I too, believe this to be exactly what happened. It makes me sick to my stomach to think, and even worse to put it to paper, but the remains of this beautiful family have been disposed of here at the farm. The reason for the lights on in the greenhouse all night/coupled with two days of barrel burning was reported as 'unusual' from the neighbour to the Garland farm. Garland has the superior intelligence, chemical knowledge, and the evil mind to actually get rid of the bodies of these victims that were murdered by his hands. My deepest condolences to this Family, and to all that have to try and carry on, and cope with why/what happened to these precious souls.
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I too, believe this to be exactly what happened. It makes me sick to my stomach to think, and even worse to put it to paper, but the remains of this beautiful family have been disposed of here at the farm. The reason for the lights on in the greenhouse all night/coupled with two days of barrel burning was reported as 'unusual' from the neighbour to the Garland farm. Garland has the superior intelligence, chemical knowledge, and the evil mind to actually get rid of the bodies of these victims that were murdered by his hands. My deepest condolences to this Family, and to all that have to try and carry on, and cope with why/what happened to these precious souls.
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Hi all,
This is my first post here... I read about this community in the Calgary Herald and I decided to join. I want to say I am so impressed by the level of intellect and respect shown by everyone who post's here... I am thankful for all the amazing and concise information available on these threads.
I lives about 1/2 hr from the DG farm so when I first heard about the search I viewed the area in the "Map" application of my iPhone. Once I located what I thought to be the property (turns out I was 100% correct) and noticed well defined tire tracks leading from the DG farm, through the front field and directly into the property immediately South of the DG farm. IMO these well defined marks indicate that, at the time the satellite footage was taken for the iPhone map application(likely no more than 2-3yrs old), someone was regularly driving from the area with the shops, through the front field and into the "junkyard like" area of the property neighbouring to the south.
I called this tip directly to the Calgary Police about 5-6 days ago as I was concerned they would leave the farm but not check neighbouring areas.... Then they said they would be there indefinitely so that felt better.
This could be nothing... Just a funny satellite image on a weird plough day, for example..Or DG is regularly driving thru the neighbouring property to avoid being seen coming and going from his own property(it appears trees could obstruct the view of the "pathway" to either properties actual house..... Also the area in the South neighbours property that the tracks stop at appears to be a junkyard of cars.
What if DG was regularly entering onto/disposing of weird criminal items ect on neighbouring property (unbeknownst to the neighbours themselves or his own family) for a number of years?!?
Also the media articles it states that he was nearby when he was rear rested late Sunday night so maybe he tried to enter the neighbours property to retrieve evidence.
There were other tracks throughout both front and back fields on the DG property that appeared to be less defined and formed many random loops in the fields. I have no experience with a rural farming operating so I may be making mountains out if molehills... Possibally someone on here would have a very reasonable explanation for all of these
1. Photo if tracks:
2. Photo if property: (You can see DG property in the centre)
3. Photo of funny loops in back field:
I hope I haven't offended anyone or broken any rules... You guys rock on here
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This is my first post here... I read about this community in the Calgary Herald and I decided to join. I want to say I am so impressed by the level of intellect and respect shown by everyone who post's here... I am thankful for all the amazing and concise information available on these threads.
I lives about 1/2 hr from the DG farm so when I first heard about the search I viewed the area in the "Map" application of my iPhone. Once I located what I thought to be the property (turns out I was 100% correct) and noticed well defined tire tracks leading from the DG farm, through the front field and directly into the property immediately South of the DG farm. IMO these well defined marks indicate that, at the time the satellite footage was taken for the iPhone map application(likely no more than 2-3yrs old), someone was regularly driving from the area with the shops, through the front field and into the "junkyard like" area of the property neighbouring to the south.
I called this tip directly to the Calgary Police about 5-6 days ago as I was concerned they would leave the farm but not check neighbouring areas.... Then they said they would be there indefinitely so that felt better.
This could be nothing... Just a funny satellite image on a weird plough day, for example..Or DG is regularly driving thru the neighbouring property to avoid being seen coming and going from his own property(it appears trees could obstruct the view of the "pathway" to either properties actual house..... Also the area in the South neighbours property that the tracks stop at appears to be a junkyard of cars.
What if DG was regularly entering onto/disposing of weird criminal items ect on neighbouring property (unbeknownst to the neighbours themselves or his own family) for a number of years?!?
Also the media articles it states that he was nearby when he was rear rested late Sunday night so maybe he tried to enter the neighbours property to retrieve evidence.
There were other tracks throughout both front and back fields on the DG property that appeared to be less defined and formed many random loops in the fields. I have no experience with a rural farming operating so I may be making mountains out if molehills... Possibally someone on here would have a very reasonable explanation for all of these
1. Photo if tracks:
2. Photo if property: (You can see DG property in the centre)
3. Photo of funny loops in back field:
I hope I haven't offended anyone or broken any rules... You guys rock on here
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I so strongly feel that Ghost Reservoir should be looked at that I might call the cops. DG and I are about the same age and it is a common local story of a plane that went into Ghost never to be recovered. DG would know that story. Ghost is less than an hour from his property.
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How much are we allowed to speculate, such as motive? I still can't shake the question of who met whom first. Did DG apply for a job with a junior firm that AL owned? or, did AL/son meet PG who then intro'd AL to DG?
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Hi all,
This is my first post here... I read about this community in the Calgary Herald and I decided to join. I want to say I am so impressed by the level of intellect and respect shown by everyone who post's here... I am thankful for all the amazing and concise information available on these threads.
I lives about 1/2 hr from the DG farm so when I first heard about the search I viewed the area in the "Map" application of my iPhone. Once I located what I thought to be the property (turns out I was 100% correct) and noticed well defined tire tracks leading from the DG farm, through the front field and directly into the property immediately South of the DG farm. IMO these well defined marks indicate that, at the time the satellite footage was taken for the iPhone map application(likely no more than 2-3yrs old), someone was regularly driving from the area with the shops, through the front field and into the "junkyard like" area of the property neighbouring to the south.
I called this tip directly to the Calgary Police about 5-6 days ago as I was concerned they would leave the farm but not check neighbouring areas.... Then they said they would be there indefinitely so that felt better.
This could be nothing... Just a funny satellite image on a weird plough day, for example..Or DG is regularly driving thru the neighbouring property to avoid being seen coming and going from his own property(it appears trees could obstruct the view of the "pathway" to either properties actual house..... Also the area in the South neighbours property that the tracks stop at appears to be a junkyard of cars.
What if DG was regularly entering onto/disposing of weird criminal items ect on neighbouring property (unbeknownst to the neighbours themselves or his own family) for a number of years?!?
Also the media articles it states that he was nearby when he was rear rested late Sunday night so maybe he tried to enter the neighbours property to retrieve evidence.
There were other tracks throughout both front and back fields on the DG property that appeared to be less defined and formed many random loops in the fields. I have no experience with a rural farming operating so I may be making mountains out if molehills... Possibally someone on here would have a very reasonable explanation for all of these
1. Photo if tracks:
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2. Photo if property: (You can see DG property in the centre)
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3. Photo of funny loops in back field:
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I hope I haven't offended anyone or broken any rules... You guys rock on here
Great first post & :welcome: to Websleuths!
As to your questions...yes..most farms have numerous 'paths' to and from certain well travelled areas....usually to the burning barrel...a water source....scrap heap for old machinery...*in fact if you look at a lot of overheads from western Canada you can see some very interesting patterns in fields! Kinda cool actually..*
Lots of loops & tracks in fields are usually just from plows...combines etc turning at the ends of the fields...
It is interesting there is the trail to the neighbours...maybe they share equipment?..that would be my guess JMOO .
Just on a sidenote...when my kids were learning to drive they had some well worn paths out in the fields too...got themselves in trouble quite often for 'ripping' up a little too much
Anyways....good catch on the trail to the neighbours & the observations! 
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Water level lowered at Ghost Reservoir to mitigate potential spring flooding
Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/water-lev...ntial-spring-flooding-1.1853292#ixzz37fBdlU75
This was dated June 4, 2014 and was to be re-evaluated on July 30th.
RE: stan laurel's post
Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/water-lev...ntial-spring-flooding-1.1853292#ixzz37fBdlU75
This was dated June 4, 2014 and was to be re-evaluated on July 30th.
RE: stan laurel's post
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Maybe double check, though. Wouldn't be cool to link to an innocent person's patent.
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even if they lower it 20 feet, the deep part is still dark and deep, then there are the turbines for hydro generation.
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You could be onto something, and it's only an hour from Calgary.
Hello all. Long-time lurker; first-time poster.
First, condolences to all affected. Second, respect to all WSers.
And with respect, I say that it is highly unlikely that DG could cover his tracks with burning the bodies. At crematoriums the temperatures are in excess of 1100 degrees celsius and bone is not fully decomposed. No way he could make a fire that hot and hotter out in the open. I imagine LE has taken samples of the fire residue for analysis. Also, I don't think LE would be asking people to keep their eyes open if they believed/had evidence to suggest that DG tried to burn the bodies. Even if he did, and then spread the ashes around, it seems from this article http://www.officer.com/article/10250502/burning-evidence that LE can and do find evidence of burned remains.
The only reason I hesitate to think he put the bodies in a reservoir or other body of water, is that DG has intimate knowledge of chemicals.
If he's as brilliant and pre-meditated as they say, I think it's far more likely that used chemicals to "dissolve" his problems (sorry to even type this but JMO).
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From the DG farm it's a very quick drive even going the speed limit (80km's/50miles) and it's common to see a canoe or boat going out in the wee hours, or in the day. does he have a boat? he does hunt and fish, so this is likely. bodies and/or their parts rot very slowly in very cold water. from the bridge he could have just dumped fragments and they would have not just sunk but moved in the slow flow of the ghost river delta.
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I agree. If he was burning anything it would have been bed covers or clothing, etc.
About what may have transpired at the L's house: I'm doubtful that DG went to AL's house to argue about some old dispute; it's also unlikely for a casual visit to be after 10pm.
So I now think the following would be a likely scenario:
A few days prior to the garage sale, DG may have contacted the L's to say he’s interested in a certain piece of furniture which either they had listed on Kijiji in the beginning or he knew about, and asked them to keep it for him to be picked up on Sunday night. (Either the L’s usually stayed late, or DG made up an excuse that he couldn't be there before, say, midnight.)
Such a prior contact, if existed, may be verifiable by phone or email record.
So Sunday night DG drove the green pickup truck to the L's house late at night when he believed any other family members should have left. (A pickup truck seems to be just right for carrying furniture.)
Upon arrival, DG asked for AL’s help to carry the furniture with him to his truck--AL should have no reason to refuse--while KL stayed in the house. Nathan may be in the house or could be outside watching them or even helping in small ways (recall he enthusiastically helped his grandma during the sale).
While loading the furniture onto the truck, DG somehow got AL on the truck. Upon completion of the loading, DG killed AL (or rendered him unconscious) in some silent way. He then went back to the house and killed KL after a violent struggle. KL must not have been aware of what went wrong outside in time to make any phone call.
DG may have killed Nathan near or on the truck immediately after killing/subduing AL, or may have taken him alive in the truck with gagged mouth, or knocked him unconscious, and killed him later, on the truck or upon returning to his farm (scary thinking). After all, a 5 year old would not be any physical threat as long as his mouth was gagged. Small chance could be he meant to knock Nathan unconscious only before going back to the house for KL, but used too much force causing him to die.
The above scenario would explain why DG drove a pickup truck, and why the Amber Alert said “Nathan may be in the company of his grandfather”, if that's based on only KL’s blood being discovered in the house.
So I now think the following would be a likely scenario:
A few days prior to the garage sale, DG may have contacted the L's to say he’s interested in a certain piece of furniture which either they had listed on Kijiji in the beginning or he knew about, and asked them to keep it for him to be picked up on Sunday night. (Either the L’s usually stayed late, or DG made up an excuse that he couldn't be there before, say, midnight.)
Such a prior contact, if existed, may be verifiable by phone or email record.
So Sunday night DG drove the green pickup truck to the L's house late at night when he believed any other family members should have left. (A pickup truck seems to be just right for carrying furniture.)
Upon arrival, DG asked for AL’s help to carry the furniture with him to his truck--AL should have no reason to refuse--while KL stayed in the house. Nathan may be in the house or could be outside watching them or even helping in small ways (recall he enthusiastically helped his grandma during the sale).
While loading the furniture onto the truck, DG somehow got AL on the truck. Upon completion of the loading, DG killed AL (or rendered him unconscious) in some silent way. He then went back to the house and killed KL after a violent struggle. KL must not have been aware of what went wrong outside in time to make any phone call.
DG may have killed Nathan near or on the truck immediately after killing/subduing AL, or may have taken him alive in the truck with gagged mouth, or knocked him unconscious, and killed him later, on the truck or upon returning to his farm (scary thinking). After all, a 5 year old would not be any physical threat as long as his mouth was gagged. Small chance could be he meant to knock Nathan unconscious only before going back to the house for KL, but used too much force causing him to die.
The above scenario would explain why DG drove a pickup truck, and why the Amber Alert said “Nathan may be in the company of his grandfather”, if that's based on only KL’s blood being discovered in the house.
I know I'm out of order here, and not to be too obsessed with getting rid of the bodies...
It seems highly unlikely that he could dissolve the bodies away. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/12/soluble_dilemma.html gives a good idea of what would really be required to dissolve away all traces of a body.
It seems highly unlikely that he could dissolve the bodies away. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/12/soluble_dilemma.html gives a good idea of what would really be required to dissolve away all traces of a body.
Nope. I had in mind (and so hate to think about)the grisly possibility that the killer had destroyed the bodies (dissolved, burned... so hate to write these down) so the remains became totally unrecognizable form, so much that no suspicion could be aroused if he were to dump some "materials" somewhere in the open.
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