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sold in Canada under the brand name Sublinox (generic = zolpidem).....
Also zoplicone.
sold in Canada under the brand name Sublinox (generic = zolpidem).....
This happened in Canada, not Hong Kong, and IMO 3% is incredibly rare.
According to Stats Canada:
Over the past ten years, the most common method of suicide in Canada has been hanging (44%), which includes strangulation and suffocation; followed by poisoning (25%) and firearm use (16%).
("Other" is listed as 15%)
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-624-x/2012001/article/chart/11696-02-chart2-eng.htm
Having lived with children who had night terrors and were also sleep walkers, I don't find it so far fetched. My cousin also had a child who was a sleep walker. The man across the street from them (who didn't lock his door at night) woke up at 2:00 am to find this child standing at his bedside staring at him. The child had unlocked her own front door, walked across the street to the house and walked right in. Her parents walked her back home and put her back to bed. She was 4 and had no memory of it. After living it, it doesn't seem so impossible to me.
People who take ambian and similar drugs do very strange things in their sleep. As a nurse, I've seen some bizarre behavior that the patient had no memory of. My friend texted me in her sleep after taking ambien. She had no memory of it and was rather embarrassed.
I think in time we will hear more details. For now, my prayers are with Chris' family and friends.
- position of the body is consistent with someone climbing over the railing facing inward and falling back. We don't know that emergency responders or LE didn't move the body
- fact that he'd gone to bed then awoke to go over the balcony We don't know he went to bed. We also don't know he went over the balcony. These are things we are ASSUMING based on available info.....but still assumptions
- fact that he is in the highest demographic to commit suicide Logic needs to be applied here.....every man in the 40-59 demographic who dies does not commit suicide
- fact that he had admitted suicidal thoughts in the past This is true, but was 30 years ago.....his situation was extremely different and we don't know if he suffered any mental health problems since
- fact that it happened on the last day of a long weekend (highest ranked suicide day) Experts aren't in consensus on this and again logic needs to be applied.....everyone who dies on the last day of a long weekend will not have committed suicide.
- fact that LE is not looking for any witness' THIS IS TRUE and does indicate they have a good idea of what happened
- fact that media is not questioning or reporting circumstances They may be doing due diligence and only reporting FACTS instead of OPINIONS......once more come to light, we may see more in the media
I'm sure there are other indicators as well, but I'm a good enough sleuth to know that statistically the probability of this being anything but a suicide are minuscule.
Also zoplicone.
Again, 3% is a US figure and 51% of suicides there are by gun. In Canada gun deaths are about 16%, so I'll guarantee that other methods a a lot higher. "Other" isn't broken down, so falling could be as much as 10%. And I never said it happened in Hong Kong, I was just pointing out that figures are drastically different based on culture. I thought that was pretty obvious.
zopiclone is actually a different medication.....also used for sleep, but not a "controlled" drug in Canada like zolpidem.
sorry - hard to take my pharmacist hat off![]()
That story is terrifying! I'm so glad things worked out okay.
People can do all kinds of messed up stuff while taking it, like making online purchases, going for walks, driving their cars, etc. It can be a weird medicine, especially when combined with other meds or alcohol.
No problem! I appreciate the information. I sometimes take apo-zoplicone and assumed it was Canadian Ambien, but then someone told me it's Canadian Lunesta.
What's the "controlled" part mean?
Lunesta is eszopiclone (the active stereoisomer of zopiclone.....bascially a more "pure" zopiclone) - zopiclone itself isn't available in the US and Lunesta or eszopiclone isn't available in Canada. But essentially the same thing....
Controlled means there are more rules and regulations surrounding the drug as it is governed by the Controlled Drug and Substances Act of Canada http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-38.8/
Why one drug would be targeted or controlled is more of a legal question than a medical one as both zolpidem and zopiclone are considered non-benzodiazepine hypnotic agents, but normally abuse potential is considered along with other factors.
Sorry I don't have a link, but I heard last night on the news that the autopsy results will not be made public. Strange.
She would know better than any of us. She did say in the article that she didn't think he ever got a full nights sleep. Lack of sleep can burn out anyone's "light".
I think it's unfair that people are speculating suicide at this point when there is NOTHING to state he had taken his life. These types of accusations can only make it harder for a spouse and other loved ones to grieve. All they know is that someone they love and care about is now gone forever.
I mentioned early in this thread that i don't KNOW what happened to him and I will await news.
However, as someone else stated, this is what is done at websleuths, we speculate when things are not clear.
I don't believe anyone here is trying to make it harder for his family . I also doubt they are reading this.
I truly believe people here care about the feelings of others, but websleuths discusses cases like this, all kinds of cases like this
And this is just MO
Sorry I don't have a link, but I heard last night on the news that the autopsy results will not be made public. Strange.
I mentioned early in this thread that i don't KNOW what happened to him and I will await news.
However, as someone else stated, this is what is done at websleuths, we speculate when things are not clear.
I don't believe anyone here is trying to make it harder for his family . I also doubt they are reading this.
I truly believe people here care about the feelings of others, but websleuths discusses cases like this, all kinds of cases like this
And this is just MO