Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #22

[Ravenmoon]

Will you all help me think this through?

I know sometimes we tend to develop elaborate ideas about what happened. Like it’s been suggested that maybe TS went out and purposefully bought poison or laced his drinks with eye drops or scouted disposal spots or dug a hole ahead of time. And to be fair, I sometimes think along the same lines. Like I was thinking she may have overdosed him on meds on purpose (still a possibility).

But I have been thinking today that when a female guardian is charged with a criminal act toward a child, in many cases (definitely not all), it is learned she was in an unhealthy place (mentally, emotionally) and more or less reaches a breaking point and does something impulsive to the kids.

As a result, I’ve been considering today whether it’s more likely that Gannon was legitimately sick or accidentally injured in an impulsive breakdown like this. But because of her unhealthy state, or possible resentment toward him, TS simply didn’t believe him that he needed medical attention. Or she feared involving medical staff (mandatory reporters of abuse) would turn bad for her. So maybe she didn’t set out to kill him, but failed to act to help him as his condition was worsening. Maybe she was telling herself he was faking.

But by the time she realized he needed help, her efforts to get meds were too little too late. She hoped the medicine would somehow turn things around and drove him around waiting to see if the meds would kick in. But maybe when they didn’t, he either died or went unconscious and she dumped him. Or she started to panic because she knew there was no scenario where she’d be able to avoid being held responsible for neglect or participation in the injury, so she made an in the moment decision to harm him (like dumping a sick kid off a cliff like someone mentioned).

To me, that is more likely than poison or her beating a child to death with a weapon. But I wanted to ask for your opinions, knowing that whatever we think is most likely, it doesn’t rule out that this case could also be an exception where the most unlikely things prove true.

Honestly, I believe that what has occurred is a result of SM snapping because she was about to lose everything.

Everything.

If she was going to lose all she had "worked" to keep, everyone would pay a price too.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

AMOO JMO

 

[ChuckMaureen]

MOO

... house forensics... LE attempting to establish/determine for pattern of on-going abuse or if just one-off abuse.

LE, no doubt, had access to, oh, let' say, video and/or audio of what (Saturday and/or Sunday eves?) may have occurred and that inspired their persistent forensic visits to the house?

MOO

 

[Picklebot]

How would leaving the phone at home fit into this scenario?

IMO and with the scenario I described I think she left the phone thinking she wouldn't be tracked and Gannon could never be found.

 

[crhedBngr]

Here for Gannon.

 

[FlamingJane]

IMO and with the scenario I described I think she left the phone thinking she wouldn't be tracked and Gannon could never be found.

I am not sure what to think about phones or Apple watches to be honest. Because all we have are her constantly changing words and no real confirmation from LE or another reliable source about where those devices really were.

If we believe her first version, she took the selfie on her own phone in the driveway upon return. If so, she didn’t leave her phone at home. She just later said she did.

If we believe her second version, that the selfie was taken on Gannon’s phone upon return, then that still means A PHONE and possibly an Apple Watch left pings out there to be discovered.

 

[kkdj]

I think human nature contains many dark aspects. Upbringing and culture play huge roles in subduing what for many humans are almost irresistible urges. The list is wrong, and it's not only violence, but deception (also found in other primates), but also huge variation in how strongly social or asocial a human might be, and whether a person is likely to be an addictive type personality. There are huge genetic components in some of that, but upbringing is so important too (the identical twin studies show us that).

I think most researchers believe that narcissism is natural and normal in babies and small children, and it begins to diminish sometime after age 4 (earlier in some kids) for most kids. But not all kids. Some people are going to remain driven by the same narcissistic drives that make 2 year olds throw tantrums (and make them throw things at others in an attempt to harm, as some toddlers are known to do). My mom used to say, "Can you imagine if grown-ups acted like that?" A 2 year old has little sense about what is good for themselves or for others. They are a mess of inchoate drives and simple thoughts, their parents have to help them learn how to be a functioning human. 2 year olds appear to lie al because their brains don't comprehend that other people truly exist and have different thoughts/worldviews than them. They think everyone thinks exactly like they do and they change what they think about something in an instant. 2 year olds are not particularly reliable at narrating events (the opposite).

So, people who are still narcissists at 34 definitely need mental health care. Narcissists have increased in number since the 50's and 60's (see Christopher Lasch's book, the numbers have only gotten worse since he wrote). Lasch blames not only parents but the entire culture into which some parents place their children (unwittingly, following what their own families and everyone else is doing). A mentally healthy person isn't going to become a flaming narcissist simply because of culture, but a narcissist is really going to struggle in US culture, according to Lasch, because we are the world leaders in creating conditions that promote it. In the end, I think all experts agree it's down to early childhood and parenting...

I totally agree with you that LS is either in the throes of a full-blown psychotic episode (with manic features) or she is in a borderline psychotic state (which is more likely as she can pull herself together for interviews). Her narcissism will not let her confess.

I would like to look into her eyes.

 

[krissij]

IMO I think this search feels different to a lot of us because there seems to be a lot of silence with it. I mean this search has been going on for a few hours and this is the first we are hearing from MSM concerning it. I don't know if that is due to other news being top priority or that LE has told MSM to back off. I am not sure if that is a good or bad sign. I just want this sweet boy that has captured my heart found.

I agree. I live in Castle Rock and get the Denver stations but I haven't heard a word about the search and I have been looking everywhere. I drive the route often and truly hope they find something that brings Gannon home.

 

[krowdkat]

Honestly, I believe that what has occurred is a result of SM snapping because she was about to lose everything.

Everything.

If she was going to lose all she had "worked" to keep, everyone would pay a price too.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

AMOO JMO

Great post. Or a narcissist about to be exposed.

 

[JDough]

That is so so true. I remember locking my basement sliding glass door and booking it upstairs to lock the front door, in the middle of a water balloon fight. It took me less than 20 seconds to re-create this after I just read your post. Not impossible in the slightest for both to be her, or her and the dogs.



The selfie hasn’t even been confirmed, other than LS saying it exists. People are just speculating, I think.

I believe, it it does exist, she took it with her own phone, in the driveway, after Gannon entered the truck around 10:15am. She then exists the truck quickly and returns to the house for a moment, then gets back in the truck and leaves. She just seems to think she can outsmart LE and change the time stamps. It won’t work and RD’s footage will just once again prove she’s full of it.

Now the claim it was on Gannon’s phone, since she admits leaving her phone at home, makes her look even worse. She’s just not a very good liar. At all. She’s all tangled up and twisted around, and I cannot wait to watch this proceed to trial.

moo

IF the "selfie" was taken on Gannon's phone, I believe it was taken BEFORE the two of them left the driveway. Then, I believe she sent it from his phone to hers AFTER she returned. Viola- there's her "timestamp". Good thing she's not very smart. LE has already determined this through their forensic investigation of both phones.

The other thing I'd like to mention- if any electronic devices in the vehicle have Bluetooth capabilities (including her smart watch and Gannon's switch device), those devices would have connected to the vehicle's Bluetooth system. (Most rental cars have this capability, since they are generally newer models). LE would be able to determine location of said devices through the electronic monitoring systems. MOO

 

[Momof4RN]

Could they be at the corner of 105 and 85 = Sedalia Landfill

 

[Ravenmoon]

Here’s another question I have.

We all know Gannon got into the truck. Even though some (the neighbor even) suggested he was sluggish, he wasn’t noticeably falling over, bandaged, or visibly bleeding that we could see. (Obviously, I acknowledge his clothes could’ve been concealing injuries though.)

But let’s say when he left he was likely still very functional even if impaired in some unknown way. If we believe he never returned, which most of us do, then that means the murder scene—if there is one—is somewhere off site.

But LE seems to have visited the house many times and has removed evidence there. And TS herself has led us to believe vomit, diarrhea, and blood may be found in or around the house. So that seems to suggest the house could be the crime scene. Do any of you think LE is holding back some info and they know G returned and suspect he was killed at the house and his body was removed? Or do you think the bodily evidence gathered at the house is going to point to ongoing abuse of some kind? Sickness?

Meaning if we think he died and was disposed of off site, how do we reconcile all the evidence gathering and bodily fluids at the house?

Hoping this posts properly , because it looks like it is trying to integrate a past post...

So, The biggest reason that I have for believing that GS was "out of it" (above and beyond a simple illness) is due to the fact that he dropped his "electronic " and made no attempt to retrieve it. If any of my kids dropped a device.. they would grab that sucker FAST ...like their lives depended on it..even my 23 year old daughter would.
There was something QUITE WRONG with his reaction to the dropped item.

As to his possible return.. I just cannot wrap my mind around how the amount of time available would allow SM to carry out anything more. I believe whatever happened did so during the 4 hour excursion.

As to the presplaining about bodily fluids?
BIG RED FLAG.
Anyone that has a home containing children and pets will have ALL of these fluids in their home.
I know that we all take great care to remove remnants of incidences that don't have any nefarious nature connected.. but logically, some of what has occurred will be left behind ( at least I would imagine).
Her working as hard as she has to pre-explain what was going to be found was unnecessary to do if you have kids in your home..
UNLESS you have a guilty conscience OR there is such an excessive amount of something that you know it will come into question.

Once again.. AMOO
Jmo
MOO

 

[Silverheels]

For any locals,

Has the snow melted much in the search areas?

Yes, a lot. The area around today’s staging area has some bare ground. The snow covered areas are maybe a few inches deep. We need the sun to come out today to speed the melt up.

The forecast for Larkspur tomorrow is for snow but for the other side of the Palmer Divide (CS), it’s for rain. Rain will speed up the melting. Hope that happens.

 

[Fireflize]

Agree, that neighborhood is teeming with cameras and I'd think that LE has footage from every single one.

 

[krowdkat]

Could they be at the corner of 105 and 85 = Sedalia Landfill

This is so sad to even think about. A month's worth of trash.

Makes me sick to contemplate.

 

[gingergina]

Will you all help me think this through?

I know sometimes we tend to develop elaborate ideas about what happened. Like it’s been suggested that maybe TS went out and purposefully bought poison or laced his drinks with eye drops or scouted disposal spots or dug a hole ahead of time. And to be fair, I sometimes think along the same lines. Like I was thinking she may have overdosed him on meds on purpose (still a possibility).

But I have been thinking today that when a female guardian is charged with a criminal act toward a child, in many cases (definitely not all), it is learned she was in an unhealthy place (mentally, emotionally) and more or less reaches a breaking point and does something impulsive to the kids.

As a result, I’ve been considering today whether it’s more likely that Gannon was legitimately sick or accidentally injured in an impulsive breakdown like this. But because of her unhealthy state, or possible resentment toward him, TS simply didn’t believe him that he needed medical attention. Or she feared involving medical staff (mandatory reporters of abuse) would turn bad for her. So maybe she didn’t set out to kill him, but failed to act to help him as his condition was worsening. Maybe she was telling herself he was faking.

But by the time she realized he needed help, her efforts to get meds were too little too late. She hoped the medicine would somehow turn things around and drove him around waiting to see if the meds would kick in. But maybe when they didn’t, he either died or went unconscious and she dumped him. Or she started to panic because she knew there was no scenario where she’d be able to avoid being held responsible for neglect or participation in the injury, so she made an in the moment decision to harm him (like dumping a sick kid off a cliff like someone mentioned).

To me, that is more likely than poison or her beating a child to death with a weapon. But I wanted to ask for your opinions, knowing that whatever we think is most likely, it doesn’t rule out that this case could also be an exception where the most unlikely things prove true.

I have typed my response to this three times and erased it. Suffice it to say, I think she hurt him. Physically and especially psychologically. I think it went too far and I don’t think she cared. I still don’t think she cares other than how it reflects on her. My heart breaks for those who truly love GS. I don’t see this ending well.

 

[Silverheels]

Could they be at the corner of 105 and 85 = Sedalia Landfill

I don’t think so. The staging area is at 105 and 83, not 85.

 

[Silverheels]

It would be interesting to know if it was a normal practice to always leave motion detectors on when they were home.

The default for our motion detectors is on. When the alarm isn’t set, they recognize movement but the alarm doesn’t go on. Unless you bypass them, they’ll only set off the alarm when the system is enabled.

 

[SleuthBee]

Will you all help me think this through?

I know sometimes we tend to develop elaborate ideas about what happened. Like it’s been suggested that maybe TS went out and purposefully bought poison or laced his drinks with eye drops or scouted disposal spots or dug a hole ahead of time. And to be fair, I sometimes think along the same lines. Like I was thinking she may have overdosed him on meds on purpose (still a possibility).

But I have been thinking today that when a female guardian is charged with a criminal act toward a child, in many cases (definitely not all), it is learned she was in an unhealthy place (mentally, emotionally) and more or less reaches a breaking point and does something impulsive to the kids.

As a result, I’ve been considering today whether it’s more likely that Gannon was legitimately sick or accidentally injured in an impulsive breakdown like this. But because of her unhealthy state, or possible resentment toward him, TS simply didn’t believe him that he needed medical attention. Or she feared involving medical staff (mandatory reporters of abuse) would turn bad for her. So maybe she didn’t set out to kill him, but failed to act to help him as his condition was worsening. Maybe she was telling herself he was faking.

But by the time she realized he needed help, her efforts to get meds were too little too late. She hoped the medicine would somehow turn things around and drove him around waiting to see if the meds would kick in. But maybe when they didn’t, he either died or went unconscious and she dumped him. Or she started to panic because she knew there was no scenario where she’d be able to avoid being held responsible for neglect or participation in the injury, so she made an in the moment decision to harm him (like dumping a sick kid off a cliff like someone mentioned).

To me, that is more likely than poison or her beating a child to death with a weapon. But I wanted to ask for your opinions, knowing that whatever we think is most likely, it doesn’t rule out that this case could also be an exception where the most unlikely things prove true.

@FlammingJan, Your synopsis is amazing. Because you asked, I offered some thoughts for you to ponder.

I believe TS harbored a deep resentment of LH from way back. Her insatiable need to devalue and inflict pain onto LH consumed her and effected others.

With that said, her reaction to the incident on Sunday evening resulted in an internal injury for GS. I know that our precious organs do not tolerate injury. I am not aware of a specific medication to treat an internal injury, without first an x-ray, ct-scan and/or surgery to repair.

Attending school or examination by a physician would enact mandated reporting, resulting in irreparable damage to TS's marriage and career.

I am interested in your feedback.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am not sure what to think about phones or Apple watches to be honest. Because all we have are her constantly changing words and no real confirmation from LE or another reliable source about where those devices really were.

If we believe her first version, she took the selfie on her own phone in the driveway upon return. If so, she didn’t leave her phone at home. She just later said she did.

If we believe her second version, that the selfie was taken on Gannon’s phone upon return, then that still means A PHONE and possibly an Apple Watch left pings out there to be discovered.

I'm thinking there must be data from a phone or Apple watch or both that LE has used to track her movements that day. Why else would she feel the need to explain where she went and why, especially the part about her having to take the back roads and getting lost?
It's consistent with everything she has done so far in all her statements, attempting to explain or account for the evidence.

 

[SuziQ]

Will you all help me think this through?

I know sometimes we tend to develop elaborate ideas about what happened. Like it’s been suggested that maybe TS went out and purposefully bought poison or laced his drinks with eye drops or scouted disposal spots or dug a hole ahead of time. And to be fair, I sometimes think along the same lines. Like I was thinking she may have overdosed him on meds on purpose (still a possibility).

But I have been thinking today that when a female guardian is charged with a criminal act toward a child, in many cases (definitely not all), it is learned she was in an unhealthy place (mentally, emotionally) and more or less reaches a breaking point and does something impulsive to the kids.

As a result, I’ve been considering today whether it’s more likely that Gannon was legitimately sick or accidentally injured in an impulsive breakdown like this. But because of her unhealthy state, or possible resentment toward him, TS simply didn’t believe him that he needed medical attention. Or she feared involving medical staff (mandatory reporters of abuse) would turn bad for her. So maybe she didn’t set out to kill him, but failed to act to help him as his condition was worsening. Maybe she was telling herself he was faking.

But by the time she realized he needed help, her efforts to get meds were too little too late. She hoped the medicine would somehow turn things around and drove him around waiting to see if the meds would kick in. But maybe when they didn’t, he either died or went unconscious and she dumped him. Or she started to panic because she knew there was no scenario where she’d be able to avoid being held responsible for neglect or participation in the injury, so she made an in the moment decision to harm him (like dumping a sick kid off a cliff like someone mentioned).

To me, that is more likely than poison or her beating a child to death with a weapon. But I wanted to ask for your opinions, knowing that whatever we think is most likely, it doesn’t rule out that this case could also be an exception where the most unlikely things prove true.

In the eyes of the law, the death of a child during the act of child abuse, is felony murder. No matter the method. It only takes a split second to form premeditation. And the second she decided he needed to die is premeditation. Her not seeking medical help and making him suffer, would be considered torture. Torture is a special enhancement that qualifies for the death penalty. IMO, all the alternatives you proposed sound as sinister and awful as any other scenario.

IMO, we can guess all we want as to how and why Gannon died. BTW, a prosecutor doesn't need to prove or show motive either. The bottom line is that she is going down for Felony murder.