AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #5

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HF clothing company, not sure if it's the right one.

http://handfapparel.storenvy.com/


Sally Miller? Sally Mack?

http://www.bestdressedkids.com/products.php?cat=2&brand=318&from=brands

https://www.facebook.com/lly.dk/info

http://www.jdsports.co.uk/product/mckenzie-girls-sally-t-shirt-children/186344/

This is a store in California named Sally for children's wear.

http://www.bizwiki.com/kids-baby-clothing/1019872/sallys-baby-store.htm


When I searched for Haolaih, it kept showing Muslim clothing for kids, buit the name Haolaih doesn't come up.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...ilh+kids+clothing&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=cb-max


Miss X

http://www.geodruid.com/intl/fr/place/1307081-miss-x-clothing-store-parnu-eesti/description

GAF

http://m.lightinthebox.com/en/list/cute-kid-s-clothing-ff-gaf-07-02-15-07-09-15_42885

This is called The GAF and it's in New York.

http://childrens-clothing-stores.cmac.ws/the-gaf/4032/

This one is in Australia

http://www.aussieweb.com.au/business/gaf+clothing+pty+ltd/1423264/

So I hope someone would know if this is of any worth.
 
Puggle said:
The town is depressing IMO
I am now totally 100% discounting the two witnesses opinions that said the person wasn't a "local".
How would they know if the person was local or not (they admittedly) said they don't mix with the "Blow Ins".
They were born and Breed "Locals" of Wynarka .... the "Blow Ins".... started almost a decade ago.
This suitcase man has "now".... been reported as being seen by at least 12 people within the town over autumn...
'Cough" .... these "Local" ladies think they have their finger on the pulse of "Their Town" ...
Suitcase man's mistake was having the same mentality.... that he thought if he went out at 7.30 - 8.00am - there would be no one around and he could do what ever he had to do without being observed....as everyone in this town ignored each other!!
We went from the town consisting of 17 people, to the town actually having around 24 residents... to then having "locals" stating that only approximately 8 were permanent residents, the other's being the "blow Ins" - to be avoided and ignored.
Some people move to such places to be "Nobodies" to be ignored...to re-invent themselves or their histories ... truthfully I think a town such as Wynarka or any similar small town is the perfect place for anyone with secrets to set themselves up in...who's going to question your history?? ... when they aren't interested in you in the first place.
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You know, this has really been bugging me too.
What IS this town like?

Virtually wandering around it, I see just 10 houses that are inhabited.
4 of them seem to take some pride in the house and garden.

It looks dead and uncared for, yet there is a Wynarka Recreation Committee with table tennis, tennis and historical society reps, among others.
So social activities do go on there.
I guess people who live in the 30 or so outlying farms may socialise and play sports at Wynarka, but with Karoonda and all its wonderful facilities only 10 min drive away, you wonder why they'd bother.

I can't figure why there is such a lot of farm machinery stored on the vacant blocks in Wynarka either.
It's all out in the weather, so why store so much in the township? Wouldn't it make sense to keep it on your farm?
Or is it all ruined? In which case, is it junk?

I've been having a look at other towns in the area that are a similar size, such as Borrika, just the other side of Karoonda, and they show nothing like the level of neglect, or the accumulation of machinery and junk piles.

I know many have commented on the extraordinary amount of hoarded material in Wynarka, and some have sad it is normal for country towns, but I don't think this is on the scale of normal and there is really something very odd about Wynarka that you don't necessarily notice until you look carefully at comparable towns in the area.
 
 
Peake is another nearby town of a similar size and a much cheerier look.
 
I think there is nothing wrong with Wynarka with what they hoard. Engine parts are saved and likely those broken down ones are fixing the ones that are running with old parts. My family rebuild vehicles, just some of my cousins and an uncle, not me. It's normal to see vehicles standing around and it may take several years to rebuild a vehicle. I think it's better to not judge someone's housekking skills and yard maintanance skills since it's a pure violation of their privacy anyways. Google Earth should be sued for showing the personal items of anyones backyard. Someone steeling parts for scrap metal will be sneaking around now taking what they want. People make a living with just that, selling scrap metal.

Imagine showing off your nice house for Google Earth and some thief using it to search out nice houses to rob. It really isn't street smart to display other peoples things on a worldwide database. I think it's a shame. My opinion only.

If these pieces of machinery belonged to their late grandfather or father, theyu have the right to keep them.
 
Also interesting, Puggle:
"They were born and Breed "Locals" of Wynarka .... the "Blow Ins".... started almost a decade ago."

Why did blow-ins arrive a decade ago? Must have been a few very cheap properties on the market at that time. So who was selling them?
And why is the very, very cheap former post office still on the market after 5 years?
Why were the former locals leaving? Why have some locals accumulated so much junk on their properties?
Why do the few remaining locals dislike the newer arrivals?

Socially, there is something really weird going on in this community.
I am wondering if newcomers feel ostracised and bullied.
 
browneyedsusan said:
I think there is nothing wrong with Wynarka with what they hoard. Engine parts are saved and likely those broken down ones are fixing the ones that are running with old parts. My family rebuild vehicles, just some of my cousins and an uncle, not me. It's normal to see vehicles standing around and it may take several years to rebuild a vehicle. I think it's better to not judge someone's housekking skills and yard maintanance skills since it's a pure violation of their privacy anyways. Google Earth should be sued for showing the personal items of anyones backyard. Someone steeling parts for scrap metal will be sneaking around now taking what they want. People make a living with just that, selling scrap metal.

Imagine showing off your nice house for Google Earth and some thief using it to search out nice houses to rob. It really isn't street smart to display other peoples things on a worldwide database. I think it's a shame. My opinion only.

If these pieces of machinery belonged to their late grandfather or father, theyu have the right to keep them.
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It's not about housekeeping skills or rights, it is about what is normal.
This level of hoarding, on so many properties is not normal.
To judge what is normal, as I said in my post, compare Wynarka with other similar size towns in the area.
 
Anyway, the excessive hoarded rubbish is only one aspect of the social peculiarities of Wynarka.
It may have nothing at all to do with the case, but I think Puggle is spot on to say we should be doubting whether these women really would know a local from a non-local.
Especially considering they can't apparently give a useful description of the man they claim to have seen.
 
JaneSA said:
It's not about housekeeping skills or rights, it is about what is normal.
This level of hoarding, on so many properties is not normal.
To judge what is normal, as I said in my post, compare Wynarka with other similar size towns in the area.
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Do you think they are going to cooperate with you now? I doubt it when they see pictures posted of their garbage on the internet. It's mnot personall, it's an observation of the privadcies of these people. The child was found no where near these things. And the truth is obsessively neat people are cosidered dangerous out of their habits. We lived near a neat freak who was evetually arrested for killing his own paperboy. He even ssodimized his dead body. I lived in an urban big city where killings were common because of drugs and gangs. This guy had no invilvement with either and did worse crime than any of them. You can't judge a book by how photogenic it is to the world. People have lost all their street smarts. Maybe they should live in a bad neighborhood and witness the cons and thieves at every game before theuy start creating stupid things like google earth. There is no telling how many houses have been robbed, how many cars were stolen from their drivewways or how many children's toys were pictured on your porch to let the pedphiles know which house has children. I'm sure they shop for houses with swingsets in their yards. It'spure ngligence on the safety of these people.
 
ya know... some updates would be really good right about now I have heard nothing for way too long... so many of you using your special time to find out details such as pumpkin fabrics etc and tracking down labels it would be nice to maybe get an update that all that has now been identified and maybe let us know that there is some progress etc etc but with no update we are all going crazy trying to find information that they may have already had a week ago.... feeling frustrated
 
Bundy said:
It has been a long time since there were any updates on this case from SAPOL..... something I would have liked more detail on is how they came to the conclusion that the beginning of 2007 was the earliest possible death date, was it because there was something in the case that didn't exist (made/manufactured) before then. If its because of some item in the suitcase then that would mean that the packing of the case and the murder happened at (or roughly at)the same time...What is every-ones thought on this?
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Like you I'm curious how they know the murder could not be earlier than 2007, when I asked last night someone said it was because the clothes in suitcase had decomposed with wee girl.
 
kiwi50 said:
Like you I'm curious how they know the murder could not be earlier than 2007, when I asked last night someone said it was because the clothes in suitcase had decomposed with wee girl.
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Yes, the way I read that police statement, there was at least one item (of clothing?) that wasn't manufactured till 2007 that had decomposition on it sufficient that they felt it dated to the death. Quite possibly what she was wearing or wrapped in, I would guess.
 
JaneSA said:
Also interesting, Puggle:
"They were born and Breed "Locals" of Wynarka .... the "Blow Ins".... started almost a decade ago."

Why did blow-ins arrive a decade ago? Must have been a few very cheap properties on the market at that time. So who was selling them?
And why is the very, very cheap former post office still on the market after 5 years?
Why were the former locals leaving? Why have some locals accumulated so much junk on their properties?
Why do the few remaining locals dislike the newer arrivals?

Socially, there is something really weird going on in this community.
I am wondering if newcomers feel ostracised and bullied.
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I'm only guessing here, wondering if the 'blow-ins' are what we locally call 'ferals'. 'Ferals' live on the dole, look for cheap properties to rent, more interested in being in an area classified as 'remote' by Centrelink (remote being no easy access to public transport, therefore difficult to get a job if you have to rely on public transport, cannot drive). Where I am anyway the few ferals around are not interested in being part of the community, and local residents are wary of them, worried about crime/drugs. So in this scenario it's more the locals being worried about the newcomers posing a danger. Any newcomers who come in, who are working, sending their kids to the local school, who want to be part of the community, and are basically law abiding, are welcome. Even if they don't want to mix with the local commmunity but are not seen as say, running a meth lab, then it's not a problem. We have plenty of people who work, keep to themselves, or to a small circle of local friends, but are not considered 'ferals'.

So it could be the 'blow-ins' are their version of 'ferals'. Or it might be a really unwelcoming place lol. Some places are. Just guessing here. Also the properties coming up for sale could represent a change in agriculture, not enough work to go around, or simply the passing of an older generation and the younger members of the family going to the city or bigger centres to find work. Sad though it is, we're seeing a few of the older members of our community either passing on or moving to nursing homes all around the same time, and their houses up for sale all at once. If you didn't know the circumstances you might think there had been a bit of an exodus, or something strange was happening. Just my thoughts.
 
debirlfan said:
Yes, the way I read that police statement, there was at least one item (of clothing?) that wasn't manufactured till 2007 that had decomposition on it sufficient that they felt it dated to the death. Quite possibly what she was wearing or wrapped in, I would guess.
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That was my understanding too.
 
browneyedsusan said:
Google Earth should be sued for showing the personal items of anyones backyard. Someone steeling parts for scrap metal will be sneaking around now taking what they want. People make a living with just that, selling scrap metal.

Imagine showing off your nice house for Google Earth and some thief using it to search out nice houses to rob. It really isn't street smart to display other peoples things on a worldwide database. I think it's a shame. My opinion only.

If these pieces of machinery belonged to their late grandfather or father, theyu have the right to keep them.
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I kind of agree with you here. I used to use nearmap for work, and this gave you a much clearer, more detailed and more recent view of anywhere from up there. from as early as 3 months prior, and maps are constantly updated. It's an awesome bit of kit.

I could make out the writing on a box in a backyard quite clearly using that. But it is now a paid only service, which it should be.

The thing with google earth is it is not that current. Every time I have looked at my house/s with it, it has been anything from 6mths to 2 yrs out of date.

re the state of the town. I have seen similar, plenty of places up the coast past Port Wakefield that are very similar. It's the country, you don't throw anything away, it may come in handy.
 
debirlfan said:
Yes, the way I read that police statement, there was at least one item (of clothing?) that wasn't manufactured till 2007 that had decomposition on it sufficient that they felt it dated to the death. Quite possibly what she was wearing or wrapped in, I would guess.
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I remember reading that Cotton On Kids wasn't established until 2007, I'll try and find the link.

Edited to add: Ok, found it, it was established in 2006 going from this:
"The company was established by Nigel Austin in Geelong, Australia, at the time it only sold women's clothing. Since January 2006, it had expanded with Cotton On Body and Cotton On Kids, in December 2007 it expanded to Typo (stationery and gifts), and also Rubi Shoes in February 2008."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_On

bbm
 
And that particular black tutu dress was probably only available from 2007 onwards? Some of the other items shown were definitely available earlier.
 
The overall state of the town, while unusually decrepit by the standard of small towns in the Mallee region, may be completely irrelevant to this case.
However, it's what that says about the social scene that interests me and, by extension, what can be inferred regarding the witness statements.
It makes me wonder how seriously they can be taken, despite the police saying they seem credible.

But isn't that in itself odd, now I come to think about it?
I recall the police stating that they thought the witness statements were credible. Is that odd?
Does that mean that initially they didn't think they were?
Is this a statement the police usually make? To say they believe them to be credible?

I mean, don't they usually just say that a witness saw whatever?
Strikes me as peculiar, anyway.
 
I suppose that the reason there have been no SAPOL updates is because they have nothing new they want the public to consider.
It's frustrating that we don't feel updated on the details of the investigation, but Australian police don't tend to do that anyway, except when they need to appeal for public help - as is the case with the quilt.
 
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