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No it was not it did not come on the market until after madeleine disappeared. It was licensed in january 2007, and was on the market september 2007 four months after madeleine disappeared. It woudl have been highly illegal for it to have been sold or put on the shelves before this time.
It is now no longer licensed in the UK. It was only on the UK market for a very short time.
 
brit1981 said:
No it was not it did not come on the market until after madeleine disappeared.
It is now no longer licensed in the UK. It was only on the UK market for a very short time.
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can you provide factual evidence of your statement that is presented as fact pleas?
 
brit1981 said:
No it was not it did not come on the market until after madeleine disappeared.
It is now no longer licensed in the UK. It was only on the UK market for a very short time.
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It was first sold in the UK in January (12th) of 2007 and sold until March (2nd) of 2009. I've posted proof of the cut off date already. If you disagree with what I've posted please provide another link. TIA

Based on the review of the data on quality, safety and efficacy, the UK granted McNeil Products Ltd (formerly Pfizer Consumer Helathcare) marketing authorisations for the medicinal products for Calcold (PL 15513/0145) Calpol Night (PL 15513/0146) and Calcold Sachets (PL 15513/0151) on 12/01/2007.
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http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/l-unit1/documents/websiteresources/con014179.pdf
 
You are gettign confused between the licensing date and the marketing dates. the licensing date was january 2007, but the marketing date was september 2007. It was not available to buy before september 2007.
It is a really serious accusation to claim it was available to buy before its marketing date. Do you have any evidence someone was selling it before spetember 2007?
 
No something that was not marketed like that would not be given out. besides kate was only a part time GP locum, she was not a partner at her practice and would not have been involved in the buying of medications. And Gerry was a cardiologist so would never have been contacted about an over the counter childrens medication.
But it would not have been normal for a sales rep to give out samples. And because calpol is an over the counter medication it would not be normal for the GPs to give it out anyway as people normally just buy it themselves from supermarkets and places like boots. There is also the point that calpol night is meant to be taken at night, so even if the mccanns had somehow managed to get hold of it and given it to their children why woudl they cover it up if it killed them. If i was given a legal children's drug that they were supposed to have given them at night and my child died, iwould not cover it up and dump my child i would drag the pharmaceutical company through every court possible and demand the drug was removed from sale. But that is a moot point as they could not have got hold of it anyway.
 
brit1981 said:
No something that was not marketed like that would not be given out. besides kate was only a part time GP locum, she was not a partner at her practice and would not have been involved in the buying of medications. And Gerry was a cardiologist so would never have been contacted about an over the counter childrens medication.
But it would not have been normal for a sales rep to give out samples. And because calpol is an over the counter medication it would not be normal for the GPs to give it out anyway as people normally just buy it themselves from supermarkets and places like boots. There is also the point that calpol night is meant to be taken at night, so even if the mccanns had somehow managed to get hold of it and given it to their children why woudl they cover it up if it killed them. If i was given a legal children's drug that they were supposed to have given them at night and my child died, iwould not cover it up and dump my child i would drag the pharmaceutical company through every court possible and demand the drug was removed from sale. But that is a moot point as they could not have got hold of it anyway.
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You are stating as fact, when surely that is impossible to do so , as only the people concerned would be able to confirm or deny your statements.
Unless you can support your claims?
 
brit1981 said:
No something that was not marketed like that would not be given out. besides kate was only a part time GP locum, she was not a partner at her practice and would not have been involved in the buying of medications. And Gerry was a cardiologist so would never have been contacted about an over the counter childrens medication.
But it would not have been normal for a sales rep to give out samples. And because calpol is an over the counter medication it would not be normal for the GPs to give it out anyway as people normally just buy it themselves from supermarkets and places like boots. There is also the point that calpol night is meant to be taken at night, so even if the mccanns had somehow managed to get hold of it and given it to their children why woudl they cover it up if it killed them. If i was given a legal children's drug that they were supposed to have given them at night and my child died, iwould not cover it up and dump my child i would drag the pharmaceutical company through every court possible and demand the drug was removed from sale. But that is a moot point as they could not have got hold of it anyway.
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You need links for some of this information. All Dr.'s office generally have samples on hand, given to them by pharmacutical reps. In the U.S. this is big business. Please provide a link that confirms this practice is not allowed in England.

The McCanns are just like everybody else - they can go to a drugstore and purchase over the counter medication. Please provide a link confirming the McCanns do not purchase over the counter medicines.

Also, if you have inside information on this case, WS asks that you become a verified member or refrain from posting the inside information. You can find information on becoming verified here: Rules Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks so much,

Salem
 
sorry

This is a link britskate posted above that confirms that calpol night was only on the market in the UK from september 2007
http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/news/737476/

this is a link confirming calpol night was only licensed in the UK from January 2007

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/l-unit1/documents/websiteresources/con014179.pdf

Now as for the supply of premarket drugs (http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/pl-a/documents/publication/con2022589.pdf), and http://www.pmcpa.org.uk/thecode/interactivecode/Pages/clause17.aspx

this can be done it turns out, but only in exceptional circumstances, with written requests, but only to people who can prescribe rather than just supply medication. calpol night was an over the counter drug so is not the type of medication that would be trialed by a GP, but pharmacies would not meet the requiements for receiving it premarket as they cannot prescribe drugs in the UK. Also kate was nto a partner in the practice i.e she did not own or manage it, she was only a part time locum so would have had no influence on what drugs they bought anyway. From what I can gather the UK is stricter than the US - very few drugs can be advertised for instance, only over the counter ones (although sying that i do not think they have to put the negative side effects in the adverts liek I have sene in US adverts)

However. the strict rules do mean that if Kate had somehow managed to write and convince the company she met the requirements then it would be on record and obtainable from the surgery she worked at via a freedom of information request. It also means that if she did obtain it legally, the company and other partners have kept quiet about it and are part of the cover-up. It also begs the question why if they got hold of it legally woudl they cover up their child's death. If that happened to me I woudl be holding the company and those that licensed it to account, would not anyone? If she had been given calpol night then as it was meant to be used at night her parents shoudl not have had to worry they woudl be in trouble for giving it to her, and even if they were worried about that why not just say she got hold of it and drank it herself 9I loved normal calpol as a child), rather than dumping her body?

The other option is that she got hold of it illegally, but then that brings in a whole other group of people involved in a cover-up. However, to be fair it does mean ther eis a whole other possible motive - the obtaining of a drug illegally. But in my opinion this is unlikely, who woudl want to go to the toruble or illegally obtaining calpol night four months before it was on the shelves? It seems a bit far fetched.

The other option is they never used it.

I did not mean to say the mccanns never used over the counter medications, just that as this drug was not available for sale until september 2007 they would not have been able to buy it over the counter until then.

Does anyone have any evidence that they did use this drug before september 2007?
 
brit1981 said:
Her grandfather never said she used calpol for sleep problems (it is not a sedative), the grandparents said the only medication they could think of the children being given was calpol (commonly used in the UK) and that they were never given sedatives. But why would they take medication with them. They were not in the back of beyond, so if they needed it they could just go a chemists and buy something.
Maybe it is a cultural thing, many people in the UK, like myself, are used to travelling between EU countries, so would not rush about stocking up on medications for a week long holiday in Portugal. I did have some friends who come over from the US, and for them going abroad was a really big deal and they spend about half a year planning it, and were stocking up on things because they did not know whether you could get them here. Obviously I do not know if that is a general thing for Americans, but I know that for many people in the UK, they would just rely on buying things whilst on holiday.
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^^^In view of this, the relevant question is, was Calpol Night available in Portugal on May 3, 2007?

:waitasec:
 
it should be easy to find out, Portugal has an equivilent of the american FDA. But it has been claimed thta the mccanns used calpol as a sedative, yet there is no evidence that they have ever managed to get hold of calpol night (calpol is not sedative)-not one shopkeep in PDl reported them buying it for instance.
 
They were frequent flyers, with small children.

They may well have made a practice of purchasing it at the airport pharmacy of wherever they flew, knowing from experience it would mean peace and quiet for the holiday ahead.

Their children behaved "like clockwork" on holiday, consistently sleeping at obligingly regular times...they were the envy of the others.

Perhaps they had a little help.
 
I think the Portugues ehave a version of the freedom of information act so you coudl try emailing the Portuguese version of the FDA and aksing about whethe rit wa son the market.
i do nto get the calpol obsession, surely if they wanted to sedate their children they woudl use something you coudl buy in the UK. But I have never seen anything to back up claims they sedated their children with anything.
 
I don't think I'll bother because I'm going to assume it's something the McCanns did routinely. I believe they found 3 small children to be vexing and felt justified in doing so.

I am as sure as I can be that they dosed their children as often as they could, as much as they could, and unfortunately miscalculated once with tragic consequences.

Kate was a failed anesthetist after all.

She probably forgot more than she learnt.

:maddening:
 
SapphireSteel said:
I don't think I'll bother because I'm going to assume it's something the McCanns did routinely. I believe they found 3 small children to be vexing and felt justified in doing so.

I am as sure as I can be that they dosed their children as often as they could, as much as they could, and unfortunately miscalculated once with tragic consequences.

Kate was a failed anesthetist after all.

She probably forgot more than she learnt.

:maddening:
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What are you basing the assumption on, any actually solid evidence?

Kate was nto a failed anesthetist. She had done a rotation on anesthiology as well as obs and gyn, and psych. wards. This is normal for newly qualified doctors in the UK. people spend a couple of years doing rotations on the different specialities before focusing on one.
 
Well, it does help if you wanna go out every night without your kids.

I may have missed something but why are we focused on Calpol Night? Is it the only substance available in the EU at any time that has sedative properties?
 
Because people have been stating it as fact that they used calpol to sedate their children, and then it was pointed out that calpol wa snto sedtaive so people switched to the possibility they used calpol night. The fact is not one shre dof evidence has come to light that the mccanns ever sedated their children. Witnesses say they checke don the children throughout the evenings, which would seem a bit odd if they knew they would stay asleep through sedation.
The sedation theory still doe snot explain why the mccanns woudl choose to dump the body of their first born )and where and how) and campaign to have th einvestigation reopened after no evidence was found against them, when they could quite easily have just said the child died from a reaction to medication, or if it was an adult medication claimed she must have got hold of it and drank it herself. It is not actually illegal to give a child medication, and any excessive amount woudl easily be explained by her getting hold of it herself.
 
Well, I think you'd kinda have to check on your kids for show. If there are witnesses who know that you left them alone for an extended period of time and never even pretended to check someone would be likely to call the social services and report you

There are reasons you might want to cover the death up, say, if you don't have a prescription and shouldn't have the stuff in your possession, if it is not exactly legal to dose children with the medicine and people might start to wonder why all three kids have it in their system if only one got hold onto it accidentally, if there are bruises on the body that you don't want to have to explain... It's not exactly a good career move to say that you don't store medicines responsibly either (although I'm not sure if it's any better to admit you don't store your kids responsibly).
 
I don't get why people are making an issue out of Calpol or Calpol night. They're both made for children, after all, there wouldn't be any scandal if they had given either to Madeliene. Calpol's not chloroform, it would be pretty hard to give a fatal overdose to a child even if you have no medical training.

Plus, there's no evidence that they used it anyway, so this is all pure speculation.
 
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