CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #8

[ocgrad]

Thanks, you are probably correct that it was attached in the back, if it actually screws to the floor. I wasn't the one who installed it and I trust the instructions were followed. I was picturing it as something that didn't attach to the floor but that rested on it, extended out a bit in front of the front feet, to change the fulcrum point so it would need much more weight before it would tip. Not sure where I got that idea; I'm sure you are correct!

It should attach to the back of the stove and screw into a wall stud behind the stove. That way it is not visible or a cleaning issue or in the way.

 

[SkipperKey3]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-who-escaped-overcame-tremendous-odds-n839271

This article says the sister who initially went with the 17 year old was a "younger sister".

Interesting that nobody has commented on this. Not that it matters, but if this is correct, then we know which sibling it was. The 17-year-old was Fantastic #8, so she had 5 younger siblings. But #9 is male and #13 is too young (2 years old), so that leaves both of them out. That leaves #10, #11, #12. But I believe that #10 and #12 were under restraints that night, as it was reported that DT and/or LT released them when the authorities arrived ("the 14-year-old and the 11-year-old" according to early reports). That just leaves #11, who I believe is around 13 years old. Another Brave One!

Personally, I believe #1 was involved at least in planning and giving the needed moral support, but that is just speculation on my part. If I am correct, the fact that #8 and #11 were in that front room was crucial for the plan.

 

[disgruntled]

I respect your expertise but it seems a bit large and high on the wall to be drawn by a young child to me. I've drawn little sketches for kids and I don't worry about putting 5 fingers on them. I don't think these same concepts apply to adult drawings since adults can understand making something just representative. So isn't it possible it could have been drawn by one of the teens or adults especially considering how high it is?

maybe a collaborative drawing of two or more kids? My older kids do this with the younger kids quite a bit.

 

[rsd1200]

And that is exactly why the art teacher is critical.

Developmental stages cannot be taught. As a comparison, you cannot make a child walk if s/he is not ready. Children go through developmental stages in drawing as well as cognition.

Art work is a visual representation of a child’s developmental stage as well as their inner emotional life. It is represented in the symbols they use.

Artists that left the representational level such as Picasso were superb realistic drawers, but he moved onto the symbols which he seemed to have.copied from indigenous peoples.

That drawing on the wall is an internal expression. Like Picasso’s face of the woman which shows more than one side, Or Edvard Munch’s Scream. Farmmore powerful than a realistic rendering.

Art of the native people of Australia use the dot. So fascinating .

We don't know what age, why, or even who, drew the drawing, though. And sometimes folks just draw, to draw, no deep meaning, or it means something to someone else. If I posted the Christmas card, that my child designed, and sent to us, w/no context, the armchair psychologists would likely have a lot to say...

 

[rsd1200]

This talk about the shirts... It appears that some are thinking the shirts are for the children to wear. That isn't correct, is it? I was under the impression it would be for a fund raiser - selling the shirts to people who want to monetarily contribute to the children.

I may be one of the confused ones, I thought they were being sent to the children.

 

[Deleted member 278]

If people want to give money, they should give money. There is no need for a T-shirt to donate money. There is already a way to donate money.

I agree. There is no need to put a lot of time and effort into making shirts. IMO.

 

[LadyO]

A few years ago, Scott Thompson, CEO of Yahoo, was let go because he claimed to have graduated with a Computer Science degree in a year before the college even offered a Computer Science degree. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/19/business/the-undoing-of-scott-thompson-at-yahoo-common-sense.html

Virginia Tech in the article you quote is mistaken or the newspaper that quoted Virginia Tech is mistaken. It was not until around late 1987 or so that Virginia started offering a Computer Engineering degree which is about the time that the Bradley Department of Electrical Engineering was renamed the Bradley Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering. Degrees from this department in 1984 were named "Electrical Engineering." Please see https://ece.vt.edu/about/endowment about how the department was renamed to include Computer Engineering in 1987. Virginia Tech's commencement program and course catalog from 1984 have no degrees in Computer Engineering in the Electrical Engineering department. Now they have two degrees in the department - EE and CPE - but they did not at the time in 1984.

If Turpin returned to Virginia Tech after the 1987 Computer Engineering degree was started or completed one recently, that is possible, but it is not possible that he graduated in 1984 with a Computer Engineering degree because that degree did not yet exist. He could have taken Computer Science courses though, but he didn't graduate from the Computer Science program and in 1984 there were no B.S. degrees in Computer Engineering.

Engineers specialize within their discipline. It's quite possible he has an EE, with concentration in computer engineering.

My DH has an EE, with specialization in power. My high school BF has an EE with specialization in computer engineering. Both graduated from the same engineering school and department, same semester. Former bf works as a computer engineer.

Edited to add: computer engineering is now a separate degree at that school, although still under the same department. At the time they graduated, everything fell under an EE. I don't think we can say for sure what kind of degree DT has without more info, as those programs have changed so much over the past 25 years.

 

[Rocco]

I may be one of the confused ones, I thought they were being sent to the children.

I'm confused too. You go to an event and buy a shirt as a remembrance of the great time you had. Or a shirt with the name of the resort you went to last summer on a fun vacay. Why would the children want to wear a shirt to remind them of what thy'e been though? For that matter, why would they want to see other people wearing a shirt that memorializes their horrible past. There must be a better way to support them than reminding them of what they've been through . JMO

 

[her]

If people want to give money, they should give money. There is no need for a T-shirt to donate money. There is already a way to donate money.

Thanks, if I were the victim the last thing I would want is advertisement of my hell I just escaped from. For it to keep showing up on ppl walking around wearing it years later too.

 

[Rocco]

If people want to give money, they should give money. There is no need for a T-shirt to donate money. There is already a way to donate money.

There it is ^

 

[scapa]

Thanks. It's a rotten thing for someone whose life has been centered around words (MA in English and a lifetime focus on writing) to lose their words. It's a special kind of hell. Today is not as bad as it sometimes is.

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OT -- as someone who suffers from lupus, I am all too familiar with such symptoms. You have my heartfelt sympathies and my well-wishes.

 

[Hatfield]

If you look closely on the picture, where the black circle is, the "extra" hand actually belongs to number 10. If you look closely, you will see that her arm is bent and it's actually her hand.

JMO
If you are referring to the smaller hand under the hair of #10 I think you
could be right. But then who owns the larger hand that is coming down onto #10 stomach area? Thats the one that I dont think belongs to anyone in that picture. It cant be the Moms hand because it is a left hand and her left hand is supposed to be around the child.

Also if you take a step back and look at what is supposed to be the Moms left leg that appears under the child, I dont believe that came from the same photo. That leg looks to be too far towards the front of the photo and a little too far to her left.

IMO somone edited this picture a lot. Dont know why.

 

[birdsmomma]

JMO
If you are referring to the smaller hand under the hair of #10 I think you
could be right. But then who owns the larger hand that is coming down onto #10 stomach area? Thats the one that I dont think belongs to anyone in that picture. It cant be the Moms hand because it is a left hand and her left hand is supposed to be around the child.

Also if you take a step back and look at what is supposed to be the Moms left leg that appears under the child, I dont believe that came from the same photo. That leg looks to be too far towards the front of the photo and a little too far to her left.

IMO somone edited this picture a lot. Dont know why.

To me, the larger arm looks like it could be from the older boy behind her. The picture is just really odd though. Where the older boy and girl meet up is super odd looking and I do see what you're talking about with the leg that looks like it's behind the mom.

 

[disgruntled]

I have been curious about the gap in years between #12 and #13. #12 was 4 or so when they moved to CA. We don't have group photos before that. #13 was born about 6 yrs later. There are several pictures from those years in which LT does not appear to be pregnant. So I think the only possibility could be miscarriages and maybe it became harder for her to conceive after age 40.

My gut, is they began using some sort of birth control about the same time they started abandoning their other strict patriarchy beliefs. Little 13 could have been a surprise oops baby or a calculated attempt to change course once again after a few years of sowing their wild oats. Pretty much the ultimate fresh start if you look at their pattern. shudder.

 

[December]

Thanks, if I were the victim the last thing I would want is advertisement of my hell I just escaped from. For it to keep showing up on ppl walking around wearing it years later too.

Thank you for stating what I have been thinking.

 

[ocgrad]

I'm confused too. You go to an event and buy a shirt as a remembrance of the great time you had. Or a shirt with the name of the resort you went to last summer on a fun vacay. Why would the children want to wear a shirt to remind them of what thy'e been though? For that matter, why would they want to see other people wearing a shirt that memorializes their horrible past. There must be a better way to support them than reminding them of what they've been through . JMO

Not sent to the Kids. Purchased as a fund raiser with money going to the kids and at the same time a way to raise awareness of child abuse and show your support for them and their recovery.

 

[catastrophe_]

If you look closely on the picture, where the black circle is, the "extra" hand actually belongs to number 10. If you look closely, you will see that her arm is bent and it's actually her hand.

Yes, now seeing the uncropped version of this photo, I agree the 'mystery hand' actually belongs to the girl wearing shirt 10... it is just bent weird and you can see the wrist of her arm just a bit in front of the mom and baby's shirt(s).

At first, I thought that line on the boys hand was a strand of hair, it's actually a separating shadow line from two different arms. The boy's arms and wrists are even skinnier than I imagined

 

[December]

Since Human brought up art, it made me wonder if art and music therapy are commonly used? I know some of them are going to be a little more technically minded, but maybe there is some other type of thing that could be used there? Some of them may not even realize what types of things they are good at, for all we know. Also, IDK if this is still a thing, but a good old fashioned home economist might be helpful to their recovery. Maybe if taught kind of like a class, it wouldn't be too embarrassing if they didn't know something?

I am really praying that it turns out the cognitive damage wasn't as severe as feared and the adult ones will be able to live independent lives. But, it will take some time to figure that out, probably. By which time, maybe their parents' trials will be over.

In the question of fasting, I personally don't think it is a good idea for children. Children grow so much, they need to eat regularly (eta meaning 3 times a day or so IMO). As a child, my parents sometimes had a hard time getting me to eat. I just did not want to. I did know about fasting in a vague sort of way. I think i thought (as a kid) that you HAD to be an adult to even think about it. Jmo

 

[Rocco]

Not sent to the Kids. Purchased as a fund raiser with money going to the kids and at the same time a way to raise awareness of child abuse and show your support for them and their recovery.

Sorry, I just don't think the children would want to see shirts that singled them out for the horrible abuse they suffered. Not today and not in the future.

 

[December]

Didn't LT go to a specialist to help "reproduce"? I thought that is what her one weird FB message was about? Eta... I mean her weird one to an obgyn. I realize she had other weird ones...