CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #5

[Micheline]

If the police had evidence of Barbara being on that walk with Rob , would they keep that from her son , her brother , her sweet nephew? Would they let a family suffer that way?

I am sure LE has evidence of Barbara having been there, either that same day or within the first few days.

The Colorado River Sherif Department mentions time and time again: Barbara Thomas, last seen
Kelbaker Road/Hidden Hills near I-40.

No use in insisting on this if they have proof of the contrary imo.

Same for letting 100 ppl with dogs searching for 10 days in the Mojave desert under extreme temperatures. IMO

 

[Micheline]

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I have not been able to reconcile this point in my logic filter. Getting ready to fly to China to see an ailing brother, and going camping don’t add up.

We are missing a critical piece of info on this point.

Amateur opinion and speculation

From what I know, Barbara herself told her family about her trip with her husband as well as about her trip to visit her brother.

How does this not add up?

 

[rosesfromangels]

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From what I know, Barbara herself told her family about her trip with her husband as well as about her trip to visit her brother.

How does this not add up?

Because there is a great deal to do before you go on a trip to China. It’s not an easy place to get to. The camping trip seemed like odd timing

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Micheline]

Because there is a great deal to do before you go on a trip to China. It’s not an easy place to get to. The camping trip seemed like odd timing

Amateur opinion and speculation

What great deal are you referencing, that could not have been taken care of prior to her hiking trip?

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I was in Laughlin today, at the Riverside Casino, took the grandkids home who live in Bullhead City, shopped in Fort Mohave and I didn't see any flyers or posters anywhere.

Did you by any chance do a reconnaissance of Loser's Lounge? TIA

 

[dbdb11]

Did you by any chance do a reconnaissance of Loser's Lounge? TIA

my understanding is Losers doesnt open until 7pm or so. If they were there for the day might have been some losers loitering, but likely not open till nightfall

 

[dbdb11]

Because there is a great deal to do before you go on a trip to China. It’s not an easy place to get to. The camping trip seemed like odd timing

Amateur opinion and speculation

agree the camping trip seemed like odd timing in retrospect. at the time it was nothing unusual at all.

we tried to read some plea or hidden message into Barb's last call to us... my fathers wife was the one who spoke to her.

that was quite a tense time for my family, in the hospital especially.

basically the doc had pulled us aside and said its either semi recovery in four days or we have to make some seriously difficult choices about how my fathers treatment would proceed... it was the first time doc had asked to speak to us outside of my father's presence... so talk of pushing barbs flights forward and of my family cancelling our anniversary trip to stay in hk were all in discussion and on the table.

my dad is stubborn on stubborn, and insisted no need to rush barb out to hk, and insisted no need for us to cancel our travel plans.

the reason i bring this up, even if barb wanted to reach out and tell us something, i feel she would have been the same kind of stubborn as my dad; the same way he didnt want barb to worry about him, or scare her with proposal to shift her to an earlier flight, i would think in those moments, barb would not have wanted my dad or his wife to have to worry about her.

even if she wanted to say something, i think she would have held her tongue out of fear she might add worry to our equation... just my opinion.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

I was in Laughlin today, at the Riverside Casino, took the grandkids home who live in Bullhead City, shopped in Fort Mohave and I didn't see any flyers or posters anywhere.

I think if BT was kidnapped the more attention she gets puts her life in danger so maybe that’s why there were no flyers posted.

 

[dbdb11]

I think if BT was kidnapped the more attention she gets puts her life in danger so maybe that’s why there’s no flyers posted.

they kidnapped her and said 'put the dog in the kennel and get a lawyer, or else!' they obviously did not say 'keep it mum', or 'don't involve the police' 'cause robbie was on the scene with LE shifting rocks around, and on the tube with the talking heads, pleaing for her to be 'returned', as if she were a lost wallet.

maybe there are no fliers in Bullhead because there is a heavy fine for posting flyers in public places, and my POI is far too upstanding a citizen to break the rules... maybe.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

I think someone didn’t want BT to leave the country.

I think that RT received instructions for both of them to be at that pull off location and the rock formation in the desert at noon on July 12 the day BT went missing.

That is why BT seemed “not herself” while dropping off the dog.

I think that “Black Bikini, Red Hat and a Beer” wasn’t what BT was wearing but were code words meant for someone that means RT arrived at the location as he was requested to do.

I think then BT went missing and the reason was so she couldn’t leave the country.

I don’t think that RT knew that BT was going to come up missing that morning.

RT had nothing to do with BT missing and he did not know that was why they were to be at that location in the desert that morning. After BT went missing RT got mad and called 911 and later stated “ he would not press charges” which was a message to the kidnappers in the attempt that BT would be returned home safely.

The reason RT could be staying in his RV is that might be a location where RT believes BT might be dropped off.

 

[dbdb11]

I think someone didn’t want BT to leave the country.

I think that RT received instructions for both of them to be at that pull off location and the rock formation in the desert at noon on July 12 the day BT went missing.

That is why BT seemed “not herself” while dropping off the dog.

I think that “Black Bikini, Red Hat and a Beer” wasn’t what BT was wearing but were code words meant for someone that means RT arrived at the location as he was requested to do.

I think then BT went missing and the reason was so she couldn’t leave the country.

I don’t think that RT knew that BT was going to come up missing that morning.

RT had nothing to do with BT missing and he did not know that was why they were to be at that location in the desert that morning. After BT went missing RT got mad and called 911 and later stated “ he would not press charges” which was a message to the kidnappers in the attempt that BT would be returned home safely.

The reason RT could be staying in his RV is that might be a location where RT believes BT might be dropped off.

i also felt like he was speaking to someone, directing his message through media to some bodies or other.

 

[rosesfromangels]

What great deal are you referencing, that could not have been taken care of prior to her hiking trip?

China, in particular, (and especially right now), requires a great deal of back and forth to get your Visa approved. It’s not a smooth process.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[rosesfromangels]

I think someone didn’t want BT to leave the country.

I think that RT received instructions for both of them to be at that pull off location and the rock formation in the desert at noon on July 12 the day BT went missing.

That is why BT seemed “not herself” while dropping off the dog.

I think that “Black Bikini, Red Hat and a Beer” wasn’t what BT was wearing but were code words meant for someone that means RT arrived at the location as he was requested to do.

I think then BT went missing and the reason was so she couldn’t leave the country.

I don’t think that RT knew that BT was going to come up missing that morning.

RT had nothing to do with BT missing and he did not know that was why they were to be at that location in the desert that morning. After BT went missing RT got mad and called 911 and later stated “ he would not press charges” which was a message to the kidnappers in the attempt that BT would be returned home safely.

The reason RT could be staying in his RV is that might be a location where RT believes BT might be dropped off.

Why would RT and BT be targeted for such an unusual, and rare occurrence?

 

[Micheline]

China, in particular, (and especially right now), requires a great deal of back and forth to get your Visa approved. It’s not a smooth process.

Amateur opinion and speculation

If she had her visa, ticket and hotel reservation, then what would keep her from relaxing with her husband for a couple of days.

 

[Micheline]

Why would RT and BT be targeted for such an unusual, and rare occurrence?

I wonder about that too.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Why would RT and BT be targeted for such an unusual, and rare occurrence?

It's an intriguing scenario that does seem rare and counterproductive this many weeks out - what's the point? Why would anyone (but RT) care if she left the country to visit a sick relative?

ETA - if it's about ransom, just take him. You'd still get paid, and missing men get way less attention than attractive missing women. If it's about revenge, well it's been quite a while for whoever it is to make their point. But she's still missing.

 

[Teche]

@dbdb11 You are doing an amazing job! I’m so glad you have so many working with you.

The longer this goes on, and the less RT seems to do, the harder it is to maintain my benefit-of-the-doubt victim-friendly attitude. It reminds me too much of my first case here on WS six years ago when Stephanie Warner’s boyfriend was the last to see her and things just didn’t add up. He made one half-hearted plea for her to return, but didn’t search for her in the mountains he knew so well. He didn’t put up posters. He didn’t organize anyone to help. He just moved into her house and partied. Because family lived far away, it ended up being Websleuthers who did the sleuthing and publicity. I wish I could say she was found and her boyfriend was arrested but unfortunately that didn’t happen. At least we tried. And we still keep a hopeful vigil on her thread.

All I can say is, keep on keeping on with the helpers here that you have. I’m sure you are informing LE of all information you dig up. Be their partner. You may have to politely but firmly hold their feet to the fire so that they will continue the investigation, but keep it up.

I will leave you with this valuable advice/pep talk from Dave Van Norman who was a San Bernardino County deputy coroner’s investigator. I don’t know if he is still working, but his contact info is at the end of the article, although it may be outdated. He gives detailed advice to families of missing persons and ends his article...

A missing person is too important to be left to one person. Those family members who wish to “leave it to the professionals,” and sit back on the couch to let the police do the work will probably get out of this what they put into it. I prefer the Team Approach, with the family involved in a productive way. We must help law enforcement to accomplish this mission, and if they do not know how, we can show them the way.

Will law enforcement accept your assistance? Perhaps not willingly. We in law enforcement tend to think that we don’t need any help, and some investigators will view the family as hindrance. That’s too bad. The missing person is YOUR LOVED ONE. You may have to be insistent. You may ruffle some feathers. Is there anything more important?

Everything You Need to Know When Your Loved One Goes Missing | Justice In Miami #Justice4Lily

More links to David Van Norman:
David Van Norman - IMDb
Confessions of a coroner

Please, please post this as a must read for families and friends of the missing/lost!

 

[dbdb11]

China, in particular, (and especially right now), requires a great deal of back and forth to get your Visa approved. It’s not a smooth process.

Amateur opinion and speculation

hk still quite easy for americans to come and go as compared with the rest of china. recent tensions are not helping things.

 

[Hair of the Dog]

It's an intriguing scenario that does seem rare and counterproductive this many weeks out - what's the point? Why would anyone (but RT) care if she left the country to visit a sick relative?

ETA - if it's about ransom, just take him. You'd still get paid, and missing men get way less attention than attractive missing women. If it's about revenge, well it's been quite a while for whoever it is to make their point. But she's still missing.

And why would anyone want to kidnap her and hold her hostage?

 

[Hair of the Dog]

@dbdb11 did Barb work with Rob in his real estate and supplement businesses? TIA