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Inquest told Gareth Train's email threats left out of briefing to Queensland police before Wieambilla shootings
NSW Police were aware of Gareth Train's email threats that police would be "dealt with" if they went to his property but didn't inform Queensland officers before they attended the Wieambilla property in 2022, an inquest has heard.www.abc.net.au
Gareth Train's threatening emails not included in briefing to Queensland police the day of Wieambilla shootings, inquest hears
The court has previously been told that in the police system a summary of an investigation is known as a 'narrative'.
The narrative relating to Nathaniel Train included reports that Gareth Train was "paranoid" and had a "dislike for police".
Queensland police were made aware of these reports, and the fact that Nathaniel Train was a licensed firearm holder.
However, when passing on information about the Trains, Detective Senior Constable Montgomery attached the first narrative in the system, which was created 11 days earlier, but not the most recent 'narrative' that had been submitted at around 10.30am on the morning of the shooting.
This narrative included reports about Gareth Train's emails.
Probably impossible the way things are divided up by state here, but you’d think a federal missing persons register (along with the national firearms register) wouldn’t be the worst thing.So the police in charge of activating the welfare check knew from the extant "narrative" that
- Train was paranoid
- Train disliked / hated police
- Train(s) were armed
But not yet that
- Gareth Train had recently made direct criminal threats concerning what he might do to police who came onto his property
Armed with that first section of analysis but without knowing about the recent direct threats, the decision was made to send 4 junior officers.
I'm guessing that a "narrative" system update that prioritizes and redflags critical info so it's seen first and not simply in the order in which it appeared is required.
Terrible situation, made still more shocking somehow by the chronology of this inquest, IMO.
So a NSW police officer performed CPR on Nathaniel Train when he had an heart attack at school, and saved his life, and then Nathaniel turned and was complicit in killing a police officer in the siege on his brother’s property over a year later.
Sgt Thorpe was the officer who performed CPR on Nathaniel when he had his cardiac arrest at the school on Aug 10th 2021 ( some , may say too well IMO) His wife also worked with Nathaniel.
Lots more in article
I personally think some of this testimony from the woman close to Nathaniel is a bit questionable…. All of my own comments and wonderings are italicised here.
“The woman said Nathaniel had tried to convince her to come to Queensland, and when she pleaded with him to return to New South Wales where he lived, he told her, "he was in the place God told him he had to be".
I cannot imagine he asked her to come to QLD.
“Communication cut off months earlier.”
“The court heard the woman cut off communication from Nathaniel in May 2022…” if she broke up with him or cut off comms, why did she go on to make a missing persons report in December? You’re either communicating or you’re not. If you’re done with someone, why not just leave them alone?
“…and dropped off some of his belongings to the Wieambilla property, but did not enter and did not see any of the Trains.”
Why didn’t she enter the property? Was she concerned about her safety?
You go all the way up to Tara to drop off your ex’s belongings and you don’t bother like even opening the gate or making sure the items make their way into the house safely?
She said she was constantly concerned about Nathaniel's welfare and mental health, but her concerns escalated when his brother, Gareth, forwarded a message from Nathaniel, which stated he was "well and going out bush camping for a few months".
If she was so concerned about his wellbeing and mental health, why did she go no contact from May 2022 and then break into his email account and start forwarding some of the emails to police? I wonder if she was a bit of a Nancy Drew type and wanted to know what he was up to due to curiosity and a sense that she was entitled to know about his mysterious new life?
Wieambilla inquest hears haunting final message to woman who reported Nathaniel Train missing
The next morning, she learned all three Trains were dead and heard news reports of what unfolded on the property. The inquest continues.
I wonder if it’s truly accurate that this woman learned about their deaths the next morning. I’m quite sure that unfolding and breaking news related to the siege was broadcast 24/7.
Surely she knew that was their property on the news the evening before? I mean, she had been there to drop off Nathaniel’s items. She knew what the property looked like….
Thanks for your feedback. I think Nathaniel’s ex partner’s behaviour was a bit odd, in retrospect.What an incredibly bizarre interpretation of events. Sounds strangely familiar.
Thanks for your feedback. I think Nathaniel’s ex partner’s behaviour was a bit odd, in retrospect.
Well first of all: It’s not a crime to go missing. So, Nathaniel had left his partner. This happens all of the time. People leave their wives and their husbands, partners, girlfriends and boyfriends. Sometimes they leave them for other partners. In this case, from what I’ve read and listened to on Podcasts, he left to go camping.
I am not excusing any of the things that the Trains did. There’s no justification for any of their actions. I just don’t know why she’s raised a missing persons report in the first place. It doesn’t make sense to me. Nathaniel’s own children did not lodge missing persons reports for their own biological father.
He had walked out in his partner. As far as I can see, they weren’t in a relationship at the time that she lodged the missing persons report, and she actually chose to go “non contact” from May of that year. That was her choice.
Her explanations don’t really add up. So what if Nathaniel wanted to live an itinerant life and go camping? Clearly he was relatively skilled at living that way.
There’s one other thing that nags at me: Nathaniel Train was indigenous and identified as indigenous. His children do also. And culturally, going “walkabout” is all about a spiritual journey, finding oneself out bush and connecting with Country and culture. There’s really nothing wrong with that.
And yes, he had a heart condition, but if he chose to not take his medication, that was his choice. He was an adult and had capacity to make his own medical decisions.
Her story just doesn’t add up to me. And that’s fine. It doesn’t have to add up.
This episode of the Ultimate Sacrifice podcast was quite informative:
“The Missing Persons Report.”
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Episode 13: The Missing Persons Report
Ominous final emails sent by Gareth Train never made it into the hands of Queensland police. Why were those four young constables sent to that property, intopodcasts.apple.com
I don’t find any of this odd.Thanks for your feedback. I think Nathaniel’s ex partner’s behaviour was a bit odd, in retrospect.
Well first of all: It’s not a crime to go missing. So, Nathaniel had left his partner. This happens all of the time. People leave their wives and their husbands, partners, girlfriends and boyfriends. Sometimes they leave them for other partners. In this case, from what I’ve read and listened to on Podcasts, he left to go camping.
I am not excusing any of the things that the Trains did. There’s no justification for any of their actions. I just don’t know why she’s raised a missing persons report in the first place. It doesn’t make sense to me. Nathaniel’s own children did not lodge missing persons reports for their own biological father.
He had walked out in his partner. As far as I can see, they weren’t in a relationship at the time that she lodged the missing persons report, and she actually chose to go “non contact” from May of that year. That was her choice.
Her explanations don’t really add up. So what if Nathaniel wanted to live an itinerant life and go camping? Clearly he was relatively skilled at living that way.
There’s one other thing that nags at me: Nathaniel Train was indigenous and identified as indigenous. His children do also. And culturally, going “walkabout” is all about a spiritual journey, finding oneself out bush and connecting with Country and culture. There’s really nothing wrong with that.
And yes, he had a heart condition, but if he chose to not take his medication, that was his choice. He was an adult and had capacity to make his own medical decisions.
Her story just doesn’t add up to me. And that’s fine. It doesn’t have to add up.
This episode of the Ultimate Sacrifice podcast was quite informative:
“The Missing Persons Report.”
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Episode 13: The Missing Persons Report
Ominous final emails sent by Gareth Train never made it into the hands of Queensland police. Why were those four young constables sent to that property, intopodcasts.apple.com
It’s my understanding that she had beenI don’t find any of this odd.
When you grow up in an environment with someone prone to delusional thinking or behaving erratically or reclusively or violently, it’s pretty reasonable that Stacey and Nathaniel’s children* somewhat accepted that if their Dad had left** his partner and bought into their uncle-step-dad’s DIY religion/sov cit/conspiracy nut value system, that he was essentially a lost cause and expected the three would just do their own weirdo thing by themselves out on their own weirdo block and they’d probably just continue to exist in a sporadic/low contact semi estrangement with him like they did with uncle Gar and Mum. (IMO of course, from my own experience growing up with a somewhat unhinged parent who has dipped in and out of their own weirdo phases).
If this kind of thing wasn’t familiar to the acquaintance of many years, she would have naturally been desperately concerned, hoping maybe that he’d see through Gareth’s efforts to demonise her because of her attempts to keep supporting him and that he’d snap out of it and come home.
The kids were probably used to Gareth alienating family members but she can’t be blamed for having more hope that he’d at least see his children (who she seemed on reasonable terms with) so she knew he was alright or could get a sense of he was at least physically healthy or not.
It was coming up Christmas, she had concerns for his health, deep down maybe she was worried that Gareth had done something to harm him, or was stopping him from leaving. Lodging a missing persons report is a pretty reasonable point to get to and she’d clearly tried many other avenues.
Especially their innocent (adult) kids, who now have to grow up without all of their three parents - and knowing all of the harm those deceased parents had done to so many lives and families. I can’t even imagine.The Trains don’t deserve any defending but the poor people in their lives who have been affected by their bull**** despite doing nothing wrong deserve plenty.
Ghosting is a good word for it.*who it appears were largely raised by uncle Gareth and mum Stacey (after he acted totally normal and not unhinged when he took up with his sister in law and shoved his brother out of his own marriage of course, same goes for her)
**without actually ending the relationship, just ghosting essentially
Thanks for the reply by the way, I must admit I was a bit hostile in my own response - feeling a bit defensive of the people left dealing with the fallout of this horror story evidently - so I appreciate you considering my thoughts on the situation.It’s my understanding that she had been
in Nathaniel’s life for 16 years.
I agree she may have been hoping he would come home.
His children didn’t seem as concerned as she did. But as you said, they were probably more used to the weirdness.
Also, A Train seemed to think the missing person’s report wouldn’t yield good results, which was accurate.
Yes, that is a good point.
Especially their innocent (adult) kids, who now have to grow up without all of their three parents - and knowing all of the harm those deceased parents had done to so many lives and families. I can’t even imagine.
Ghosting is a good word for it.
No problem, I am pretty open minded and happy to view events through a myriad of different lenses. I appreciate reading your perspective.Thanks for the reply by the way, I must admit I was a bit hostile in my own response - feeling a bit defensive of the people left dealing with the fallout of this horror story evidently - so I appreciate you considering my thoughts on the situation.