Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #16

[soanyway]

I was referring to the writer insinuating that it was Sutton that stopped to help her with no mention of the driver of the truck previously reported. The media just continues to regurgitate previous media reports, some of which haven't even been confirmed by LE. JMO

12. Keith Papini said his wife ran for help after she was left on the side of a road. She flagged down a passing motorist, Alison Sutton, on Interstate 5 North in California.
"I saw a woman frantically waving what looked like a shirt up and down, trying to flag somebody down. I was started to see her. It was dark and she pretty much just came out of nowhere," Sutton told "20/20." "If I had swerved to the right at least a little bit, I would have hit her with my car. She had, like, a wide-eyed, panicked kind of look. I figured if she was willing to risk being hit by a car trying to get somebody’s attention that she must really need some help."
Sutton told the New York Daily News that Papini "didn't look like she was hurt, but she did look scared."


http://www.ibtimes.com/sherri-papin...-about-missing-california-mother-case-2455940

Keith Papini himself describes it that way:
Keith Papini offered a different account of his wife's injuries in a statement to Good Morning America. He said she was emaciated and covered in "multi-colored bruises, severe burns, red rashes, and chain markings."

"Her signature long, blonde hair had been chopped off," he said. "She has been branded, and I could feel the rise of her scabs under my fingers. She was thrown from a vehicle with a chain around her waist, attached to her wrists and a bag over her head. The same bag she used to flag someone down once she was able to free one of her hands."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-mom-sherri-papini-addresses-rumors/94593338/

 

[missgulfsouth]

Whew! Ok...caught up. Good thing I'm a fast reader!

Is the Ashleigh Banfield report accurate, the one about LE announcing that they are not ruling Keith out? Did I read that correctly?

Whiplash, baby.

 

[bluesneakers]

I doubt a woman abducted for sex trafficking is going to tell the John paying for sex that they were being held against their will. The John would seem to be as much of a villain as the abductors. JMO


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The John is part of the cycle and unlikely to help. No Johns would mean no trafficking.
JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sappearance-continues-leaves-dogs-behind.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2336970/abducted-mum-sherri-papini-flees-home/

The neighbor said he doesn't think they will ever be back.

So what? That doesn't mean they won't eventually send for their pets.

 

[flourish]

Thats a good point but I am not really so sure about that.

Not that Ive ever been with a prostitute but even if i paid someone to have sex and they began to secretly tell me about them being held against their will, I can guarantee I would find a way to let LE know as much as possible about the girl. It would be well after I had left the pimp and the girl.

See but you'd get a proper call girl, I assume, not answering an ad on back page or something.

I have no personal experience in either being or hiring a prostitute. But from what little real life stuff I know, the guys who pay not much for some oral in a car or motel aren't generally very upstanding or sober/clean. People don't like to incriminate themselves.

I'm guessing sex traffickers are more about quantity than quality and don't attract customers who are particularly awesome inside their hearts.

 

[Gardener1850]

Whew! Ok...caught up. Good thing I'm a fast reader!

Is the Ashleigh Banfield report accurate, the one about LE announcing that they are not ruling Keith out? Did I read that correctly?

Whiplash, baby.

I saw her report and it seems like she got that info from the erroneous New York Post article with old quotes. LE has made no new statements in this case.

 

[creepcrusher]

I'm not addressing this case specifically, but as you asked a general question, I'll give a general answer. It is not unusual in the underworld of sex trafficking to abduct (and there are different forms of abduction) a girl or young woman, keep her locked in a room tied down, sexually abused and tortured (cigarette burns are common). During this breaking in period, the victims are routinely injected with street drugs until they develop an addiction. By the time they are deemed ready to turn out, they are drug dependent and afraid for their lives. Thus, they remain silent and compliant.

In case anyone is wondering, the above does not come from television or movies, but from personal testimonies of women and former pimps I've known over the years.

Thank you for this. I have also known victims of sex trafficking here in Phoenix and it is very real. It's hard for me to see comments from others comparing this to the movies or fictional novels. Many cases go unreported, especially when the victims are adults, because they are made to look like they voluntarily chose that life. Once they become addicted to the drugs there is a dependency, and they become brainwashed, tortured etc, so they conform to the pimps commands. It's so much more common than people realize. Yes, runaways and teens are more commonly forced into that lifestyle, but it HAS happened to adult women as well.


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[Canaancat]

Did you miss the Verified Insider coming to post? It's worth going back to read. :moo:

I read all of Lake16's posts. Very helpful. As this is my first "case" on WS, what does a verified insider mean? Do we know specifically the involvement (i.e. LE, relative, friend, attorney, etc,?). Thanks !

 

[KaaBoom]

Just wondering, did you see the answer quoted above by the Verified Insider on this case (Lake 16) when asked for an opinion on motive? If someone who is close to this case and knows more about it than any of us here is leaning toward trafficking, does that give you any reason to reconsider your opinion?

I saw the post. I am well aware that human trafficking is a popular theory here. But it doesn't make any sense. Because 1. human trafficking is too easy for LE to uncover and break up. It can't work, as a few posters here have pointed out. 2. SP doesn't fit the profile of a human trafficking victim, as many here have pointed out.

Human trafficking is the worst possible angle to investigate this case from.

 

[Hippiechic]

I get it. Just think it's odd that's all. Along with Keith's new truck not knowing if it's his or his friends.

So what? That doesn't mean they won't eventually send for their pets.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Did you miss the Verified Insider coming to post? It's worth going back to read. :moo:

I totally skipped to the last page. This thread moves WAY too fast to keep up. Do you have a post # ?

 

[creepcrusher]

The John is part of the cycle and unlikely to help. No Johns would mean no trafficking.
JMO

The Johns are what make trafficking go around. They definitely aren't the saviors.


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[flourish]

3. Kevin Papini works as an audio-video specialist. He has denied that the abduction story is fake. "I understand people want the story, pictures, proof that this was not some sort of hoax, plan to gain money, or some fabricated race war," Keith Papini told Good Morning America. "I do not see a purpose in addressing each preposterous lie."

Can they at least get his name right? Really?


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I'm quite certain that most of us proof and fact check our posts here more than supposed reporters do in these articles.

 

[DizzyB]

It seems I missed an interesting exchange. Darn!
I'm reading all the previous posts. Yes, I do read EVERY single post.

--- but.. quick stop to address the NYPost article.
Brief, choppy, tabloid... that was my first thought, but when you watch MG- live FB interview... hmmm...
This FB live portion of the interview is more telling than what they aired to the viewers . IMO
Worth watching.

Click on 4:30 - 5:10 (marker)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154421822094934&id=163497464933

Second source confirming a more recent conversation with Bosenko-is MG rehashing old news or is this new? Is this an assumption on MG's part or was the question asked? Did the Post blur the details when they said Bosenko "told the NY Post"? Hmm I understand misquotes and rehashing but that's a pretty strong statement to make on MG's part.

 

[bluesneakers]

See but you'd get a proper call girl, I assume, not answering an ad on back page or something.

I have no personal experience in either being or hiring a prostitute. But from what little real life stuff I know, the guys who pay not much for some oral in a car or motel aren't generally very upstanding or sober/clean. People don't like to incriminate themselves.

I'm guessing sex traffickers are more about quantity than quality and don't attract customers who are particularly awesome inside their hearts.

Awesome inside their hearts.

You have such a way with words, nefarious flourish.

 

[kanzz]

I totally skipped to the last page. This thread moves WAY too fast to keep up. Do you have a post # ?

Here ya go:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ng-2-November-2016-16&p=12984658#post12984658

 

[Gardener1850]

I saw the post. I am well aware that human trafficking is a popular theory here. But it doesn't make any sense. Because 1. human trafficking is too easy for LE to uncover and break up. It can't work, as a few posters her have pointed out. 2. SP doesn't fit the profile of a human trafficking victim, as many have pointed out.

Human trafficking is the worst possible angle to investigate this case from.

Thanks for answering. You are entitled to your opinion and I won't try to convince you otherwise. :moo:

 

[Mosaic]

The people who murdered the Petit family (husband survived) saw the wife and one of the daughters leaving a grocery store, followed them home. Came back later that night and did home invasion.

But they didn't camped in the house for 22 days, right? They knew the wife/husband absence will be noticed by co-workers, neighbors, etc. A teenager absence can be easily view as a runaway incident. They did their home invasion and their crime and left.

Honestly, I have no trouble with the sex traffic scenario. She is beautiful, fit, trimmed, blonde, blue eyes; (the age factor throw me off, but she looks younger) but the 22 days captivity and release? can't take that at face value.

 

[soanyway]

There are many reasons why a victim is unable to escape, here are just a few:

WHY DON’T VICTIMS SEEK OUT HELP?
• Victims fear retaliation if they seek out help.
• Victims may be psychologically manipulated and brainwashedinto having loyalty to their aggressors. This is frequently
reinforced with physical abuse or even torture.
• Victims are reluctant to self-identify as a victim.
• Victims and their families face extreme security risks because traffickers may have ties with other forms of organized crime.
• Victims have limited contact with outside world and may face a language barrier.
• Officials usually do not know all of the perpetrators; therefore, victims can face retaliation from unknown sources.
• Victims are trained to distrust law enforcement.
• There is a lack of victim assistance services for victim of human trafficking.
WHO ARE THE MOST COMMON VICTIMS?
Any person - male or female, young or old, US citizen or foreignnational - can be a victim of human trafficking.

http://www.tyla.org/tyla/assets/File/SOS GENERAL BrochureWeb.pdf

Exactly and it would only take one person to agree to report it, which would break up the whole operation. To say nothing if you happened to be a LEO conducting a sting operation. They could probably get away with it for a few days, or maybe even a few weeks, but that would be it, and everyone involved would be arrested.

 

[Madeleine74]

I never said Account Executives can't make decent money, I said they are in sales. And those in sales can can make decent money if they exceed their sales plans. There are Account Executives in Retail Sales (which is what SP may have been). You'll see their salaries are different. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/AT-and-T-Retail-Account-Executive-Salaries-E613_D_KO9,33.htm


What I actually posted was that an "Account Executive" is not the same as an "Executive." Executives are D & C-level management, have many people report up the line to them, and usually make well over $250K.