Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

[Hbayne]

Police seized a mattress and a computer among other items in the search of Mr Spedding's home, pawnbroker business and unit in the nearby town of Laurieton this week.

The items will go through forensic examination.

Police tape was removed from Mr Spedding's home on Thursday.

Mr Spedding has been staying in Port Macquarie, even though police have cleared the way for him and his family to return to their property.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html


I won't post the links to the spiderman figure in his van, the sighting of his van among police vehicles on Benaroon Drive, him driving past the police forest search, his cleared call log, her grandchildren being removed from his home, the search warrants that were obviously granted due to there being good cause to search his home/office/vehicles, etc etc .... but the links are still all out there. I have just viewed them.

We might be better to pay heed to who exactly is a named (uncleared, up on other pedo charges) suspect in this crime, instead of trying to point fingers at a kind, lovely family that took William and his sister in, gave them love, security, happiness ... when times with their birth parents proved to be too terrible for them to remain there.

IMO JMO MOO

Not to mention his charming former BIL

 

[sleepinoz]

Over 11 thousand people seem to feel there is a reason to push for a Coronial Inquest in this case. Who am I to argue? Perhaps these people wanted it sooner, rather than later. The more time that goes on, the less chance of recovering perhaps crucial evidence.

11,000 out of 24 million ? Australians.

IMO that is a problem with petitions, you can't sign against them.

I think the Coroner and Investigators would have a much better idea of when an Inquest should be held, considering they are the one's with ALL the relevant information from the investigation.

 

[SouthAussie]

11,000 out of 24 million ? Australians.

IMO that is a problem with petitions, you can't sign against them.

I think the Coroner and Investigators would have a much better idea of when an Inquest should be held, considering they are the one's with ALL the relevant information from the investigation.

And as we know from ths week's 60 Minutes episode about Matthew Leveson, Gary Jubelin is very in favour of Coronial Inquests - when the time is right and all leads have been exhausted, so that the Coroner has all the evidence and facts that have been unearthed and are available, and can question the witnesses very thoroughly.

Until then, the Coroner will follow this case closely and privately.

 

[SouthAussie]

(Gary Jubelin) told the (Coronial) court that having supervised the investigation into Mr Leveson's death since February 2014, he had thought the investigation "had been taken as far as it could be taken".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-23/michael-atkins-told-police-matthew-leveson-died-in-bed/8834754


And that is when a Coronial inquest happens, when the investigation has been taken as far as it can be taken.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Great post, SA.

Police seized a mattress and a computer among other items in the search of Mr Spedding's home, pawnbroker business and unit in the nearby town of Laurieton this week.

The items will go through forensic examination.

Police tape was removed from Mr Spedding's home on Thursday.

Mr Spedding has been staying in Port Macquarie, even though police have cleared the way for him and his family to return to their property.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html


I won't post the links to the spiderman figure in his van, the sighting of his van among police vehicles on Benaroon Drive, him driving past the police forest search, his cleared call log, her grandchildren being removed from his home, the search warrants that were obviously granted due to there being good cause to search his home/office/vehicles, etc etc .... but the links are still all out there. I have just viewed them.

We might be better to pay heed to who exactly is a named (uncleared, up on other pedo charges) suspect in this crime, instead of trying to point fingers at a kind, lovely family that took William and his sister in, gave them love, security, happiness ... when times with their birth parents proved to be too terrible for them to remain there.

IMO JMO MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

i just want to mention, too, that in the 60 Minutes episode this week (about Matthew Leveson's case), Gary Jubelin was described as being from the Cold Case Unit.

A unit that specialises in digging deep, reviewing all previously provided information, unearthing missed clues/missed evidence, and setting up 'stings' in order to catch the suspected perpetrator(s).

This excerpt is from another case, but also puts Jubelin in the Cold Case Unit. He is now described as a senior homicide detective, but his work within both of these units has given him a wealth of different and unusual tactics to try to bring a perpetrator to justice. Unfortunately, it does not bode well for the fate of little William though.


Cold case detective believes he's hunting a serial killer... as original suspect insists he's innocent

But now senior NSW homicide detective Gary Jubelin believes he has fresh evidence which points to the fact that there was a lone killer, a serial sexual predator responsible for the disappearance of all three children.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ller-original-suspect-insists-s-innocent.html

 

[Wexford]

Police seized a mattress and a computer among other items in the search of Mr Spedding's home, pawnbroker business and unit in the nearby town of Laurieton this week.

The items will go through forensic examination.

Police tape was removed from Mr Spedding's home on Thursday.

Mr Spedding has been staying in Port Macquarie, even though police have cleared the way for him and his family to return to their property.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html


I won't post the links to the spiderman figure in his van, the sighting of his van among police vehicles on Benaroon Drive, him driving past the police forest search, his cleared call log, her grandchildren being removed from his home, the search warrants that were obviously granted due to there being good cause to search his home/office/vehicles, etc etc .... but the links are still all out there. I have just viewed them.

We might be better to pay heed to who exactly is a named (uncleared, up on other pedo charges) suspect in this crime, instead of trying to point fingers at a kind, lovely family that took William and his sister in, gave them love, security, happiness ... when times with their birth parents proved to be too terrible for them to remain there.

IMO JMO MOO

Such a long list...could you be any more unlucky??
Where is William?

 

[Bohemian]

'The woman who took on the NSW Department of Family and Community Services to allow the revelation missing boy William Tyrrell was in foster care to be reported, has spoken out about her struggle.

A Current Affair revealed last Thursday that William, then three, was in foster case when he vanished outside a Kendall home in September 2014.

Allanna Smith never met little William, but her extraordinary efforts in the court system finally allowed that fact to be reported.

"I wanted to promote a coronial inquest into the disappearance of William, especially the handling of William's case," she told A Current Affair.

After some contact with William['s] biological family, Ms Smith posted Facebook comments alluding to the fact that William was a child in foster care.'​

BBM. I wonder if it was William's maternal or paternal biological family that Ms Smith had 'some contact' with. Any guesses?

Read more:

'I would just hug him’: Woman’s court battle that allowed explosive William Tyrrell foster revelation
By A Current Affair
6:55pm Aug 29, 2017
http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...d-explosive-william-tyrrell-foster-revelation

 

[Deleted member 102539]

William Tyrrell was always intended to stay in foster care for the rest of his childhood, away from his 'career criminal' father.
The young missing boy's mother - revealed this week as Karlie Tyrrell - was also believed to have known of the intention for the arrangement.
She had 'infrequent' visits with her son, but the toddler considered his foster family his parents, according to the Daily Telegraph.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...foster-placement-permanent.html#ixzz4r8Z3Wlp5
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Heartbroken Natalie Collins, 57, yesterday revealed her son Brendan Collins’ criminal past, drinking problems and rows with William’s mother Karlie Tyrrell. However, she said their behaviour was not enough to put the little boy who was “adored” by his family into care.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/b660b01eaac5d1b98dc2d77a168bcca4

 

[sleepinoz]

'The woman who took on the NSW Department of Family and Community Services to allow the revelation missing boy William Tyrrell was in foster care to be reported, has spoken out about her struggle.

A Current Affair revealed last Thursday that William, then three, was in foster case when he vanished outside a Kendall home in September 2014.

Allanna Smith never met little William, but her extraordinary efforts in the court system finally allowed that fact to be reported.

"I wanted to promote a coronial inquest into the disappearance of William, especially the handling of William's case," she told A Current Affair.

After some contact with William['s] biological family, Ms Smith posted Facebook comments alluding to the fact that William was a child in foster care.'​

BBM. I wonder if it was William's maternal or paternal biological family that Ms Smith had 'some contact' with. Any guesses?

Read more:

'I would just hug him’: Woman’s court battle that allowed explosive William Tyrrell foster revelation
By A Current Affair
6:55pm Aug 29, 2017
http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...d-explosive-william-tyrrell-foster-revelation

The one and only Ms Collins, who doesn't speak to Karlie.

 

[Bohemian]

'The woman who took on the NSW Department of Family and Community Services to allow the revelation missing boy William Tyrrell was in foster care to be reported, has spoken out about her struggle.

A Current Affair revealed last Thursday that William, then three, was in foster case when he vanished outside a Kendall home in September 2014.

Allanna Smith never met little William, but her extraordinary efforts in the court system finally allowed that fact to be reported.

"I wanted to promote a coronial inquest into the disappearance of William, especially the handling of William's case," she told A Current Affair.

After some contact with William['s] biological family, Ms Smith posted Facebook comments alluding to the fact that William was a child in foster care.'​

BBM. I wonder if it was William's maternal or paternal biological family that Ms Smith had 'some contact' with. Any guesses?

Read more:

'I would just hug him’: Woman’s court battle that allowed explosive William Tyrrell foster revelation
By A Current Affair
6:55pm Aug 29, 2017
http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...d-explosive-william-tyrrell-foster-revelation

I don't know if the following MSM article has been posted already. If so my apologies but it is still interesting to contrast and compare this with the article published today (see above).

'EXCLUSIVE: 'I felt her loss': Child protection activist who lifted veil of secrecy over missing boy William Tyrrell did it all for his mother - even though she has NEVER met her'
By Daniel Piotrowski for Daily Mail Australia
01:51 +10:00 26 Aug 2017, updated 11:18 +10:00 26 Aug 2017
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-leader-reveals-William-Tyrrell-mission.html

'The woman who lifted the veil of secrecy over missing boy William Tyrrell has revealed she never met the toddler or his family - but had a 'primal' urge to help his mother.

Allanna Pearl Smith, a child protection activist from the NSW south coast, has won a stunning victory against the Department of Family and Community Services.

Nearly three years after the little Spiderman vanished, a court ruled it was public interest to reveal Tyrrell was in out-of-home foster care at the time he vanished.

And speaking to Daily Mail Australia on Friday, Ms Smith said she did it all for the boy's biological mother, Karlie, whose identity was revealed this week.

'I have a primal connection with a woman I have never mer... and I feel her loss, that primal loss, through no fault of her own,' Ms Smith said.

'The only thing she did wrong was being young, with no support of her own… I feel for that young woman and I have never even met her.''​

 

[Bohemian]

The one and only Ms Collins, who doesn't speak to Karlie.

So I presume the biological family that Ms Smith had 'some contact with' would also be in favour of the petition for a Coroner's inquest? Hmm . . . that throws the cat among the pigeons somewhat, if that biological family member is in fact Ms Collins — especially in view of her degrees of separation from Mr Spedding et al. What do you make of that scenario, sleep?

 

[1968]

Re removal of William from KT.
I keep thinking there must have been more, surely, than a father in and out of jail. My kids have attended school with a boy who was taken from his mother, eventually, but after a long series of events and bad choices.




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[sosocurious]

So I presume the biological family that Ms Smith had 'some contact with' would also be in favour of the petition for a Coroner's inquest? Hmm . . . that throws the cat among the pigeons somewhat, if that biological family member is in fact Ms Collins — especially in view of her degrees of separation from Mr Spedding et al. What do you make of that scenario, sleep?

Coroner’s pledge on William Tyrrell
January 16, 2017
Dan Box

“In general terms, the coroner does have jurisdiction over William’s disappearance, has police investigating this, and will conduct an inquest once their investigation is complete,” said the correspondence seen by The Australian.
“I can indicate that an inquest will proceed in William’s case as the role of a coroner is to establish five factors … who died, where they died, when they died and the manner and cause of their death.
“In William’s case it has not even been established if he is in fact deceased, so manner and cause are still outstanding factors.
“Therefore this means that an inquest into his disappearance and suspected death must be held.”..............

A small number of those persons of interest identified by police have been named in media reports in recent years, though each has denied any connection to the case.

These include alleged and convicted sex offenders, some of whom have links to each other.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/33ee25ca733a981ec54c7a091d1a7cb2

 

[SouthAussie]

Coroner’s pledge on William Tyrrell
January 16, 2017
Dan Box

“In general terms, the coroner does have jurisdiction over William’s disappearance, has police investigating this, and will conduct an inquest once their investigation is complete,” said the correspondence seen by The Australian.
“I can indicate that an inquest will proceed in William’s case as the role of a coroner is to establish five factors … who died, where they died, when they died and the manner and cause of their death.
“In William’s case it has not even been established if he is in fact deceased, so manner and cause are still outstanding factors.
“Therefore this means that an inquest into his disappearance and suspected death must be held.”..............

A small number of those persons of interest identified by police have been named in media reports in recent years, though each has denied any connection to the case.

These include alleged and convicted sex offenders, some of whom have links to each other.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/33ee25ca733a981ec54c7a091d1a7cb2

Your post got me thinking about inquests into missing persons. So I took a look at some of the NSW coronial findings. Of the 3 missing persons inquests that I looked at, two had simple determinations that read like this ...

I find on the balance of probabilities that Alan Ly, a missing person the subject of this inquest, is dead. He died on or about 22 September 2015 but I am unable to determine the place of his death or the manner and cause of his death.
http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/Alan Ly.pdf

I find that Benjamin Stephens is now deceased. Mr Stephens died sometime after 18 March 2004 in the Blaxlands Creek area south of Coutts Crossing NSW. However, the available evidence does not allow for any finding to be made as to the cause and manner of Mr Stephens’ death.
http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/STEPHENS Benjamin - Findings.pdf

The 3rd case I looked at was far more complex and had a much longer write-up, as I imagine any inquest into William's disappearance would be, but the findings were still quite simple ...

The evidence does not permit me to determine the manner of Mr Sithamparapillai’s death or its cause. I am satisfied, however, that he died in or near the water at or near Coogee.
http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/Thangarahah Sithamparapillai finding.pdf

I guess, all in all, this leads me to think that finding William and having substantial, concrete evidence would be of a high priority, if any decent determination were to be found by a Coroners Court.

 

[sosocurious]

There is more, but without a link it can't be told. [emoji848]

Darn sleep...no link.

I was just having a look at the flow charts, to help me understand.

Responding to a child wellbeing concern or child protection report flowchart.
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/336294/responding_flowchart.pdf

Children’s Court Proceedings Flowchart
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/__d.../336535/child_court_proceedings_flowchart.pdf

 

[Bohemian]

Coroner’s pledge on William Tyrrell
January 16, 2017
Dan Box

“In general terms, the coroner does have jurisdiction over William’s disappearance, has police investigating this, and will conduct an inquest once their investigation is complete,” said the correspondence seen by The Australian.
“I can indicate that an inquest will proceed in William’s case as the role of a coroner is to establish five factors … who died, where they died, when they died and the manner and cause of their death.
“In William’s case it has not even been established if he is in fact deceased, so manner and cause are still outstanding factors.
“Therefore this means that an inquest into his disappearance and suspected death must be held.”..............

A small number of those persons of interest identified by police have been named in media reports in recent years, though each has denied any connection to the case.

These include alleged and convicted sex offenders, some of whom have links to each other.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/33ee25ca733a981ec54c7a091d1a7cb2

Thanks for the refresher, soso. I know that that an Coroner's inquiry/inquest into William's disappearance is conditional upon the progress of a police investigation in conjunction with any decision made by the Coroner to hear it.

i don't think any petition is going to sway the timing of either DCI Jubelin or Mr Barnes into holding a premature inquiry/inquest.

As for the other — just thinking out loud about the possible biological family member W4W has been in contact with and their reaction to the petition for an inquiry/inquest and how that fits in with what we know.

 

[SouthAussie]

Coroner’s pledge on William Tyrrell
January 16, 2017
Dan Box

“In William’s case it has not even been established if he is in fact deceased, so manner and cause are still outstanding factors.
“Therefore this means that an inquest into his disappearance and suspected death must be held.”..............

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/33ee25ca733a981ec54c7a091d1a7cb2

RSBM
BBM

It must be very difficult when the victim/missing person is a child. At least with an adult, if they have not used their phone/bank accounts/social media, not contacted anyone, in a reasonable period of time, a presumption can be made that perhaps they have passed on and an inquest may be held more promptly.

 

[sosocurious]

Ms Smith worked with a barrister in the landmark case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ls-William-Tyrrell-mission.html#ixzz4r9M5xpqF

3:00 video
Taylor A - What sort of legal representation did you have?
Alanna S - I had absolutely nothing ...just me.

TA - Can I let you in on a little secret? When I told my colleagues about this case, because we had been in contact for months and months and months.
TA - They thought that A) You were nuts. But I had gone tropo.
AS - Thank you so, so, so very, very much for believing in me.

:thinking:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...d-explosive-william-tyrrell-foster-revelation

Representation:
Counsel:
MW Anderson (Applicant)
S Christie (First Respondent) ......................???

Secretary, Department of Family and Community Services (Applicant)
Allanna Smith (First Respondent)

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/5996755ce4b074a7c6e17e4c

 

[Angeline]

I saw the woman (Alanna) on ACA this evening. She said it all started when she made a petition. The text in her petition mentioned that William was a foster child. She said FACS called her and asked her to remove that information or she would be taken to court.

FACS actually appealed the ruling but the judge knocked it back.