmothers?
 
It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter’s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1227599497241

The grandmother noticed that Karlie had not used her centerlink payments for a fortnight.
I am not placing judgement but if I were to open my child's mail I do not think I would notice they had not used their centerlink payments unless I was looking specifically for that.
Which would mean I already had some concerns.
This is when they began looking ... at the end of 2008.
Began looking ... where and how?
How long did Karlies mail continue to go to grandmothers?

Yes that does seem odd. Is the grandmother (Mrs Duffy) still alive? Maybe all these years later someone confused the dates?
 
I am way overtired...but with this link..stating that her Grandmother was concerned because Karlie hadn't accessed her.........

Hang On......when have any of us opened a centrelink letter that gives any indication we haven't accessed (drawn on) a payment???

Does that even make sense??... I have three kids and have had family payments....never had any letter stating I haven't drawn money from my account.....doesn't make any sense...unless the Grandmother had access to Karlie's account details to see that Karlie hadn't made a withdrawal....help...anybody????....weird...
 
It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter’s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1227599497241

The grandmother noticed that Karlie had not used her centerlink payments for a fortnight.
I am not placing judgement but if I were to open my child's mail I do not think I would notice they had not used their centerlink payments unless I was looking specifically for that.
Which would mean I already had some concerns.
This is when they began looking ... at the end of 2008.
Began looking ... where and how?
How long did Karlies mail continue to go to grandmothers?

mmm yes, I have the same questions. What else went to grandmas, and what else was kept at grandmas. Birth certificates maybe? And don't forget our helpful and so well intentioned Crimestoppers Informant is looking over grandmas shoulder as she's reading the mail.....
 
OK, Dutch, all refuelled. I agree with the possible reason you gave regarding Karlie buying the suitcase for Khandalyce because they were somehow splitting up. A further question pops into my head. Was Khandalyce also going to travel, say to someone in The Alice, or was the suitcase bought for another child because she was travelling with Karlie, either alone or in the company of (an)other(s), to someone in the ACT while a parent was unable to care for her?

As for the sightings of Karlie and Khandalyce in the ACT together, I think other posters have provided links. It is interesting to ponder if Karlie was seen with another little girl of a similar age, who wasn't Khandalyce. I suppose it's possible.

The logistics have bothered me, too, Dutch. I can't imagine anyone driving such a long way with decomposing remains in their car. I suppose it's possible Khandalyce was murdered in the ACT (or NSW) not long after Karlie, her remains hidden (in, say, the ACT or another part of Belanglo State Forest), and moved to SA after Karlie's remains were found in 2010.

As for the whereabouts of DJH and HP's child, during this time, I think they're off limits as one is subject to sub judice and the other is a minor.

A few things stick out in what you have both said. First of all the idea of Khandles decomposing body being driven back. The police have said she died later.
The suitcase.... Why is it thought it was bought for Khandles or another child? If you are travelling or looking after a child I would think it was meant for them as a family unit. IMO it was theirs not Karlies or Khandles. <modsnip>
I'm not sure about how relevant the birth certificate or any items of them both being found at family if DH is. They were in a relationship apparently. It does imo suggest knowledge of their deaths or fraud possibly but not necessarily murder.,


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I am way overtired...but with this link..stating that her Grandmother was concerned because Karlie hadn't accessed her.........

Hang On......when have any of us opened a centrelink letter that gives any indication we haven't accessed (drawn on) a payment???

Does that even make sense??... I have three kids and have had family payments....never had any letter stating I haven't drawn money from my account.....doesn't make any sense...unless the Grandmother had access to Karlie's account details to see that Karlie hadn't made a withdrawal....help...anybody????....weird...

Agree 100 %. It does not say if you have accessed them. It just tells you what the payment is.
 
I am way overtired...but with this link..stating that her Grandmother was concerned because Karlie hadn't accessed her.........

Hang On......when have any of us opened a centrelink letter that gives any indication we haven't accessed (drawn on) a payment???

Does that even make sense??... I have three kids and have had family payments....never had any letter stating I haven't drawn money from my account.....doesn't make any sense...unless the Grandmother had access to Karlie's account details to see that Karlie hadn't made a withdrawal....help...anybody????....weird...

True, I think its likely Karlie's Grandmother learnt that Karlie hadn't been accessing her Centrelink payments via opening mail addressed to Karlie that contained her bank statement & studying it.

She quite possibly felt that something wasn't right, she was probably very worried about her Granddaughter & Great Granddaughter. This worry would be a viable reason as to her opening Karlie's mail & making this discovery. I can only imagine that she must of been extremely concerned for their welfare after learning this.
 
Yes that does seem odd. Is the grandmother (Mrs Duffy) still alive? Maybe all these years later someone confused the dates

The grandmother Connie Duffy died around Aug 2011.
 
Yes that does seem odd. Is the grandmother (Mrs Duffy) still alive? Maybe all these years later someone confused the dates?[

The grandmother Connie Duffy died around Aug 2011.
About a year after admitting to that little bit of green stuff and her 25 year old carer to the rest. :thinking:
 
It was when Mrs Duffy opened her granddaughter&#8217;s mail and noticed her Centrelink payments had not been touched for a fortnight that she and friends first suspected something was wrong and began looking for Ms Pearce-Stevenson in late 2008.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1227599497241

The grandmother noticed that Karlie had not used her centerlink payments for a fortnight.
I am not placing judgement but if I were to open my child's mail I do not think I would notice they had not used their centerlink payments unless I was looking specifically for that.
Which would mean I already had some concerns.
This is when they began looking ... at the end of 2008.
Began looking ... where and how?
How long did Karlies mail continue to go to grandmothers?
That's a bit odd eh, what about her driving license renewal, car rego renewal, and when that wasn't renewed the notice to hand in the plates. She was of voting age, if she was on the roll and didn't vote, the notice to explain...... where was this mail going?
 
I think that by 'Karlie hadnt accessed centrelink payments' they mean accessed her bank account. Her Grandmother probably looked at a bank statement and saw that money had been paid in from centrelink but not used, and that didn't follow the usual pattern.
 
True, I think its likely Karlie's Grandmother learnt that Karlie hadn't been accessing her Centrelink payments via opening mail addressed to Karlie that contained her bank statement & studying it.

She quite possibly felt that something wasn't right, she was probably very worried about her Granddaughter & Great Granddaughter. This worry would be a viable reason as to her opening Karlie's mail & making this discovery. I can only imagine that she must of been extremely concerned for their welfare after learning this.

I agree symbah

So what convinced grandmother that Karlie and Khandalyce were OK?
The next bank statement...that would have been a while coming. imo
OR who? It had to be someone she knew and trusted. imo
 
Lol...no need to link for me Bohemian.... been here from the start - like you....

Reporting anonymously after such a lengthy period Mmmm people become desensitized after awhile...could that be the reason??...or was there still a real threat.... <modsnip> Someone else?? do we have the bigger picture yet??? Maybe not.....maybe it's that simple....desensitized.

Lol.....people surprise me all the time....I'm even gobsmacked by the supposedly stereotypical assertions made.....No offense...but Mr Egg thrower may just been really peeved off at the media intruding on his ordinary life and had no other social skills to address that situation....none us really know this persons background, achievement's etc....do we??

You come to my house throwing accusations around my hubby for some past offence I am unaware of you maybe greeted with the same response....and I wouldn't describe myself as being dumb witted or having lower social economic status = intelligence....it may simply be a reaction to a situation....and simply raw emotion... and you may get eggs thrown at you from me or worse...as I have chooks and an arsenal of farming debris - so watch out!!

Your a mouse that may raw...??? You may come off looking foolish, foolhardy, a few cent's short of a dollar.....it's subjective yes???

Yeah, I get your points, puggs. Links are for others :)

By 'roaring' I mean I give a steely blue-eyed look and my voice lowers. Very intimidating so I'm told. No weapons needed except a few quiet words to the person yanking my chain. All of my family are at least 12 inches taller than me and when I 'roar' they back off even though I wouldn't hurt a fly.

Egg-throwing, etc, is the hallmark of a drama queen. The more you give the media, the more attention you get and you can be sure HP's silk would have made her cognisant of that. I'm not saying the wheelchair pusher is unintelligent, just maybe being manipulated.
 
With the help of a friend who know this stuff, I have been researching how accurate the data the police have about DH's mobile phone pinging in Belanglo.

We found this article, actually from 2008, very useful to explain exactly what sort of data and its accuracy was available at the time http://searchengineland.com/cell-phone-triangulation-accuracy-is-all-over-the-map-14790
Then searching for the location of phone towers around Belango using this site http://onwireless.com.au/step-3b-search-the-acma-website.html we found that there are only 2 giving coverage.

So the area of a 2008 phone ping within the forest is in a bi-radial arc, 5.1 kms long and 3.2 kms wide.
Given that Belanglo Forest is 6kms diameter, this would mean the phone could have been located pretty much anywhere within the forest.
 
A few things stick out in what you have both said. First of all the idea of Khandles decomposing body being driven back. The police have said she died later.
The suitcase.... Why is it thought it was bought for Khandles or another child? If you are travelling or looking after a child I would think it was meant for them as a family unit. IMO it was theirs not Karlies or Khandles. <modsnip>
I'm not sure about how relevant the birth certificate or any items of them both being found at family if DH is. They were in a relationship apparently. It does imo suggest knowledge of their deaths or fraud possibly but not necessarily murder.,


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Investigators have said consistently that they think Khandalyce died some time after Karlie but they don't know when or where for that matter, hence the delay in charging a suspect. Also as Wynarka was not the primary crime scene, Khandalyce or her remains could have been hidden/transported over time and/or distance after Karlie was allegedly murdered. All unknowns as reported to date.

I suggested the suitcase was bought for another person because one of them may have been travelling elsewhere and needed their own luggage, or they all needed it for (an) additional traveller(s) who was going to be cared for away from home.

I don't remember discussing the birth certificate or where it was found, along with any additional items, just posting a link about it that Makara asked a fellow WSer for as I had it handy.
 
Interesting about the grandmother noticing the bank account hadn't been access for a fortnight .... there was that three week gap between November 24th and December 16th. However- Even if Karlie received a bank statement by post every month (which is an awful lot) that would mean a statement to the 30th Nov was sent around in the first week of December. Therefore the last transaction was on the 24th and the end date was the 30th, that's only 6 days...
Most people for an everyday non-business account would receive a statement quarterly I would think.....

Her grandmother wasn't that old (early 60s) so maybe she had internet access to Karlie's bank account but again that doesn't sound right either.

Something fishy in the information given perhaps. - Although I think it has little relevance to time of deaths or who did it.
 
Thanks for paraphrasing, soso. I thought this might be the case.

From the comments, it seems someone may not be as demure as they appear on camera. I suspected as much.

Something has been bothering me about HP's behaviour. When she was spotted in the park with her lawyers, she took off in her chair at lightning speed, yet the very next day (after her beer run!) when she went to the police station, she had someone wheel her as she almost assumed the embodiment of The Madonna; pose complete with a child in her arms. I never understood why she would bring her child into that situation, let alone make them wait there while she was questioned. Surely, she would find someone to babysit them, even it meant pushing her own wheelchair, if necessary, or organising with police to park in their parking area; if she was concerned about reporters after being spotted by them the day before and having them camped outside her house.

Once inside the police station, she was reported as laughing and joking with investigators. Then the drama on her way home with the wheelchair-pusher and child(!) having to run the press gauntlet again while she was chauffeured by a car full of detectives. The final smile through the window of their car was the end for me. I'm trying not to be unkind here, but considering the nature of the crimes she is allegedly on the periphery of, it all made me feel a little ill.

It also makes me wonder if she is manipulating, or egging on if you will (sorry for the pun :) ), the wheelchair-pusher and designated egg-thrower? Again, not to be unkind, but he doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed.

If I was innocently involved in a case like this I would be in constantly in shock, I think, not behaving in an almost orchestrated manner. What do you (and other WSers) think of my observations over the past few weeks and my conclusions?

Hate to be the one to say it, but in the above quote you did infer that HP's current partner was not very intelligent.
 
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