Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

[JLZ]

If I never heard his name again I would ecstatic (unless, of course, he is charged in relation to William's disappearance.)

Having come this far, I'd like to know the outcome of the other two trials.

 

[Jennifer17]

The incident I am speaking of happened in Victoria. I don't believe they have cricketers in the US? This girl wasn't dragged anywhere, assaulted in full view ... poor little girl.

Tried to find a link for you, but I know I heard it on our TV news. Opportunistic pedos all over the world .....

Urban myth.

 

[Bohemian]

Having come this far, I'd like to know the outcome of the other two trials.

I can understand your interest and, in many respects, I share it. My aversion to BS' name and/or image is purely visceral. As it is for AJ, PB and 'whatever his first initial is' N and their ilk, for obvious reasons.

 

[SouthAussie]

Having come this far, I'd like to know the outcome of the other two trials.

Agree. I think the outcome of the two trials may be important to Jubelin's plans and intentions, also.

 

[Bohemian]

I think we are all waiting to see what the result of BS's trial will be, if he will be convicted or not of the historical allegations against him. If LE had any evidence he was involved in WT's case would LE wait until after the Trial to charge him with that or would they do it before the Trial is finished?

Having come this far, I'd like to know the outcome of the other two trials.

I can understand your interest and, in many respects, I share it. My aversion to BS' name and/or image is purely visceral. As it is for AJ, PB and 'whatever his first initial is' N and their ilk, for obvious reasons.

Agree. I think the outcome of the two trials may be important to Jubelin's plans and intentions, also.

BBM.

Which brings us to Karinna's post (top). I find discussions of legal/judicial processes interesting.

Do either of you have any ideas about this possible sequence of events?

 

[butterstick]

Can someone explain why Spedding's unrelated case is delayed until Feb next year?

Is it a state jurisdiction issue?

My understanding is that case relates to young girls.

If there were overlaps discovered with the WT case after raiding and forensically searching his house, car and business then maybe police would be angling to squeeze extra details out of him through the unrelated case.

But if there was really any basis for that, after all those months of raids and searches and interviews, it's very, very odd we don't have anything more than slow dithering court proceedings.

 

[Karinna]

Having come this far, I'd like to know the outcome of the other two trials.

Yes it would be interesting to know but i don't think the issue is resolved yet in court?

 

[Karinna]

BBM.

Which brings us to Karinna's post (top). I find discussions of legal/judicial processes interesting.

Do either of you have any ideas about this possible sequence of events?

Yeah i don't know how the judicial process works in that regard in Australia? I would think if any charges will be forthcoming in WT's case because they are separate issues we will probably just have to wait and see. If there is no evidence that BS had anything to do with William's disappearance i don't think he will be charged unless they can build a circumstantial case if they suspect he had anything to do with this case. But i think circumstantial cases are much harder to prove in court.

 

[JLZ]

Yeah i don't know how the judicial process works in that regard in Australia? I would think if any charges will be forthcoming in WT's case because they are separate issues we will probably just have to wait and see. If there is no evidence that BS had anything to do with William's disappearance i don't think he will be charged unless they can build a circumstantial case if they suspect he had anything to do with this case. But i think circumstantial cases are much harder to prove in court.

Even a circumstantial case requires evidence, and a lot of it.

 

[Bohemian]

Can someone explain why Spedding's unrelated case is delayed until Feb next year?

Is it a state jurisdiction issue?

My understanding is that case relates to young girls.

If there were overlaps discovered with the WT case after raiding and forensically searching his house, car and business then maybe police would be angling to squeeze extra details out of him through the unrelated case.

But if there was really any basis for that, after all those months of raids and searches and interviews, it's very, very odd we don't have anything more than slow dithering court proceedings.

Which one is delayed until February 2018? The one in NSW or the one in VIC?

 

[Karinna]

Even a circumstantial case requires evidence, and a lot of it.

Yes it does, and we don't know exactly what LE have or haven't got in that regard yet, because as far as i know it's still an ongoing investigation? But i guess time will tell.

 

[sosocurious]

An alleged paedophile may not front a Ballarat court on historic child sex abuse charges until 2018...................

His Sydney barrister told the court Spedding was on bail in New South Wales awaiting trial.

She said there were pre-trial issues and it was not expected to start until February 12, 2018.

"It's appropriate this matter follows the conclusion of the matter in New South Wales," the barrister said.

Spedding's NSW bail includes reporting and residency conditions which will need to be varied for him to attend Ballarat, the court was told.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-spedding-could-avoid-court-for-rest-of-year/

NSW it seems.

 

[Bohemian]

An alleged paedophile may not front a Ballarat court on historic child sex abuse charges until 2018...................

His Sydney barrister told the court Spedding was on bail in New South Wales awaiting trial.

She said there were pre-trial issues and it was not expected to start until February 12, 2018.

"It's appropriate this matter follows the conclusion of the matter in New South Wales," the barrister said.

Spedding's NSW bail includes reporting and residency conditions which will need to be varied for him to attend Ballarat, the court was told.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-spedding-could-avoid-court-for-rest-of-year/

NSW it seems.

Thanks soso. That seems to answer a few questions. NSW trial, verdict (and sentencing, if necessary) first then VIC proceedings. Not to mention the courts of appeal if he is found guilty, etc? It seems this could be a very lengthy process.

(I wonder if our old friend DCI Jubelin was hoping BS would be held on remand until the conclusion of both cases. The saying, 'A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.' comes to mind for some reason.)

 

[frogwell]

I think we are all waiting to see what the result of BS's trial will be, if he will be convicted or not of the historical allegations against him. If LE had any evidence he was involved in WT's case would LE wait until after the Trial to charge him with that or would they do it before the Trial is finished?

I think they'd charge him straight away, and put him in prison without bail. Remember, TJ was awaiting sentencing for a crime against a child and free when WT went missing. Police aren't going to let that happen again.

 

[SouthAussie]

Unfortunately, bail is very hard to avoid these days. The court just puts bail conditions on a person, and expects them to comply. Some articles I have read say that this is due to the high cost of holding prisoners, the length of time they may have to wait for their trial, and how they are 'needed' to prepare their defence.

Even murderers and persons charged with other horrific crimes frequently get bail.


In NSW:
- Simon Gittany got bail (charged with murder after tossing his partner from a 15th floor balcony)
- Man Monis got bail (charged with 40 sexual assaults and accessory to murder) and went right on to commit the Sydney seige
- Rodney Lawrence got bail (charged with cold-case murder) despite 30 years of evading authorities and culpability
- William Stafford got bail (had an apprehended violence order against him, then went on to commit murder)

.... there are plenty more, but you get my gist.

Gittany: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r/news-story/50a218926199fea1771b305080fe65f7
Monis: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-si...-and-accessory-to-murder-20141215-127u1e.html
Lawrence: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cold-case-murder-accused-rodney-lawrence-granted-bail-20170420-gvonfx.html
Stafford: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...p/news-story/e9fc0282755ba3f3b55bb7c81d434dfe


Bail conditions: https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/bail/conditions

 

[Bohemian]

Today marks the start of National Child Protection Week: http://napcan.org.au/ncpw/

This man's story is just one example of why I have such an aversion to those who commit crimes against children:

Sascha Chandler tells story of child abuse ahead of Child Protection Week
Olivia Lambert
news.com.au
SEPTEMBER 3, 2017

'Mr Chandler tells his story to news.com.au ahead of Child Protection Week, which coincides with data released by child abuse prevention agency Act For Kids.

The organisation revealed 92 per cent of people did not do enough to intervene when they knew about child abuse and 1 in four people were not confident they could spot the signs of abuse.

Over the past five years, the number of children abused or neglected has increased more than 20 per cent, and one child is suffering from abuse or neglect every 12 minutes.'​

Read more at:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...k/news-story/5091dc3d081bd624eaf3d1427a5e2f34

 

[Karinna]

I think they'd charge him straight away, and put him in prison without bail. Remember, TJ was awaiting sentencing for a crime against a child and free when WT went missing. Police aren't going to let that happen again.

Yeah i guess so. They had no problem arresting and charging BS on the historical allegations, and he did get bail and is out on bail currently.

 

[sosocurious]

Unfortunately, bail is very hard to avoid these days. The court just puts bail conditions on a person, and expects them to comply. Some articles I have read say that this is due to the high cost of holding prisoners, the length of time they may have to wait for their trial, and how they are 'needed' to prepare their defence.

Even murderers and persons charged with other horrific crimes frequently get bail.


In NSW:
- Simon Gittany got bail (charged with murder after tossing his partner from a 15th floor balcony)
- Man Monis got bail (charged with 40 sexual assaults and accessory to murder) and went right on to commit the Sydney seige
- Rodney Lawrence got bail (charged with cold-case murder) despite 30 years of evading authorities and culpability
- William Stafford got bail (had an apprehended violence order against him, then went on to commit murder)

.... there are plenty more, but you get my gist.

Gittany: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r/news-story/50a218926199fea1771b305080fe65f7
Monis: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-si...-and-accessory-to-murder-20141215-127u1e.html
Lawrence: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cold-case-murder-accused-rodney-lawrence-granted-bail-20170420-gvonfx.html
Stafford: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...p/news-story/e9fc0282755ba3f3b55bb7c81d434dfe


Bail conditions: https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/bail/conditions

Yes that is what Justice Bellow said.
He said Mr Spedding had no criminal history, had strong ties to the community and that he needed to be free to prepare his defence.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...-over-child-sex-offences-20150618-ghry1m.html

 

[Marlean]

I wonder though about the pedofile conclusion coming up so quickly. Has anyone found pedofile photos of the boy during these years? I doubt it.

 

[Wexford]

Agree. I think the outcome of the two trials may be important to Jubelin's plans and intentions, also.

I agree. I have always believed these cases are all linked in some way. I would be really interested to know who it was who knew BS attended the house recently to WT going missing (and how did they know - surely it wasn't in the press for simply attending the house)? And then knew his alleged history?