sorry for thread title not being correctly formatted, just wanted to get it up since its happening live right now
http://abc30.com/live/23354/
http://abc30.com/live/23354/
...Shocking new video has emerged showing California police shooting dead a 19-year-old man as he lay on the ground.
Cellphone footage shows Dylan Noble being gunned down by cops at a Fresno gas station after they pulled him over for speeding on June 24.
Police officers are heard yelling at the 19-year-old to 'let us see what you got' and 'keep your hands up' before one opens fire.
They are swiftly joined by two more cops who aim their guns at Noble who is lying bleeding on the ground.
An officer was heard to warn him again to raise his hands before a second shot was fired.
Cellphone video showing Fresno police officers shooting an unarmed 19-year-old man lying on the ground at a gas station has sparked protests and prompted the FBI to launch an investigation.
The FBI and the U.S. attorney general’s office have agreed to investigate the shooting and will have access to all evidence, Dyer said. The chief said he didn’t want the public to think the police department isn’t “fair and objective” in its handling of the investigation and that FBI oversight would provide more transparency.
At least one use-of-force expert said the chief’s statement that the shooting sequence lasted more than 2 minutes was odd.
“That would be highly unusual. It’s usually no more than five to 20 seconds between the first and last shot,” said Charles "Sid" Heal, a former Los Angeles County sheriff's commander.
In cases where lethal force was used, “each and every shot must be justified as protecting the public or officers,” Heal said.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fresno-dylan-noble-body-camera-20160711-snap-story.html
In a claim filed Monday, Veronica Nelson said her son, Dylan Noble, was stopped on June 25 by officers, who already had their guns drawn. He walked away from officers with his hands held up, then turned and walked toward them. That’s when she said an officer, who was standing 10 feet away, fired two shots in rapid succession.
He collapsed to the ground and rolled onto his back, where he lay bleeding, she said in her claim. About 30 seconds later, the same officer fired another shot at him. Then about 15 seconds later, a second officer, who was armed with a shotgun, fired the fourth shot at Noble as he remained on the ground.
no sympathy from me whatsoever, i counted 12-15 times the officer told him to put both his hands up, and then he hides one hand behind his back
It seems to me like he wanted them to shoot. What other reason could he have for not putting the other hand up? I can see where LE thought he may have had a weapon behind his back. Not sure about the shots fired after the initial two. I cannot bring myself to watch that part. IMO, the officers showed a lot of restraint initially before shooting.
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Those subsequent shots bother me - unable to see the need for those shots. Would DN have lived if only shot the first 2 times?
No weapon was seen, but there was a threat that a weapon could be there. After the first 2 shots - still no weapon is seen. A person cannot lie still when shot - even if ordered to do so by LE. The threat was neutralized - they certainly had to keep their eyes on him while he was still moving - but not continue to shoot. Imo, LE cannot continue to shoot after disabling someone like that.
Sorry, not going to buy that every person continues to be a threat after they have been shot twice.
Stop withering in pain or I’m going to have to shoot you again. :facepalm: Failing to show your hands to a cop should not be a capital offense. There could be all kinds of reasons for a suspect not to comply with the cops orders. They could be deaf, they could be drunk, they could be too mentally incompetent to comply, or maybe they just don’t want to. None of those should be a valid reason to execute them without a trial.
If the cops are those great heros that some contend they are, then they should act like it, and start accepting some personl risk, rather then just violating peoples right to due process, by killing them first.
Stop withering in pain or Im going to have to shoot you again. :facepalm: Failing to show your hands to a cop should not be a capital offense. There could be all kinds of reasons for a suspect not to comply with the cops orders. They could be deaf, they could be drunk, they could be too mentally incompetent to comply, or maybe they just dont want to. None of those should be a valid reason to execute them without a trial.
If the cops are those great heros that some contend they are, then they should act like it, and start accepting some personl risk, rather then just violating peoples right to due process, by killing them first.
I think a lot of times people think it is selfish for the officer to want to protect his own life, and perhaps it is, but one must remember that once an officer has been neutralized, the threat to the general public increases, at least in the short term. Not only is the officer unable to protect nearby citizens when he is down, a perpetrator who has shot a cop may enter a "nothing to lose" mentality wherein he sees no reason not to start shooting innocent bystanders, as he is already probably going to go to jail for a long time.