Canada - Robert White for building dungeon in kidnap plot, Pickering, Ont, 2011

[matou]

Hmmm that's really weird. I'm sure I read somewhere that the water was distilled water. Of course, I can't find the info now so just ignore.

 

[Reznor]

I am wondering - would someone videotape waterboarding?

:waitasec:

The VIDEO EQUIPMENT has me in a tizzy.

I don't know what you are talking about. Video equipment? Let me look around the thread. Obviously I haven't read enough.

Video taping confessions of some kind. I can see that happening but let me read some more about the video taping equipment.

 

[~n/t~]

I am wondering - would someone videotape waterboarding?

:waitasec:

The VIDEO EQUIPMENT has me in a tizzy.

Well the video equipment could mean anything from innocent teenagers or adults trying to make a music video, a movie, documentary OR some not so innocent teenagers or adults using video for *advertiser censored* or worst.

In light of the recent mysterious fire in the mysterious house with the mysterious dungeon, I'll have to guess that it wasn't something innocent.

Maybe the people will come forward and contact LE .... :innocent:

 

[~n/t~]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/1...-found-by-police-in-abandoned-pickering-home/


Surely, LE doesn't expect whoever built the dungeon, if built for criminal purposes, to come forward and say, yah that was me and I built it to torture and rape.

WTH are they thinking? Why go public with this before completing the investigation? Sorry, it makes no sense to me.

Bump:innocent:

 

[dotr]

Maybe it was a security camera alerting the perps to intruders...

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/652626--human-trafficker-pleads-guilty

"While in Hamilton, it was Domotor’s job to drive the “workers” to construction job sites where they would be forced to work for little or no pay. He also drove victims to various government agencies, as part of the immigration and welfare scams.

At least four victims lived in his basement, according to the Crown’s statement of facts.

“We were treated like dogs on a short leash,” said Csaba Kalmar, describing a life living in his captor’s basement. He read out a victim impact statement in court, through an interpreter"

 

[dotr]

Could there be a connection?
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/01/08/19216046.html
LONDON, ONT. - "Three fires within 35 minutes that struck two massage parlours and a strip club in London early Sunday could be someone sending a message to the Hells Angels, an organized crime expert says.

"Whether it is a rival biker group or business rivals is hard to evaluate," James Dubro, author of several books on organized crime, said Sunday".

(Sorry to quote myself.)

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2012/01/11/19229446.html
"LONDON, Ont. — A man and a woman were shot early Wednesday, not far from a suspected Hells Angels clubhouse."
SNIP

"The shooting follows four arsons on the weekend that damaged four adult

businesses. Police Chief Brad Duncan confirmed the fires at a strip club, a tattoo shop and two massage parlours were connected and had possible links to outlaw motorcycle gangs. Ontario's biker squad is helping with the investigation.

A massage parlour in nearby St. Thomas was hit by fire Wednesday morning."

 

[chasing.halos]

What in the hello is going on around there? Been following this thread.... seriously creeped out by this dungeon. I feel anxiety about it and I live nowhere near!

 

[~n/t~]

What would the Hell's Angels use the dungeon for? Drugs? Enemy prisoners?

I don't see the connection.

 

[tarabull]

Biker clubhouse demolition a ‘Hell’ of a job
April 19 2010

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For members of the Durham Regional Police Service who observed the demolition, the building stood as a symbol of defiance to authority.

“This really is a symbol of criminal activity and organized crime, basically snubbing their nose at the community and saying ‘we’re here and we’re not going anywhere and you can’t make us go anywhere,’ and now they’re gone,” Durham Regional Police Service Chief Mike Ewles told Oshawa This Week.

http://dcnonl.com/article/id38402

 

[tarabull]

Clarington residents prohibited from turning homes into 'fortresses'
Municipality dictates permitted home security measures
Nov 12, 2011

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The safety measures homeowners can legally use to protect their properties are now spelled out in detail, with a long list of things that aren't allowed. Clarington council passed the fortification bylaw at the request of Durham Regional Police.

While Police Chief Mike Ewles recently told Durham Region council that the Hells Angels has a new clubhouse in Clarington, Inspector Chris Ostler said the bylaw does not target anyone or anything specifically.

Read the long list of restrictions here: http://www.durhamregion.com/feature...prohibited-from-turning-homes-into-fortresses

 

[~n/t~]

ok this spooked me,,,,posted April 2007. Does that look like the house?

http://dougsamu.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/i-dont-see-any-bikers-clear-cutting-trees/

ETA: I realize it's a cartoon but still.

 

[dotr]

Yes that farm house does look similiar, but now after reading this followup to other arsons, I am back to thinking the dungeon is more "hill" than " h-ll" billy related.

"LONDON, Ont. — Street gangs with outside muscle, targeting the Hells Angels, have sparked the outburst of violence that's left five adult businesses in flames and two people shot, police said Wednesday"
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2012/01/12/19235526.html
"Late Wednesday, three of the men police arrested — two from London, one from Brampton, Ont. — appeared in court via video to answer charges related to the shooting.

All three men are black, giving credence to the police theory that biker gangs — which don't usually allow black members — aren't responsible for the recent violence".

 

[dotr]

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2012/01/nightmare-before-christmas-conveniently.html

 

[tarabull]

I wonder the dates of the other fires...if they were after the date of discovering the confinement room....

found this fire on same road in March 2011, called in report of fire at 2am

http://www.durhamregion.com/news/article/985361--arson-blamed-for-pickering-fire

found the other fire on this same road...deemed as suspicious aug 15, 2010

http://www.durhamregion.com/news/article/1112577--flames-and-bulldozers-flatten-pickering-homes

OMG, yet another in the area of an abandoned home june 2010

http://www.durhamregion.com/news/ar...-on-pickering-airport-lands-destroyed-by-fire

....and another April 2009

http://www.durhamregion.com/news/article/1131319--no-cause-yet-on-pickering-farmhouse-fire

Each of those links flipflop provided (thanks btw) have a (zoomable) google map pinpointing the exact location of each fire (down at the very bottom of each news report).

[Keep in mind the confinement room house was on concession road 7 very close to the york-durham townline.]

Also if you google walk the 7th concession eastbound (to the right) from the confinement house, starting from standing here looking at 140: http://g.co/maps/9zfpp >>> it is ~ S U R P R I S I N G ~ the traffic you will encounter. (271 silver, 306 white, 472 red, 476 champagne, 649 silver!!!...)

:eye: :camera:

 

[tarabull]

2 hurt in Pickering house fire
January 19, 2012

snipped...

The house is near to another house that burned down earlier this month. That house was discovered to have a confinement room built in the basement.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/01/19/toronto-pickering-fire.html

[video at link]

 

[flipflop]

2 hurt in Pickering house fire
January 19, 2012

snipped...

The house is near to another house that burned down earlier this month. That house was discovered to have a confinement room built in the basement.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/01/19/toronto-pickering-fire.html

[video at link]

Wow...this whole case is so mysterious!!!! I hope they determine the cause of this fire. Makes me wonder who the 2 people are and what this house had to do with the confinement room house, if anything.

 

[lisser]

I just caught up with this one. It is creepy! I wonder if the room had just recently been completed and hadn't been used yet.

I hope that was the case.

 

[matou]

Do we have a list of fires in the area and their reported dates?
I'm looking to see if there are any fires in the area from mid-october 2011 until the first week of December 2011. So about a month and a half. I'll check too.

 

[tarabull]

Discovery of dungeon sparks memory of spooky London find
January 28, 2012

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It brought to memory a discovery I made when going through archived copies of The London Free Press in the Ivey London Room at the Central Library. I came across a story from November 1910. Two old cells had been discovered in the basement of the home that belonged at the time to a man described variously in some historical accounts as both London’s wealthiest and “least loved” citizen.

http://www.lfpress.com/comment/2012/01/27/19304721.html

 

[matou]

Do we have a list of fires in the area and their reported dates?
I'm looking to see if there are any fires in the area from mid-october 2011 until the first week of December 2011. So about a month and a half. I'll check too.

I didn't find anyfires within that time frame. I'm looking to link a potential firebug from the area.