CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #1

[Eileen730]

I am stunned that any LEA would not ask for a polygraph from a husband-unless they have video showing Susan arriving at Raleys. But if so, why would they not tell the family, at least?

He could have refused!
Susan could have vanished the night or the day before she was reported we don't know and I wish Kjac would get verified. No disrespect intended here but ....

 

[Eileen730]

FWIW Does he usually call her during the day? MY hubby calls me or texts me many times during the day.

 

[Eileen730]

Does Kjac have to be Verified to answer our questions on this Websleuths thread?

I would think yes!

 

[Treelights]

I don't think it's that odd he didn't go to the shopping center after he got home and discovered she wasn't there. He knew she was going in the morning, she was gone by 7:30 am, in which he was told she was going to Raley's Market. Why would he think her car would be there a good 8-9 hours later??? I wouldn't think to go look there, I'd have assumed she'd already been there and left and something happened someplace else. IMO.

I can see checking hospitals in that case.

I really hope that kjac doesn't come here and see a lot of suspicion about his father, when he hasn't been named a POI or a suspect. That's why they call this a victim-friendly site. Kjac is a victim, his precious mother has disappeared. Cjac is also a victim right now as he beloved wife has disappeared.

Kjac, I hope all is well with you and you impending fatherhood. Your life will never be the same.

Why not check the last place you knew your wife would be at?
He called hospitals and called police, so why not check where he knew where she was. It is only a couple miles from his house.

I understand that Susan's husband is a Victim. I understand that Kjac is a victim.
The father himself stated he knew he would be on the top of everyone's list.
There is no "victim bashing" from me about wanting to know if he checked the shopping center Before he called the police that his wife is missing.
If you are directing your comment at me, you are mistaken.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

Ok let's rethink this. We aren't doing Susan one damned bit of good by sitting here and speculating. How can we help? I know several of us live in the area, or close enough that we can easily make the trip in a short time. What can we do to get some attention back on this case, or help look for answers or information? What if we set up a free lemonade stand or something similar in the community with the purpose of making people aware of Susan's case and possibly generating some new info or tips. I know it sounds silly but I just feel like there's gotta be something we can do to help.

 

[bright_shadow]

I think I initially suspected her husband because I thought his demeanor was odd. But the more I think about it the more I think it is just a even keeled disposition, which comes across as somewhat flat or unemotional on the video. JMO

Totally agree. I think it's difficult -- and unfair -- to judge anyone from their demeanor on an on camera new report. Anyone who's been the subject of an on air broadcast probably knows how reports are spliced/edited, and how questions are posed in ways to elicit responses consistent with how the reporter wants to present the story.

 

[bright_shadow]

I am stunned that any LEA would not ask for a polygraph from a husband-unless they have video showing Susan arriving at Raleys. But if so, why would they not tell the family, at least?

That's been on my mind too.

Based on recent cases, if I were an investigator and wanted to remain objective and open to all possibilities, I would tread carefully with regard to the family. Notwithstanding the fact that they must be considered victims,
one would also want to encourage them to talk. Asking for a polygraph could cause the husband to retain legal counsel, and that could instantly shut off all information from that source.

Also, it preempts anyone from later claiming that law enforcement focused on the spouse to the exclusion of other possibilities, if you all know what I mean.

Please know I am not implying that Mr. Jacobson is guilty. I'm just trying to put myself in the investigators' place and attempt to discern why they are proceeding as they are.

It is my hope that the silence that is so frustrating to us is symptomatic of a comprehensive investigation in which investigators are pursuing all possibilities while holding their cards close to their chests.

JMOO.

 

[Annie1004]

Just my two cents: I don't think the first thing i would think -- if a spouse wasn't home when I returned -- is that s/he was abducted. In fact,if everything was OK when the spouse left for errands in the morning, that would be my last thought (and I am a worrier). The chances of a random abduction are so minuscule that I would phone around to friends and relatives, check the hospitals before I would call the police. Even if it was out of character for the spouse to not be home. Of course, as time goes by, I would be freaking out if I had exhausted all the other possibilities of where s/he went.

For those reasons, it does not surprise me that the missing person alarm does not go off immediately.

I must say, though, that this is one of the strangest disappearances in recent history. It makes no sense, but truth is stranger than fiction. JMOO.

 

[bright_shadow]

Ok let's rethink this. We aren't doing Susan one damned bit of good by sitting here and speculating. How can we help? I know several of us live in the area, or close enough that we can easily make the trip in a short time. What can we do to get some attention back on this case, or help look for answers or information? What if we set up a free lemonade stand or something similar in the community with the purpose of making people aware of Susan's case and possibly generating some new info or tips. I know it sounds silly but I just feel like there's gotta be something we can do to help.

The feeling of helplessness is exactly why I joined this forum. Not to gossip or rumormonger, but in hopes that even just talking about Susan and keeping her in our consciousness will somehow make a difference.

Also, someone out there knows something. If they stumble across this forum, maybe it will evoke some memory of something they know that they didn't realize could be meaningful to the investigation, and inform investigators.

Unfortunately it's all I can do because circumstances render me fairly housebound.

Your idea doesn't sound silly to me. Continuing to increase awareness of Susan's plight is a good idea and I wish I could contribute more. Again, maybe doing so will cause someone to remember something that will be instrumental in bringing Susan home.

 

[Treelights]

Just my two cents: I don't think the first thing i would think -- if a spouse wasn't home when I returned -- is that s/he was abducted. In fact,if everything was OK when the spouse left for errands in the morning, that would be my last thought (and I am a worrier). The chances of a random abduction are so minuscule that I would phone around to friends and relatives, check the hospitals before I would call the police. Even if it was out of character for the spouse to not be home. Of course, as time goes by, I would be freaking out if I had exhausted all the other possibilities of where s/he went.

For those reasons, it does not surprise me that the missing person alarm does not go off immediately.

I must say, though, that this is one of the strangest disappearances in recent history. It makes no sense, but truth is stranger than fiction. JMOO.

Exactly!
And speaking for myself, I would retrace all the steps taken.
It's like they say about when a person loses their keys....and someone asks, well where did you find them? And the answer is, I found them in the last place I had them.
So retracing steps of that morning with all the knowledge available is only helpful in finding a solution, before calling the police. IMOO.

 

[bright_shadow]

Ok let's rethink this. We aren't doing Susan one damned bit of good by sitting here and speculating. How can we help? I know several of us live in the area, or close enough that we can easily make the trip in a short time. What can we do to get some attention back on this case, or help look for answers or information? What if we set up a free lemonade stand or something similar in the community with the purpose of making people aware of Susan's case and possibly generating some new info or tips. I know it sounds silly but I just feel like there's gotta be something we can do to help.

P.S. I think a good idea right now would be to pass out ice cold bottles of water relabeled with Susan's missing poster, facebook URL, and tipline information.

One has to be careful though -- there's a big brouhaha about allowing solicitors/signature gatherers (even girl scout cookie sales!) outside of grocery stores -- including Raley's.

Whatever happened to the candlelight vigil idea? Susan has been missing for two months -- going on three at beginning of August.

 

[TxLady2]

Ok, the police found the car. He knew she would be shopping there. He did not check the parking lot First before calling the police that his wife is missing?
If you know that your wife is going shopping at the shopping center, and she isn't home when you get home from work, wouldn't you Before you call the police, Check the shopping center to see if she is still there?? IMOO.
And if he did that, how long did he hang around the shopping center to see when she would return to her vehicle? It just doesn't add up.......IMOO.

Why would he think to check the parking lot 8 hours later? If he knew she was going there to pick up a few things, then on to other places, he might have assumed she would have been long gone by then. He had been at work all day, I'm sure he would not have thought she or her car would still be in that parking lot that many hours later. Even if he had the fleeting thought that she left him and went far away, I would think he would assume she left in her own car.... not that she would leave her purse and money and take off walking.

When things like this happen, someone is not home when they're supposed to be, it leaves the other party distraught and feeling helpless. Some people just don't know what to do, they're upset and their thoughts and emotions are all over the place, especially older people.

 

[Treelights]

Why would he think to check the parking lot 8 hours later? If he knew she was going there to pick up a few things, then on to other places, he might have assumed she would have been long gone by then. He had been at work all day, I'm sure he would not have thought she or her car would still be in that parking lot that many hours later. Even if he had the fleeting thought that she left him and went far away, I would think he would assume she left in her own car.... not that she would leave her purse and money and take off walking.

When things like this happen, someone is not home when they're supposed to be, it leaves the other party distraught and feeling helpless. Some people just don't know what to do, they're upset and their thoughts and emotions are all over the place, especially older people.

I think differently than some people. For myself, I would retrace the steps that was made from that day, no matter how many hours transpired. I would check physically where they said they were going to be before doing anything else.
That is just myself. IMOO!
I have been passionate about finding Susan.
I hope she is found safe.

 

[cluciano63]

I think instinct would make me go look in the parking lots of where the person was meant to have gone, whether it made much sense or not. I think I would probably do that first and then call the police.

 

[huckleberryhound]

I think the one detail in this case that seems to defy a logical explanation in my mind is that her purse was apparently found in the unlocked car, and her wallet found on the other side of parking lot. If she were abducted while walking into the store, the car would have been locked, and her purse would either be missing with her or in the street with wallet. Even if the car was staged there by Susan or someone else, why separate the purse and wallet? And leave the car unlocked? It would be very interesting to know if the car keys were found in purse or in ignition, or are missing.

 

[bright_shadow]

I think the one detail in this case that seems to defy a logical explanation in my mind is that her purse was apparently found in the unlocked car, and her wallet found on the other side of parking lot. If she were abducted while walking into the store, the car would have been locked, and her purse would either be missing with her or in the street with wallet. Even if the car was staged there by Susan or someone else, why separate the purse and wallet? And leave the car unlocked? It would be very interesting to know if the car keys were found in purse or in ignition, or are missing.

My thoughts too. In a previous post, I pondered the separation of the wallet and the purse. The only thing I could think of is -- if this was staged -- is that it would be somewhat easy to discreetly drop a small wallet somewhere in the parking lot, but not so much with a purse.

How would someone possibly explain if they were caught dropping off a purse in a parking lot? And the sight of someone doing this would likely draw someone's attention, wouldn't it? Much more risky than dumping a small wallet. ???????????????

 

[bright_shadow]

I think differently than some people. For myself, I would retrace the steps that was made from that day, no matter how many hours transpired. I would check physically where they said they were going to be before doing anything else.
That is just myself. IMOO!
I have been passionate about finding Susan.
I hope she is found safe.

I don't know what I would do. It would depend on the circumstances. But, in Susan's case, I would first check to see if there was evidence she'd been home after running the errands she had described that morning (fresh loaf of bread? evidence from Raley's/Target -- receipts, bags, etc? mail retrieved? dog taken care of? calls on answering machine?). If not, I would make quick calls to her son and sister. Then, depending, I might do any of several things -- from calling hospitals and the CHP, to going back to Raley's, to calling law enforcement's non-emergency number and asking them what other course of action I should take.
In the case of an older person of Susan's description (shy, homebody) with a very set routine (as news reports have stated), I would be very, very concerned if I came home and there was no evidence she'd ever returned from her errand run AND I hadn't heard from her since that a.m.

TL, I know you're passionate about finding Susan. I appreciate that about you very much.

 

[cluciano63]

Three scenarios as I see it, as far as wallet being dropped;

A. Staged by a perp hoping that it would be turned in, causing it to be known fairly quickly that she was missing
B. Staged by Susan, to make it look like an abduction
C. Tossed by perp once he grabbed the cash, if she had the wallet in her hand when he grabbed her

What else?

 

[huckleberryhound]

Three scenarios as I see it, as far as wallet being dropped;

A. Staged by a perp hoping that it would be turned in, causing it to be known fairly quickly that she was missing
B. Staged by Susan, to make it look like an abduction
C. Tossed by perp once he grabbed the cash, if she had the wallet in her hand when he grabbed her

What else?

Another thing I was thinking, is that someone may have hoped credit cards were stolen and used somewhere else, or if keys were left in the unlocked car , hoping car would be stolen, both things that would lead LE in a false direction.

 

[Eileen730]

That's been on my mind too.

Based on recent cases, if I were an investigator and wanted to remain objective and open to all possibilities, I would tread carefully with regard to the family. Notwithstanding the fact that they must be considered victims,
one would also want to encourage them to talk. Asking for a polygraph could cause the husband to retain legal counsel, and that could instantly shut off all information from that source.

Also, it preempts anyone from later claiming that law enforcement focused on the spouse to the exclusion of other possibilities, if you all know what I mean.

Please know I am not implying that Mr. Jacobson is guilty. I'm just trying to put myself in the investigators' place and attempt to discern why they are proceeding as they are.

It is my hope that the silence that is so frustrating to us is symptomatic of a comprehensive investigation in which investigators are pursuing all possibilities while holding their cards close to their chests.

JMOO.

He was the last to see her. All my questions would be directed at him.
If the neighbor was the last person to see her he would be my focus. Hubby needs to be ruled out to move past and as I read it he has not been ruled out!
So Im stuck here where she was last seen!


I think LE is silent because they suspect someone but need evidence!