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Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9
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Oh boy ...there's my messy post *L* I edited Otto...I'm sorry...I'm tired and I found a much simpler *duh me* way to change the date....I really should have looked further.....
About the moon....I'm going there now to check....
Okay.....Calgary...moon stages ..... http://www.almanac.com/moon/calendar/AB/Calgary/2014-06
This site is good being almanac ...but they seem to like their ads *rolls eyes* ....but good otherwise....
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Transcript: Crown prosecutor speaks on Nathan O'Brien case
This is not an official transcript and is not connected to any of the parties involved.
This is a rough draft, and all the errors are my own.
Shane Parker (SP) speaks about the case against Douglas Garland.
Please note, the Mr. Ross referred to in this transcript is Kim Ross, who is DG's lawyer. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...r_charges.html)
Shane G. Parker is a Crown Prosecutor. He was called to the bar in NS in 2001, in AB in 2006. He became Queen's Counsel in AG in 2013. He serves in the Special Prosecutions branch of the Dept. of Justice and Solicitor General. http://www.canadianlawlist.com/listi...parker-600465/
SP: The first arraignment is where the accused gets to hear his charges. Mr. Ross waived those charges for today. We're still in Provincial Court so obviously nothing of any substance is gonna happen in there.
We're waiting for disclosure from the Calgary Police Service. It normally takes about thirty days in a major crime for them to be able to get it together. It's a little more challenging in the case because of the speed of the investigation, and, really, how it's been transitioning through the course of the two weeks with co-ordinating both a homicide investigation and a missing person investigation. And, really, we've taken what would normally be a very large-scale investigation and tried to condense it down to a two week period.
So, as a result, disclosure is usually one of those things that gets put off on the back burner. The police have been doing a very good job in this case in trying to keep up with it, but I know they're gonna need some more time.
That being said, and, speaking with the investigators yesterday, the day before, they feel that they're confident that they can get a significant amount of disclosure, but not all of it, out for the next two, two and a half weeks. The crown then still has to look at it to make sure that we--we assess it to make sure everything that goes with it or is appropriate and then it will go to Mr. Ross.
So, while we have August 14th as the next day for him to start to schedule things. The next thing will also be a preliminary inquiry to be scheduled. That may or may not be occurring on the 14th. We may still need another further delay on that day, but I would think the 14th is a reasonable day for us to try and at least know where we are in the process.
Reporter: How difficult would it be to go ahead to trial without the bodies?
SP: We've done it before, and we'll, we'll do it again. It's obviously more challenging because bodies provide a whole lot of evidence for a jury. They provide a whole lot of evidence from a forensic standpoint normally for the police, and, without that, it's--we're missing a few bullets. But, that being said, I've been the advisory of the Crown on this file since the beginning. I'm familiar with the evidence. And, I'm confident that we can make all the elements of the offence beyond a reasonable doubt.
Reporter: What makes you hopeful that you will be able to handle this without the bodies?
SP: I think the nature of the evidence--and, obviously today I'm not going to be going into any of the specifics about evidence, the specifics of it, but there are a number of circumstances that we've used in past cases which, I think, apply to this one as well.
And, we still have time. We're still hopeful that the police are gonna continue on with their searches. I think the Chief of Police has already given that commitment. The investigators are certainly working tirelessly to try and continue the investigation--not only in finding bodies, but other sources of evidence as well.
So that we're uh, this is not an investigation that's over and done with by the charges being laid. Its continuing on, and we're hoping to continue to gather more evidence.
Reporter: Can you tell us in general about those circumstances you used in the past and just what you look for?
SP: Sure. The circumstances we typically look for are banking activity or non-banking activity, lack of contact with people, we look at the crime scene itself. In this case, we've also looked at the fact that there's been no ransom notes provided. So we're looking at factors generally like that. We've looked at in cases that are before the courts now, and also that I've dealt with in the past.
Reporter: Shane I don't know if you can answer this or not, but is the primary crime scene the home from where they went missing?
SP: You know, I think there's been two primary search sites and for now those have been the focus of it. But, you know, I know Mr. Liknes was in talking to you earlier about the co-operation of the Calgary police or the citizens of Calgary, and it really has been outstanding. So, we've gotten evidence from other sources than just those two locations.
And it really is because of the good folks, the good citizens of Calgary doing their civic duty and picking up the phone and calling the police and helping out. So I would encourarge people to continue to do that because we're getting evidence from a number of different sources. And that's really encouraging from a community standpoint.
Transcript: Crown prosecutor speaks on Nathan O'Brien case
This is not an official transcript and is not connected to any of the parties involved.
This is a rough draft, and all the errors are my own.
Shane Parker (SP) speaks about the case against Douglas Garland.
Please note, the Mr. Ross referred to in this transcript is Kim Ross, who is DG's lawyer. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...r_charges.html)
Shane G. Parker is a Crown Prosecutor. He was called to the bar in NS in 2001, in AB in 2006. He became Queen's Counsel in AG in 2013. He serves in the Special Prosecutions branch of the Dept. of Justice and Solicitor General. http://www.canadianlawlist.com/listi...parker-600465/
SP: The first arraignment is where the accused gets to hear his charges. Mr. Ross waived those charges for today. We're still in Provincial Court so obviously nothing of any substance is gonna happen in there.
We're waiting for disclosure from the Calgary Police Service. It normally takes about thirty days in a major crime for them to be able to get it together. It's a little more challenging in the case because of the speed of the investigation, and, really, how it's been transitioning through the course of the two weeks with co-ordinating both a homicide investigation and a missing person investigation. And, really, we've taken what would normally be a very large-scale investigation and tried to condense it down to a two week period.
So, as a result, disclosure is usually one of those things that gets put off on the back burner. The police have been doing a very good job in this case in trying to keep up with it, but I know they're gonna need some more time.
That being said, and, speaking with the investigators yesterday, the day before, they feel that they're confident that they can get a significant amount of disclosure, but not all of it, out for the next two, two and a half weeks. The crown then still has to look at it to make sure that we--we assess it to make sure everything that goes with it or is appropriate and then it will go to Mr. Ross.
So, while we have August 14th as the next day for him to start to schedule things. The next thing will also be a preliminary inquiry to be scheduled. That may or may not be occurring on the 14th. We may still need another further delay on that day, but I would think the 14th is a reasonable day for us to try and at least know where we are in the process.
Reporter: How difficult would it be to go ahead to trial without the bodies?
SP: We've done it before, and we'll, we'll do it again. It's obviously more challenging because bodies provide a whole lot of evidence for a jury. They provide a whole lot of evidence from a forensic standpoint normally for the police, and, without that, it's--we're missing a few bullets. But, that being said, I've been the advisory of the Crown on this file since the beginning. I'm familiar with the evidence. And, I'm confident that we can make all the elements of the offence beyond a reasonable doubt.
Reporter: What makes you hopeful that you will be able to handle this without the bodies?
SP: I think the nature of the evidence--and, obviously today I'm not going to be going into any of the specifics about evidence, the specifics of it, but there are a number of circumstances that we've used in past cases which, I think, apply to this one as well.
And, we still have time. We're still hopeful that the police are gonna continue on with their searches. I think the Chief of Police has already given that commitment. The investigators are certainly working tirelessly to try and continue the investigation--not only in finding bodies, but other sources of evidence as well.
So that we're uh, this is not an investigation that's over and done with by the charges being laid. Its continuing on, and we're hoping to continue to gather more evidence.
Reporter: Can you tell us in general about those circumstances you used in the past and just what you look for?
SP: Sure. The circumstances we typically look for are banking activity or non-banking activity, lack of contact with people, we look at the crime scene itself. In this case, we've also looked at the fact that there's been no ransom notes provided. So we're looking at factors generally like that. We've looked at in cases that are before the courts now, and also that I've dealt with in the past.
Reporter: Shane I don't know if you can answer this or not, but is the primary crime scene the home from where they went missing?
SP: You know, I think there's been two primary search sites and for now those have been the focus of it. But, you know, I know Mr. Liknes was in talking to you earlier about the co-operation of the Calgary police or the citizens of Calgary, and it really has been outstanding. So, we've gotten evidence from other sources than just those two locations.
And it really is because of the good folks, the good citizens of Calgary doing their civic duty and picking up the phone and calling the police and helping out. So I would encourarge people to continue to do that because we're getting evidence from a number of different sources. And that's really encouraging from a community standpoint.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ay-no-public-help-needed-for-search-1.2708571
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Calgary/ID/2474186281/
Transcript of Allen Liknes speaking to media after court.
This is not an official draft, and is not connected to any of the participants.
This is a rough draft, and alll errors are my own.
Allen Liknes = AL
(Mr. Liknes is a son of Alvin Liknes. He is in a relationship with Douglas Garland's sister.)
AL: We want to thank the city of Calgary, the Province of Alberta for all the vigils, all the support. The family has taken a lot of strength from it. And thank you for the search parties. And thanks.
Reporter: How are you guys holding up? I think that's what we want to know.
AL: It's, it's tough. That's all I can say.
Reporter: Does all the balloons and all the cards...
AL: Yes, It helps. And it's incredibly sad but it's, it helps, their support.
Reporter: Do you need some help with searches, do you want to continue searching?
AL: There's some search parties as far as I know in Airdrie, and it's really thankful to get out there, it's five days and…
Reporter, Mr. Liknes, how is your common law partner doing now?
AL: Not good. OK, thanks guys.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Calgary/ID/2474186281/
Transcript of Allen Liknes speaking to media after court.
This is not an official draft, and is not connected to any of the participants.
This is a rough draft, and alll errors are my own.
Allen Liknes = AL
(Mr. Liknes is a son of Alvin Liknes. He is in a relationship with Douglas Garland's sister.)
AL: We want to thank the city of Calgary, the Province of Alberta for all the vigils, all the support. The family has taken a lot of strength from it. And thank you for the search parties. And thanks.
Reporter: How are you guys holding up? I think that's what we want to know.
AL: It's, it's tough. That's all I can say.
Reporter: Does all the balloons and all the cards...
AL: Yes, It helps. And it's incredibly sad but it's, it helps, their support.
Reporter: Do you need some help with searches, do you want to continue searching?
AL: There's some search parties as far as I know in Airdrie, and it's really thankful to get out there, it's five days and…
Reporter, Mr. Liknes, how is your common law partner doing now?
AL: Not good. OK, thanks guys.
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It's not just you. I keep feeling he is still out there somewhere and I fear DG was trying to get back to him at 1.30 am, compromising his bail conditions...getting re arrested. I am likely wrong as usual but my heart rules on this one. X
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Always delighted when I get something right. I said 10 - 15 years in looking at them. So it looks like it's 9 or 10.
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It should have been around a new moon that night, it was slightly overcast at my end of town and clouds throw city light quite brightly. Also due our altitude, we have very long twilight, so dark time would be about one hour after sunset to about half an hour before, so 4 hours realistically with natural dark time. Also, being the day prior to a national holiday, most people would have taken Monday off so most people wouldn't have taken note of late night noise. McCleod Trail is also loud and close'ish so city noise is a part of life in that neighbourhood.
My new theory is DG went to the side door, AL saw him, stepped outside, was bludgeoned, dragged to the front and leaned up against the garage. DG re-entered with the home with KL in bed with NO. DG then merely walked in, killed her with some struggle, then tied up and gagged NO. Took AL's body, then returned for KL and NO or loaded them all and left. My other theory is DG sharing a goodbye-no-hard- feelings drink that is spiked and AL being the bigger frame, stood and fell hitting his head (head wounds produce an incredible amount of blood). I also now think that DG did not take them to the farm.
My new theory is DG went to the side door, AL saw him, stepped outside, was bludgeoned, dragged to the front and leaned up against the garage. DG re-entered with the home with KL in bed with NO. DG then merely walked in, killed her with some struggle, then tied up and gagged NO. Took AL's body, then returned for KL and NO or loaded them all and left. My other theory is DG sharing a goodbye-no-hard- feelings drink that is spiked and AL being the bigger frame, stood and fell hitting his head (head wounds produce an incredible amount of blood). I also now think that DG did not take them to the farm.
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Seriously? I would suggest that DG is not a sexual being. I would guess that he does not get or enjoy intimacy. He's a loner. I very much doubt he is homosexual. Moo
if she is 46 she would have been born in 1968I seem to recall a post where she was stated to have graduated in 1987. Too bad the schools in Airdrie are closed for the summer. Would have been nice to verify it via yearbooks.
If the suspect's sister graduated from high school in 1987, then she was born in 1969 or 1970. That means that Garland was 9 or 10 years old when he was presented with a little sister. Three years later, when he was thirteen, his parents moved to a 40 acre property NE of Airdrie. He became a complete freak ... if he is guilty ... and her husband's family are the victims.
Aren't pick up trucks as common as ball caps in Calgary? I doubt that a pickup truck would draw any attention, especially in the driveway at the end of a three day garage sale.
At night, say midnight or after, when everything was long over, in the quiet of night, on a local street?
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There are so many trucks in cowtown that it boggles the mind when one considers how much gas costs.
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early Monday morning preceeded Canada day so most wouldn't think much of noise, or little noise. also (aside from the houses across the street, and even those infills probably had back bedrooms), it would take some work to be nosy.
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If all was said and done by midnight, it would put DG in Veteran Alberta/Hwy 12 at 3:55.
I am a bit apprehensive to post this as it didn't go well in another thread here recently but, he could have Aspergers syndrome. I am not implying anything by saying that. Just a hunch I had.
We still know very little about DG except for his criminal and education past, he is a loner, he lives with his parents, AFAIK he has never been married, no mention of an ex-girlfriend anywhere.
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I wonder about the relationship between DG and his parents,, I think they were close, which leads me to think that he wouldn't taint their property with those he didn't like. I think they are elsewhere. however, do you think the cops looked up in the trees?
Do you mean that maybe he has hidden evidence in the trees?
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I don't know of you live in Calgary, but I do.
The weather here can be VERY crazy and extreme, with wind, hail, driving rain. Anything that DG could have "hidden" in the trees wouldn't stay there for long!
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