Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

[Sutton]

So why is the guy in the fake taxi picking up paying customers including couples and men (SAS soldiers no less) if he is a serial killer?....

Wouldn't he want to keep the fake taxi on the down low?

Especially considering this:




How do you suppose he knew the weaknesses in the police force and their investigative techniques?

It seems very convenient to pin every single crime from the area on the same guy right before the 20 year anniversary of SS disappearance. Especially when you also have a deadbeat that was walking around the nightclub area offering lifts to women and claiming to be the son of a policeman.

In the articles it's mentioned that a couple got in a fake cab that was a Holden, and the SAS guy got one that was a Ford Falcon. If police thought it was a fake taxi why would they let these articles go to print and alert the guy driving the fake taxis that they were onto him? He would have been reasonably easy to find given he was driving around the Swanbourne area and once sat in a hotel carpark for 3 hours. Plus also drove into the army barracks. You'd think they'd have captured him on video driving into the army barracks right? Given that it occurred on Jan 14 and SAS soldier reported it before the end of January, footage should have existed?

Maybe he wasn't actively picking up customers, but sitting off to the side a bit, only taking on fares when he was approached. The article does indicate he reluctantly gave the SAS soldier a ride.

I think Caporn's quote regarding the killer knowing investigative and taxi regulatory weaknesses was an explanation to the public for not having caught the guy. The perpetrator had studied everything so thoroughly and intensely, how could you blame police?

Also, what weaknesses was he referring to? The killer knew it was easy to impersonate a taxi driver? That's obvious, no studying required. The killer knew he had two or three days before the girls were reported missing and police started looking? Once again, this is obvious. The killer knew police would be hesitant to connect this to other assaults? Obvious, there were few media reports on the assaults, and even less connecting them to each other.

Good point regarding why the police would announce the car makes and alert the perpetrator. I don't know.

Why did the perp drive into the barracks? Maybe he doubted he'd be identified; what would connect him to the crimes? Maybe he figured the soldier wouldn't find the meter absence odd. It does sound as if he tried to not take the fare.

 

[Sutton]

What's the deal with the changing stories? The information on early media reports is different to what is reported later on. I know Macro at one stage were concerned the public were becoming tunnel-visioned on the blond guy and the risk was the public may have overlooked anyone with dark hair. Was it to prevent this happening? Or was it because some of the information was wrong?

Having grown up in the area I can confirm the area was very safe. Of course there was Cooke and the Birnies, but rapes and assaults and violence were rare. So it's surprising for me to see how many rapes and sexual assaults were happening in the early 90s.

There's only so many attack rapists about and they generally commit multiple offences. So there's a good chance all those rapes were committed by maybe 3 or 4 men. But which ones? There's also the Manning St rape in Mosman Park. I wonder if this guy did some of those earlier ones? From memory Police felt he had a connection to the Padbury area (how would they know that unless they have a POI fro the area?).

BBM. Question of the year!

I have not heard of the Manning Street rape. Are you saying the Manning St rapist had a possible connection to Padbury? Or the CSK had a possible connection to Padbury? Or something else entirely?

 

[Sutton]

What about the "Sex Monster?" (GN) Wasn't Weygers his #1 supporter? He was a serial rapist and possibly committed dozens more that he wasn't charged with?

From what I've read GN liked to spend quite a bit of time with his victims, and he seems like a loose nut (very impulsive, crimes are not well thought out). Whereas the CSK was a planner and his crimes were quick (from what we've been told).

It was very hard for me to let go of Weygers as a suspect in this case, bc of conflicting stories and the fact that he has so many ancillary connections. (Recent Karrakatta articles have cleared Weygers.) I came to the conclusion that he is portraying an archetype: he likely was inappropriate with women and felt victimized when he was finally exposed. And now he strongly identifies with other offender 'victims'. As far as Weygers other connections? I guess they are just coincidence...

 

[billywhizz]

Has some pretty good detail that shows what WA police were considering. Looks like the offender or offenders have done a recy mission to both disposal sites prior to abductions and murders. What would be their evidence of that? Given at both disposal sites victims were covered with cut foliage and branches, botanists may have been able to forensically examine and estimate how long the foliage had been cut for?

Tomorrow I will post a nice little aerial shot that might have captured something untoward going on at the Ciara Glennon site just over 12 months before she was abducted. Now that will get your tongues wagging for sure.

It was rumoured that the area she was found in was next to a drug crop/drug plants (I heard the guy who found her was actually checking on plants - this is maybe not correct, and I'm also not trying to insinuate anything).

Could that be the source of strange/untoward activity to do with foliage?

Obviously a possibility that CSK cut the branches/foliage prior to disposing of a victim there... but would they really do it more than one year prior?

This from user hillsguy on another forum: On another note, early police statement: woman saw a man with a white ute 'acting suspiciously' at Ciara Glennon's disposal site, two days before she was found. Supposedly a photofit was done up.

 

[Bartholemeus]

BBM. Question of the year!

I have not heard of the Manning Street rape. Are you saying the Manning St rapist had a possible connection to Padbury? Or the CSK had a possible connection to Padbury? Or something else entirely?

I read something recently about this case and the media said police think the rapist had a link to the povo suburb Padbury (apologies to any Padburians). This guy is probably not linked to CSK but there's an off chance he is linked to some of those earlier Claremont rapes. Western Suburbs of Perth seems like rape capital of Australia.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...of-perth-au-pair/story-fns0kb1g-1227307932640

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/f...man-nanny-in-mosman-park-20150327-1m9a2o.html

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...sman-park-rapist/story-e6frg143-1225926867422

http://www.communitynews.com.au/news/Padbury-link-to-Mosman-Park-rape/7668980

 

[Bartholemeus]

Here's a identikit of the Manning St Rapist:



Here's a pic of a guy called Leon who looks a little bit like him (but lot's of dudes are rocking that bald look)

 

[Sutton]

I read something recently about this case and the media said police think the rapist had a link to the povo suburb Padbury (apologies to any Padburians). This guy is probably not linked to CSK but there's an off chance he is linked to some of those earlier Claremont rapes. Western Suburbs of Perth seems like rape capital of Australia.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...of-perth-au-pair/story-fns0kb1g-1227307932640

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/f...man-nanny-in-mosman-park-20150327-1m9a2o.html

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...sman-park-rapist/story-e6frg143-1225926867422

http://www.communitynews.com.au/news/Padbury-link-to-Mosman-Park-rape/7668980

How accurate are photofits? That looks like a real photo. Wow.

 

[Bartholemeus]

How accurate are photofits? That looks like a real photo. Wow.

Surprisingly accurate. The problem with this one is that looks like 10% of middle aged men.

 

[Parkie]

Here's one article. More to come tomorrow. I am sure you will appreciate this more than another participant on this site that enjoys abusing via PM calling me dumb and difficult and now also dumbo.

Well Now the SCS might wisen up to a euro serial killer but they didn`t some time ago...

 

[billywhizz]

Do you know there was CCTV installed at the army barracks for sure?

Using fake taxi to carry men and women in the general vicinity would have ensured he didn't stand out too much. Fake taxis were pretty 'common' back then.

He knew the weaknesses of police investigative techniques because they never pursued him; that simple. Also possible he had been questioned with no pending charges. No press or media releases issuing warnings.

It was 4 days after Sarah Spiers disappeared before their was a squeak in the media.

Jane was not reported missing until the Sunday evening at approximately 10.30.

Ciara was not reported missing until the Saturday afternoon at approximately 4pm.

I believe this showed the killer that the investigation was being handled by keystone cops; don't forget who was in charge of initial investigations. He had well promoted history by then. Killer would have been back at the scene checking out if there were any concerns; nothing!

How do you know the blonde guy offering lifts and stating his father was a policeman is a deadbeat?

If you do your own research I think you will find that the police didn't release the information to the press, it was the fake taxi passengers that were interviewed directly by the press.

Sat in a hotel carpark for 3 hours; taking notice of what is going on in the general area.

Fake cab Holden vs Ford; he may have had his own personal fleet.

Given that Claremont hotel had CCTV, I'm almost 100% certain that the military base that is the HQ of some of Australia's most elite soldiers would have some form of recording device monitoring who went in and out of the front entrance.

Blonde guy - need I say more? Offering lifts to complete strangers (women) under the pretense that his father is a policeman in an area where two girls have disappeared from over the past year. Obviously not a bright spark.

 

[Parkie]

On another note, early police statement: woman saw a man with a white ute 'acting suspiciously' at Ciara Glennon's disposal site, two days before she was found. Supposedly a photofit was done up.[/I]

Hillsguy may have said this, but are you sure?

 

[Parkie]

This from user hillsguy on another forum: On another note, early police statement: woman saw a man with a white ute 'acting suspiciously' at Ciara Glennon's disposal site, two days before she was found. Supposedly a photofit was done up.

Are you sure Hillsguy said this? There was a ute, but I doubt it was stated it was his.

 

[billywhizz]

Hillsguy may have said this, but are you sure?

i dunno. you`re hillsguy, you tell me.

 

[Parkie]

I did tell the SCS where as to seek via a comment a long time ago. No punt at the SCS listened to me. Now they are back at square one. Bring back Stanbury, He knew more than the other effers IMHO. At Billywhizz; Hillsguy never said that.. So where that (re a ute at CG site) is coming from I do not know.

 

[elastic]

There is a good chance that if there is a break through about to happen and Con Bayens was privileged to such information through fellow colleagues and detectives that he keeps in contact with that may still have links to the CSK case, then it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume he may have wanted to get his POI out there so that he could in fact take credit for identifying the CSK way back in the case prior to the subsequent reviews that reinforced that the Police investigation was now on track, conveniently around the time the POI who happened to hunt in 'highgate' a known hunting ground for another known highly likely 'serial killer, Morey', was identified to Police through another Task force. Conveniently after the highgate POI turns up and gets arrested, the scramm review concludes everything is fine, and the case has been stalled in an investigation that is about to lead to an arrest, conveniently now around the same time Morey is about to be released.

Very coincidental..

Another huge Coincidence is this... WA had possibly 4 SERIAL KILLERS operating at the SAME TIME, if we asssume Morey is not the CSK...
-Donald Morey
-Claremont Serial Killer
-Richard Dorrough
-Francis Wark

Think about how rare it is to have serial killers in some parts of the world, and how rare they usually are in Australia. then think in WA how small the population is, and had up to 4 if not more serial killers operating concurrently.

That is extreme so I would bet our CSK killer is either one of the possible highly likely serial killers operating in WA at the time, or possibly Martial Arts Expert or someone else if we assume Martial Arts Expert is a serial killer, the CSK could be someone else mind, but Martial Arts Expert is a suspect still not ruled out.

Its strange that the next major documentary after the 2008 documentary had all the focus on the Highgate POI. My money is on the same man Bayens suspects, Bayens isn't keystone, he is a good detective, he has more credibility than any of the other major detectives openly talking about the CSK case. Even the original CSK investigator Ferguson has a dark past. Nothing like Caporns though and his disgraceful conduct and career.

All evidence suggests Morey was most likely out during the CSK years, I think he is the most likely POI right now.

Imagine if it turned out to be the Blond guy with a Police dad protected by the corrupt WA Police due to dirt the father had on senior detectives, nothing in WA would surprise me, lets hope that it doesn't turn out to be the case.

 

[papertrail]

It s obvious that WA police did not release this information; Morfesse indicates WA News interviewed the particular Club staff member.

What strikes me is what is Jane's friend Lynda saying on the CIA doc that Jane hated the Club for? Could it be that Jane let her friends go off in the taxi because she wanted her friends to get home safely; restrictions on passenger numbers to 4 passengers and Jane would have made 5. Did Jane venture down to the Club alone or was she in the company of someone she had met outside the Conti. Did MM say to her 'do you want to come down to Club Bayview with me?'

With Jane being witnessed walking along Stirling Highway, I presume that would be east from Bay View Terrace; the direction of her home in Cambridge Street Wembley. What is really frightening is that if she did decide to walk home and if she started that journey along Stirling Highway, it means the witness account could well be correct. If Jane did not venture to the Club, she would simply have walked along Gugeri Street thus not putting her near Stirling Highway. If she did in fact walk along the highway, she would have turned up anyone of the side streets in order to get to the otherside of the railway line. If any of these side streets were before Langsford she would have then walked past Rowe Park. We know the relevance.

 

[papertrail]

So they had CCTV at Club Bayview. Reading this article it seems it may have been only street view.

 

[Bartholemeus]

There's an easy explanation for that article:

"Police investigating the disappearance of Wembley woman Jane Rimmer say she was outside CBV in Claremont shortly before she went missing".

The journos got their information wrong. It's highly likely the article should have read Conti instead of CBV. Keep in mind this was a massive media event from the start and police would have been caught on the hop wondering how serious this case was going to get and what information should they provide to journalists. This would have been pre-Macro and hence before everything was locked down like Paul Roos footy match. Journos would have been scrambling for information over the phone and to get it to copy. Both these journalists would have been mid-20s at the time and reasonably early in their careers.

If you read the rest of the article it is in line with the current know information. I noticed it says "unconfirmed reports she was on Stirling Hwy". If they had been confirm you can bet that would have appeared in the media.

 

[Bartholemeus]

So they had CCTV at Club Bayview. Reading this article it seems it may have been only street view.

That's not what the article says. Let's not read into what we want to read into rather than what is actually there.

 

[papertrail]

This article has sent chills up my spine. Police stated that they had received 13 witness reports from people who had witnessed a woman fitting JR's description walking alone in Claremont. Take note the previous article I posted today was dated 14 June (friday). This article is dated 17 June (monday). It could well be that these witnesses came forward after reading the 14 June article.

WA police put out an appeal for anyone that saw a woman walking between Bay View Terrace and Dalkeith Road between 12.10am and 2am last Sunday. Crikey this is so important given the CIA doc had Jane's last moments outside the Conti at around 12.10am. We have never been told what time Jane's friends left in the taxi have we; it is still possible Jane went to Club Bayview after they left? There's more

What has further spine-chilled me is the location of Dalkeith Road; left from Stirling Highway onto Dalkeith , a short distance it terminates with junction of Karella St which is approx 2.7kms from corner of St Quentin Ave. 1st intersection is Smyth Rd which is the road at the rear of Karrakatta Cemetery where the Karrakatta rape victim was taken. She made it to the Hollywood Hospital located in Monash Ave.

If this was Jane, then this possibly shows the offender was located in this area or hung around the rear section of Karrakatta Cemetery. I hope current WA police detectives are aware of this Dalkeith Road plea and it's importance with regard to the location of the Karrakatta rape location.

Does anyone know what the Hollywood Villages were; they were situated at corner of Smyth, Monash and Karella? QE11 hospital in on Monash so too the Hollywood Repatriation Hospital